I Love The Canon 5DII

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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

Hans Giersberg wrote:

I love the fact that it'll hold Nikon's feet to the fire

I'm thinking that sometime around early November you might want to come back to that thought and see if you still agree with yourself ; )

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Rumpis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,089
Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

I am happy owner and early adopter of D3. I have decision to wait for a D700 successor. I already have too much cameras
I am pretty sure there are Nikon lenses resolving more than 21mp.

markdavis wrote:

Rumpis wrote:

Agree with you. Hope to see Nikon answer - something better and
cheaper
My dream camera now is something like D700 but with more megapixels
than D700. It will be the right camera for landscapes and travel.

d700 is just a few months old and already you want another?
get a new phone or something if you need to buy stuff

nikon won't play in the $3000 anytime soon. d700 is too good right now
who cares about 21mp when you don't have lenses to resolve it

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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,962
Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

Thom Hogan wrote:

Hans Giersberg wrote:

I love the fact that it'll hold Nikon's feet to the fire

I'm thinking that sometime around early November you might want to
come back to that thought and see if you still agree with yourself ; )

So the Nov 3rd rumor has some substance to it?

I think you wrote some time ago that the high MP nikon would be a full-sized body (D3 style). Is it still the updated info on it?

One technical issue: the 5DII sensor, being the 1DsIII's, is not up to the D3's in terms of DR. Could the new microlens system improve DR?

I really wished that Nikon and Canon would invest more in terms of DR improvement, keeping the pixel count at reasonable levels. Maybe the D4, with something like 16MP, will be the one which will do it, or the new 1D(IV) from Canon.

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what about DR?

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and I hope, upon the D300 update, Nikon can minimize sky noise at
base ISO. I'd like to shoot with both camps. Maximizing the merits of
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Matt, since you're a landscape shooter, I know the pixel count is relevant to you, so 21 MP sure helps.

But what about DR? This sensor is the same as the one in the 1DsIII, and its DR is not better than the one in the D3, from many tests available.

Wouldn't it be better to have a 16-18MP sensor with usable 13 stops of DR, then a 21 MP at 11stops?
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Re: It will, as the D700/D3 are now obsolete (in the IQ department)...

TheComplainer wrote:

...Not to mention true, HD 1080p video.

Nikon will respond, for sure, and that's how the game keeps going.

The winner, at the end, is the one who can deliver the largest sales,
at the highest possible margins, and the highest production speed.

That's what this game is all about.

Funny, I thought the game was about taking photos.

Happy shooting, whatever make you choose to use.

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Iliah Borg Forum Pro • Posts: 26,516
and so are all the photos we are taking :))

TheComplainer wrote:

...Not to mention true, HD 1080p video.

Sure. Why mention something that is a poor substitute for other shortcomings, like lack of in-camera image stabilization :))

Nikon will respond, for sure, and that's how the game keeps going.

The winner, at the end, is the one who can deliver the largest sales,
at the highest possible margins, and the highest production speed.
That's what this game is all about.

You demonstrate a company-affiliated mentality. Most of us here do not care which company wins - we are not stockholders. What I care in this game is that I have cameras that bring money me. Currently those are old Kodak and D2X, whatever "obsolete" you think they are.

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fsmith Senior Member • Posts: 1,148
Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

rhlpetrus wrote:

One technical issue: the 5DII sensor, being the 1DsIII's, is not up
to the D3's in terms of DR. Could the new microlens system improve DR?

We'll have to wait for the tests. One thing to anticipate is that since the 5DmkII will trash 1DsmkIII sales, we'll probably see 2 new flagship Canons in the near future both with a new focus system.

Fran

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Re: what about DR?

If you don't mind another landscape shooter jumping in and voicing an opinion, quite frankly none of the SLR's available today have enough dynamic range to record many complex scenes -- a dark slot canyon with a touch of sunlight, a sunset before the sun has fallen out of view, etc. etc.

I would love a camera that could handle over 20 stops of range. Sound crazy? So if we're debating between 11 usable stops and 13 usable stops, I could care less. They both don't cut it.

So I'm happy to bracket and get my extra stops in post proc. Now since DR isn't good enough on any camera, which camera would I prefer to be shooting with... a 12mp or a 20+mp model? I'll take the latter (of course provided that the quality of those 20+mp was just as good). -Joe
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betterliving Senior Member • Posts: 1,077
Thom, What are you saying?

What are you saying, Thom? I'm playing catch-up, here.

Thom Hogan wrote:

Hans Giersberg wrote:

I love the fact that it'll hold Nikon's feet to the fire

I'm thinking that sometime around early November you might want to
come back to that thought and see if you still agree with yourself ; )

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Matt_Anderson
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check this link out

imaging resource is saying that canon is saying the noise floor is potentially lower, so s/n should be higher, given the there is less amplification of sensor data...

