Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

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Wayne Bass New Member • Posts: 11
Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get around the skew problem.

Everyone is pointing to RED to solve problem and looks like they already have the solution:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19132

I never thought I'd switch from Nikon to Canon and then to completely different camera company but this problem is a deal breaker for me. My clients are increasingly demanding both stills and video for the stills jobs and it looks like Red is going in that direction too.

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Phil Askey
Phil Askey Veteran Member • Posts: 9,822
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Skew problem? (I've shot some video with the Mark II and haven't seen anything like this)

Wayne Bass wrote:

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get
around the skew problem.

Everyone is pointing to RED to solve problem and looks like they
already have the solution:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19132

I never thought I'd switch from Nikon to Canon and then to completely
different camera company but this problem is a deal breaker for me.
My clients are increasingly demanding both stills and video for the
stills jobs and it looks like Red is going in that direction too.

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ChadVeno Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Phil Askey wrote:

Skew problem? (I've shot some video with the Mark II and haven't seen
anything like this)

Maybe because you don’t movie you camera around like a mad man?

For some reason they want to be able to take great videos while they're swinging around there camera,

Phil Askey
Phil Askey Veteran Member • Posts: 9,822
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Erm I've panned it. It's not a phonecam.

ChadVeno wrote:

Phil Askey wrote:

Skew problem? (I've shot some video with the Mark II and haven't seen
anything like this)

Maybe because you don’t movie you camera around like a mad man?

For some reason they want to be able to take great videos while
they're swinging around there camera,

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That Guy New Member • Posts: 9
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Did you try panning with 5DMk2 and got no wobbly video like D90? If so, that's a great improvement in Canon's CMOS sensor.

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asterox101 Regular Member • Posts: 230
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

phil was it tripod mounted or hand held? and was IS used?

That Guy wrote:

Did you try panning with 5DMk2 and got no wobbly video like D90? If
so, that's a great improvement in Canon's CMOS sensor.

Thanks
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Phil Askey
Phil Askey Veteran Member • Posts: 9,822
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Well I tried throwing it around a bit, we're having a game of rugby using the camera in video mode... I don't think IS is on.

asterox101 wrote:
phil was it tripod mounted or hand held? and was IS used?

That Guy wrote:

Did you try panning with 5DMk2 and got no wobbly video like D90? If
so, that's a great improvement in Canon's CMOS sensor.

Thanks
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Buddhas Ghost Junior Member • Posts: 37
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Phil Askey wrote:

Well I tried throwing it around a bit, we're having a game of rugby
using the camera in video mode... I don't think IS is on.

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Michael Ma Contributing Member • Posts: 539
Does Wayne Bass work for RED?

Sounds like a shameless plug if anything.

I trust Phil a lot more than more than Wayne with 10 total posts.

Wayne Bass wrote:

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get
around the skew problem.

Everyone is pointing to RED to solve problem and looks like they
already have the solution:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19132

I never thought I'd switch from Nikon to Canon and then to completely
different camera company but this problem is a deal breaker for me.
My clients are increasingly demanding both stills and video for the
stills jobs and it looks like Red is going in that direction too.

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paulalabra Regular Member • Posts: 261
Re: Does Wayne Bass work for RED?

Phil:
What about the high ISO performance?
Is it really that good?

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Victor Engel Forum Pro • Posts: 19,345
Playing rugby with a 5D II?

That would be worth a shot or two.
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asterox101 Regular Member • Posts: 230
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

lol. nice.

can't wait to see footage. that's very exciting if there's no (or little) wobble.

Phil Askey wrote:
Well I tried throwing it around a bit, we're having a game of rugby
using the camera in video mode... I don't think IS is on.

asterox101 wrote:
phil was it tripod mounted or hand held? and was IS used?

That Guy wrote:

Did you try panning with 5DMk2 and got no wobbly video like D90? If
so, that's a great improvement in Canon's CMOS sensor.

Thanks
--
.: The Second Rat Got The Cheese :.

matthew Thomas Regular Member • Posts: 359
Jello cam is usually bad technique

I have many video cameras with CMOS and I've never had a client complain about rolling shutter skewing. The would, however complain about why I kept panning back and forth on a picket fence when I should have been shooting their commercial.

