50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

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Vidar NM
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50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

After picking up my 50d this morning I've had the chance to fill up a 4gb CF-card (Sandisk Extreme IV) with test samples. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidarnm/sets/72157607436380817/

All pictures are shot with the EF 70-200 f4 L IS, a lens that I frequently used with my old 40d. The 40D is also the reference camera for today's initial 50D test. All the captures are converted from raw. During shooting I used the Neutral Picture Style, no in camera sharpening or NR. Lightroom default capture sharpening + some minor exposure adjustments to some of the images. 100% jpg-develops exported to Flickr (no sharpening on export).

On the bright side: If you are upgrading from the 40D you're likely to be pleased with the added MP and the great LCD (yes, you can do a proper focus check!).

On the not so bright side: Judged by the out of camera raw images, I can't see any improvement with regards to noise at pixel level (at some point I even felt the 50d was slightly more noisy han the 40d). The ISO3200 images are not usable, banding is disappointingly an issue here too. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidarnm/2880491600/in/set-72157607436380817/

Regarding AF there seem to be no improvement. While most captures are perfectly sharp, the camera occasionally returns OOF images for no good reason. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidarnm/2879335661/in/set-72157607436380817/ ; That being said, I did a 15 frames burst (AI Servo) on a boat approaching me at steady speed, and 13 of the frames were tack sharp.

Let me also add that colors and IQ are generally very pleasing, although I'd expected a more "(r)evolutionary" upgrade.

-v

BTW. Average raw file size about 20 mb

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Lone Sailor Senior Member • Posts: 1,769
Re: 50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

I have not had a chance to look at the image but I want to thank you for posting these first owner shots using the 50D. I as well as others appreciate your post.
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tony turnbull Contributing Member • Posts: 552
Re: 50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

I thought 3200 iso looked darn good!

olderbob Senior Member • Posts: 1,051
yes,thank you,

Do see much,any more detail in foliage etc. with the added MP's from the 40D..Thanks for the time and effort,Bob

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Re: 50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

If you keep it at web sizes, it may work. Not for large prints though. Check the 100% (Original file).
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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,878
Looked thru your most interesting set...very impressive...wow ! and

thanks for the tests...sure are a lot of us wishing it was us !
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Oak and Acorn Veteran Member • Posts: 6,124
Fortunately, your ISO 3200 looks to be underexposed

hence the banding.

All your other shots, however, are quite nice. Thanks for sharing them and your thoughts!

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Re: Fortunately, your ISO 3200 looks to be underexposed

Not much underexposed, according to the histogram. However, it's a challenging image, and the banding will hopefully disappear with a little more light through the lens...
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nycandre Regular Member • Posts: 418
Any comment re: micro adjustment ?

Thanks for sharing your early feedback - Am curious to know though..

One of the big plus of the 50D is that it does have the capability to adjust each of our specific lens so its (out of) tolerance is matched to that of your 50D body. So one would expect much sharper pictures (assuming you did run the adjustments on your 50D). Soo. would you care to tell us how your results compare, pre and post asjusted - or just plain comparison between the 40D and the (adjusted) 50D ?

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Ron Parr Forum Pro • Posts: 13,785
Underexposure is irrelevant

Properly exposed images have dark areas too. If you see banding (or other problems) in an underexposed shot, you'll see them in a properly exposed shot with dark areas.

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Searching Veteran Member • Posts: 3,603
Great Job Vidar thank you too

Super assessment, great pictures and thanks very much for posting, it's lots of work to do this type of thing. Your comments are very interesting, and shows that a cautious approach is required for any new product.

Do you think there may be something wrong with your copy, i.e. the oof and the banding?

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Re: Any comment re: micro adjustment ?

Sorry, but I haven't come to the adjustment yet. Picked up the body today and so far I have only captured sample frames with the 70-200 f4 is L. It seems to be pretty accurate regarding focus. You can have alook at this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/vidarnm/2880329540/sizes/o/
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Re: Great Job Vidar thank you too

Searching wrote:

Super assessment, great pictures and thanks very much for posting,
it's lots of work to do this type of thing. Your comments are very
interesting, and shows that a cautious approach is required for any
new product.

Do you think there may be something wrong with your copy, i.e. the
oof and the banding?
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That will be to early to tell. I captured quite a number of frames, and most of them are quite perfect. I had a great 40d copy, but occasionally it returned oof frames. Specially if the subject was on a distance and the light challenging. Despite the wonderful colors and IQ that these cameras (40d 50d) produce, I'm afraid the AF is not on a pro level.

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Ron Parr Forum Pro • Posts: 13,785
Thanks and question

First: Thanks very much for posting these!

Question: It appears that your raw converter is doing chroma NR. Does it admit to doing this? If yes, what would things look like if you turned chroma NR off?

Thanks,

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You're right. I went by Lightroom's default.That means capture sharpening, but also chroma NR.

...I've just checked how it looks without chroma NR (on the ISO1600 protrait) and I am unable to see a diffence at all - even at pixel level.
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jdavis37 Senior Member • Posts: 2,395
Re: 50D - first impressions (quite interesting, I think)

Thanks for posting. Is always nice to see real world pictures being posted as that is what I would end up with. I have to admit per pixel viewing is always a tough task.. I noticed this when I first bought my 40D and thought it was noisier than my 20D was.. until I downsampled of course.

But, I fear Canon has played the MP card whereas Nikon played the oppsite ( albeit apparently with more NR built in to the equation ). Time will tell of course, and perhaps with downsampling the 50D will still do well at higher ISO's. I keep hoping to see a true ISO3200 that is useable out of camera at normal photo sizes. The D3/700 and 1DMkIII still seem to be the better choices for that. Makes you wonder what a 10MP sensor would have looked like with the gapless design.

Thx for psoting and hope you enjoy the 50D, especially with the better LCD
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Stollen123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,241
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thank you for sharing your experience and boy you made home sick i miss Norway so much.. where did you buy the camera from?

thanx

Karma Traveler Regular Member • Posts: 494
But that ISO 3200 *does* look great

Vidar NM wrote:

I can't see any improvement with regards to noise at pixel level.
The ISO3200 images are not usable, banding is disappointingly an
issue here too.

I've looked at your ISO 3200 sample. With one pass through NeatImage, it looks great. Definitely good enough for print. You can't judge it at the pixel level though, because 15 million pixels is too misleading.

My own criteria for an image's usability is pixel peeping @ 6 MP. I process the files as best I could, resize to 6 MP, then pixel peep. If it stands up to pixel-peeping scrutiny at 6 MP, then I know it will be good enough for normal print sizes. And in the case of ISO 3200 on the 50D, that was definitely the case.

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Stollen123 wrote:

thank you for sharing your experience and boy you made home sick i
miss Norway so much.. where did you buy the camera from?

thanx

The store is "FotoVideo" in Oslo (Møllergata). They have a huge nice store and are also selling online. Professional staff, good prices.
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Re: But that ISO 3200 *does* look great

Thanks for the tip! I'll have to try that approach.
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