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1221624119.html

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TheComplainer Regular Member • Posts: 196
Sorry, life's tough... unless you have cash. :) (nt)
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agreed

current technology isn't capturing it all yet, good technique is still needed (bracketing, filters, etc... ) but lower noise in the shadows sure helps (albeit Nikon or Canon) :0)
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rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,962
on digital DR

Joe Braun wrote:

If you don't mind another landscape shooter jumping in and voicing an
opinion, quite frankly none of the SLR's available today have enough
dynamic range to record many complex scenes -- a dark slot canyon
with a touch of sunlight, a sunset before the sun has fallen out of
view, etc. etc.

I would love a camera that could handle over 20 stops of range. Sound
crazy? So if we're debating between 11 usable stops and 13 usable
stops, I could care less. They both don't cut it.

So I'm happy to bracket and get my extra stops in post proc. Now
since DR isn't good enough on any camera, which camera would I prefer
to be shooting with... a 12mp or a 20+mp model? I'll take the latter
(of course provided that the quality of those 20+mp was just as
good). -Joe
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Well, film, at least positive film, doesn't have more than 7 stops DR (my source is John Snow's book on nature/outdoors photoog). Negative film would go further, not sure how much, have read about DR of 11 stops.

There's a difference though re digital, since analog clipping is quite different from digital clipping, so harsh HLs are really a big issue in digital in my exp.

I'm not a landscape shooter, but I like cityscape shooting a lot. Ckeck this image for example:

This was shot with a D80, and it shows problems around the clouds, clipping in the red channel, which, for a color shot, would be a big problem, with strong color shift. Not so much for b&w.

I shoot manual, spotmetering all the time, so I know exactly how to adjust to get the correct zones (for b&w), from my film days.

The D80 has about 8stops of usable DR, only 3 stops from midgray to HL clipping. With a D700, with about 10-11 stops and 4 stops in HL range, I'd be already much better off. With another 1 or 2 stops, well, that would give 5-6 stops from midtone to HL clipping, in my exp enough for most situations (and you can also underexpose a bit overall and recover mid and low tones with a better sensor, the D3/D700 already seems to do a better job at that).

So, I think Physics precludes 20stops of DR. But not 13 stops, I'd go for that in exchange for some more pixels.
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life's tough... unless you have brains :)

Cash can't substitute those. But how would you know. Sigh.

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Re: check this link out

Matt_Anderson wrote:

imaging resource is saying that canon is saying the noise floor is
potentially lower, so s/n should be higher, given the there is less
amplification of sensor data...

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1221624119.html

Thanks, hope it's true, not just marketing. If they get DR close to D3's at 21 MP, yes, it looks like a great landscape/cityscape camera. But I just wonder if at 16MP they couldn't do even better than the D700/D3 re DR.

I'm mostly interested in street/cityscape photog, so pixel count is not a big issue for me.
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Randy Khayman Senior Member • Posts: 1,377
Re: It will, as the D700/D3 are now obsolete (in the IQ department)...

TheComplainer wrote:

...Not to mention true, HD 1080p video.

Nikon will respond, for sure, and that's how the game keeps going.

The winner, at the end, is the one who can deliver the largest sales,
at the highest possible margins, and the highest production speed.

That's what this game is all about.

By your yardstick, the 1D Mark III is also obsolete.

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Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

Thom Hogan wrote:

Hans Giersberg wrote:

I love the fact that it'll hold Nikon's feet to the fire

I'm thinking that sometime around early November you might want to
come back to that thought and see if you still agree with yourself ; )

Oh Boy, Just Great , another cryptic message in a bottle, wrapped inside an enigma, packaged inside a Chinese fortune cookie.

Out with it Thom, what's the deal?

M Lammerse
M Lammerse Forum Pro • Posts: 11,480
I don't

But I love the way how it plays with people minds

"mine" and "yours" is much bette...has much more MP...has VIDEO...duhhhh

and then you have idiots who will think that tihs release will cause a price war...nopers

Michel

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Re: I Love The Canon 5DII

Did you also got the invitation?
I will make a lot of miles so at the end of the year....

Thom Hogan wrote:

Hans Giersberg wrote:

I love the fact that it'll hold Nikon's feet to the fire

I'm thinking that sometime around early November you might want to
come back to that thought and see if you still agree with yourself ; )

TheComplainer Regular Member • Posts: 196
If brains are your core strength, you should also know that...

...having Brains > does not

Those that make Cash, do so because they take big risks, they gamble on potential outcomes (before their time), they convince others to follow them, and eventually come up with some sort of positive outcome... instead of waiting for things to happen, safely under the class-room's shadow, so an eventual choice can be made.

Just don't tell me which class you teach, please.

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