Really. This shouldn't be a deal breaker for you. If you seem to need exacting frame rendition in pans, get a $100,000 CineAlta. Many of these use CCD's and are nice. But they won't have a full frame sensor, EF lens compatibility, in-lens IS, still capability and they are HUGE.

Really this is the beginning of a revolution in imaging. With all the creative still photographers out there producing video with true 35mm look for nearly no cost, I predict a stock video revolution. istockvideo will explode with this camera out there.

I'm giddy since I really would like to see better footage on the stock market for my productions.

CommonSense Regular Member • Posts: 383
Who records like that? I do steady panning not drunk sailor

If you plan on shooting a majority of your stuff like a drunken sailor then you may need to get a DV cam. I have been doing video for a while now and I have yet to shoot video like that. Good video has steady panning and glides.

Wayne Bass wrote:

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get
around the skew problem.

Everyone is pointing to RED to solve problem and looks like they
already have the solution:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19132

I never thought I'd switch from Nikon to Canon and then to completely
different camera company but this problem is a deal breaker for me.
My clients are increasingly demanding both stills and video for the
stills jobs and it looks like Red is going in that direction too.

CommonSense Regular Member • Posts: 383
Re: Jello cam is usually bad technique

Same here, I have done sports work for clients with a Sony HD cmos and it has been fine. No customer has requested that i shoot video like I am high yet and jerking the camera around like a mad man. Honestly, when are you ever going to shoot like that?

matthew Thomas wrote:

I have many video cameras with CMOS and I've never had a client
complain about rolling shutter skewing. The would, however complain
about why I kept panning back and forth on a picket fence when I
should have been shooting their commercial.

Really. This shouldn't be a deal breaker for you. If you seem to
need exacting frame rendition in pans, get a $100,000 CineAlta. Many
of these use CCD's and are nice. But they won't have a full frame
sensor, EF lens compatibility, in-lens IS, still capability and they
are HUGE.

Really this is the beginning of a revolution in imaging. With all
the creative still photographers out there producing video with true
35mm look for nearly no cost, I predict a stock video revolution.
istockvideo will explode with this camera out there.

I'm giddy since I really would like to see better footage on the
stock market for my productions.

Phil Askey
Phil Askey Veteran Member • Posts: 9,822
Re: Does Wayne Bass work for RED?

It does look that way.

Michael Ma wrote:
Sounds like a shameless plug if anything.

I trust Phil a lot more than more than Wayne with 10 total posts.

Wayne Bass wrote:

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get
around the skew problem.

Everyone is pointing to RED to solve problem and looks like they
already have the solution:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19132

I never thought I'd switch from Nikon to Canon and then to completely
different camera company but this problem is a deal breaker for me.
My clients are increasingly demanding both stills and video for the
stills jobs and it looks like Red is going in that direction too.

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Dave Largent Senior Member • Posts: 2,068
Re: Who records like that? I do steady panning not drunk sailor

Ya but have you seen the D90 video sample someone posted
here? The jello is real bad. Probably would be bad even
with slow panning.

joebloe Veteran Member • Posts: 3,110
Rolling shutter is well over 100 years old

Rolling shutter appears in both still and motion picture photography, and is easy to work around if you know how to use a camera. (Which of course most people don't and don't care to learn.)

Wayne Bass wrote:

Just got an side email from someone in the know that the 5D can't get
around the skew problem.

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asterox101 Regular Member • Posts: 230
Re: Who records like that? I do steady panning not drunk sailor

i have a d90. the jello can get pretty bad. i'm not a videographer so my technique is lacking but i'm also not swinging it around crazily. trying to be smooth. however there are others doing much better with it so it's hard to know how much is my lack of experience.

Dave Largent wrote:

Ya but have you seen the D90 video sample someone posted
here? The jello is real bad. Probably would be bad even
with slow panning.

polansky Contributing Member • Posts: 547
Re: Arrrrgh! 5D has skew/jello also

Phil Askey wrote:

Well I tried throwing it around a bit, we're having a game of rugby
using the camera in video mode... I don't think IS is on.

Phil will you please show it on your preview article...
I am really wondering how video actually works on the 5D MKII.
The samples on Canon's site are pretty still some still videos.

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