The history of purists

Started Sep 11, 2008 | Discussions
Boissez Contributing Member • Posts: 656
What about the concepts that didn't work out?

Like APS, TLR viewing, 135mm backs, Polaroid, Pen-F, Back-plane focusing, etc...

I guess the purists where right about those, making your point kindda moot.

While I do see some potential in DSLR based video I don't think DSLRs and camcorders will converge. Also how would you shouldermount a DSLR?

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J A K Forum Pro • Posts: 15,833
Re: What is your point?

Mr EG wrote:

agree 100% but the fact remains that even with the gear we have today
very few if any reach the level of work he did with the gear of that
time. In other words if advance in technology = better image people
would have surpass his work by now

Very true, I couldn't agree with you more!

BTW, are you aware we "modern" shooters face more challenges today than the Great One did in his time? The Tunnel View landscape at Yosemite and the Snake River portrait at Grand Teton, both images made famous by the Great One are forever compromised today with trees blocking the view; we have all this great gear at our disposal now and can't see past the trees. Sound familiar, kind of like "can't see the forest because of the trees."

Hey, I enjoyed the conversation ... hope you have a great day!

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Skip M Veteran Member • Posts: 7,174
LOL!! Great!

I even saw myself in a couple of those! (AF, Digital...) Ah well...in my defense, I'm looking forward to video, even if my videographer colleagues are not...
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Chilloutbuddy Regular Member • Posts: 139
Re: LOL!! Great!

Personally I dont care if my camera has video capability, video games, mp3, GPS, fax, or a microwave oven. As long as it doesnt affect the following in any way:

  • Functionality for capturing still images;

  • Still image quality; and

  • Price

If they can achieve that, bring on the video by all means, happy to give it a go and see where it takes me. But still photography is my primary concern when buying a DSLR and I dont want it compromised in any way.

At this stage I dont see it as being a compromise, as long as they dont try to sell it as a "feature" and make me pay for stuff I dont want or need.

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AJMJ Senior Member • Posts: 1,132
Av & Tv are AE Modes.

Av & Tv =
Aperture Priority Automatic Exposure Mode
Shutter Priority Automatic Exposure Mode
(Av = Nikon’s favored mode) & (Tv = Canon’s favored mode) of the 1970s.

They came before
Av + Tv + Program Mode (first together in Canon A-1)
then came a
Fully Automatic Exposure Mode
and then
Variable Program Exposure Modes
and then
Auto Focus
and then
Auto Focus that really worked (first in Minolta)
and then a
complete redesign of a camera/lens system to try to catch up (Canon EOS)
and then....

Digital....
CMOS....
Digital Video....

What will be next......?

Glenn aka John Harvey Junior Member • Posts: 34
Auto Mode? - Advanced technology?

Yeah, I can see the arguments for most on your list...but seriously Auto Mode is just for beginners right? or lazy photographers - make some effort

KS Chew Regular Member • Posts: 470
Interesting list, but...

... zoom lenses, TTL, auto focus etc. aid photo taking, but video mode doesn't.

Photovalve wrote:

Also, more features means broader appeal which means mroe sales which
means cheaper cameras. That benefits everyone.

I thought fewer features yield cheaper cameras???

genotypewriter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,846
Live view should go in there too :) [nt]

Photovalve wrote:

A response to those who think that video mode in a DSLR is potent of
the end of civilisation. With tongue in cheek

35 mm - you'll never get a decent picture on that (c. 1930)
Bayonet lenses - if you need to work that fast you're not concentrating
Zoom lenses - no fast apertures and you should use your feet anyway!
TTL Metering - can't do incident with that
Auto Modes - for beginners only
Programme Modes - for people who can't be bothered to learn photography
Autofocus - a gimmick and now I need new lenses!
Digital - it will never outresolve film (even I thought that!)
Video in a DSLR - not in a serious camera surely!

All of these things represent progress and after a while become
standard. Personally I hope it does have a video mode, because if I
get one I will definitely use it, as it will allow me to be creative
in a different way.

Also, more features means broader appeal which means mroe sales which
means cheaper cameras. That benefits everyone.

Wild Tiger Regular Member • Posts: 437
Re: What about the concepts that didn't work out?

Boissez wrote:

While I do see some potential in DSLR based video I don't think DSLRs
and camcorders will converge. Also how would you shouldermount a DSLR?

Shoulder mounting is a legacy of the past. Why do you assume that we will have to shoulder mount it?

As a wildlife photographer, I need the lowest possible angle. And also think of the huge focal lengths that would be used. You need a good support.

I personally, would love to record nature photography films. Right now carrying camera, lens, tripod and then Video camera is too much. Once it converges, I will definitely be using it.

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saynomore Veteran Member • Posts: 4,245
Print button???

Camera Dog wrote:

Print Button: who needs it? I download, process, and then print.

Well do you have a camera that doesn't have a print button, like the 20D? You can print fine from the camera. It's the non-configurable print button Canon gave us in the 5D that we were (and still are) so baffled about. I don't know if later cameras had it configurable, but the G9 does. I've got no gripes with that and I suspect no one else either.

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Leos Senior Member • Posts: 2,072
zoom lenses, TTL, auto focus etc. aid photo taking, but video mode doesn't

KS Chew wrote:

... zoom lenses, TTL, auto focus etc. aid photo taking, but video
mode doesn't.

Thought it deserved a subject line of its own - because this is the utter truth.

Rob Ashton Senior Member • Posts: 1,610
Lol. Good fun but.....

If you incorporate video it becomes a video camera that you can pull stills off. No longer a DSLR as such. How many people here (other than P&S upgraders) trully want or need video on top of still shooting?

Frankly I see incorporating video as the death knell for Still DSLRs and the merging of still capture into the Video cameras of the future.

Rob
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Mori Contributing Member • Posts: 797
Re: Not all new features good

3.Cell phones so complicated my wife has to visit the store where she
bought it once a week to get the Blue Tooth Ear piece sound working.

Younger people seem to have less problems with these types of issues than those one generation older. I keep on catching myself thinking that 20 years ago I could have beat that new video game in my sleep and now it takes a lot of work.

4.Pop up toasters, still not working after maybe 60 years.

Don't know what you have, but all of mine have worked fine for that past 20 years.

6.My car doors are always locked when I don’t want them to be locked.

Get a better car. I can change this on my cars. If they auto-close after driving off, or not, etc.

7.Key in ignition beeper goes off every time I am trying to get out
of the car fast for a road side bird.

See above. I removed the seatbelt warning (programmable option - no soldering required ) just for this reason.

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jrahadi Regular Member • Posts: 240
photography is not art, painting is (n/t)

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PhotoKhan Forum Pro • Posts: 10,711
How wrong...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=29291453

PK

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PhotoKhan Forum Pro • Posts: 10,711
Adding up...

Liveview - It's just a point&shoot gimmick with no place in a true DSLR. I HAVE to look through a viewfinder to really know what I am seeing.

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PhotoKhan Forum Pro • Posts: 10,711
..and up...

DSLRs - "Canon (Nikon) and maybe Nikon (Canon) are the only worthy ones and it will ALWAYS be that way."

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Boissez Contributing Member • Posts: 656
Re: What about the concepts that didn't work out?

Wild Tiger wrote:

Boissez wrote:

While I do see some potential in DSLR based video I don't think DSLRs
and camcorders will converge. Also how would you shouldermount a DSLR?

Shoulder mounting is a legacy of the past. Why do you assume that we
will have to shoulder mount it?

Hehe... I haven't used a pro camcorder in a while and it shows

Still I still foresee a lot of ergonomic issues. If you would incorporate serious video capacities into a DSLR at some point there are going to be some design choices where you would have to add "videoergonomics" that would clash with the "cameraergonomics" - and you wouldn't wan't that (at least not in a pro camera)

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T3 Forum Pro • Posts: 20,792
Don't forget Image Stabilization

Don't forget IS. Purists would cry "Use a tripod, ya' damned hippy!"

There's also ECF (Eye Control Focus), which I happened to love! And of course, anti-tech purists hated that, too.

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T3 Forum Pro • Posts: 20,792
Re: Adding up...

PhotoKhan wrote:

Liveview - It's just a point&shoot gimmick with no place in a true
DSLR. I HAVE to look through a viewfinder to really know what I am
seeing.

PK

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