EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

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Sharif
Sharif Senior Member • Posts: 1,575
EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

Dear all,

I have now my second 35/2 with a stuck focus ring after it fell on the floor from about 1m.

When this happend to my first 35/2 about 4 months ago I talked to my local canon repair shop, they looked at it and said something internally was broken, charged me EUR 26 for this statement and said it was beyond repair. Now as I have 2 copies with the same issue I hesitste to buy a third one before giving it a try myself. (Or buying the more robust 35/1.4L).

I have a scan of an explosion diagram of the lens and a parts list but still I am unable to disassemble it beyond the part with the electronics. I can't remove the circuit board as it has fixed connectors on several locations on the outside and even if I loosen the "one obvious" screw that holds it I can't remove it safely. (In fact I already broke the connectors of one of my 35/2 in an attempt to get the circuit board off.....

can anybody shed some light on how to completely disassemble this lens? Pictures would be great!!!!!

Sharif

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rtg3 New Member • Posts: 1
Re: EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

You cannot do much from the rear of the lens without running into the electronics, which you discovered.

I don't have the lens in front of me so I can't give a perfect description.

Disassemble the lens from the front. All the front lens elements are in a single assembly. You need a lens spanner or something similar to unscrew the front. There are two indentation on the front, those unscrew the front elements - there is no plastic cover like in many other lenses so this is tight.

After you get that off a couple rings around the barrel slide off and you can see the gears for the focus ring. It is not easy getting anything done in there.

I will take you broken lenses!

Rodney

sje9 New Member • Posts: 1
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I had the same problem about two years ago with my 35mm f/2 lens and was able to repair it using the excellent instructions some kind person had posted here:
http://web.mit.edu/cjoye/www/photo/0603_35mmLens/

Two years later the lens is still working perfectly.

These instructions work, but note that the advice provided is accurate: "Easy to fix, but you have to use the right screw drivers or you might strip the screws, and you have to be good at soldering!"

Steve

Sharif
OP Sharif Senior Member • Posts: 1,575
Re: EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

thanks Steve!!
the description and the pictures were really of great help.

Unfortunately in the end it didn't solve my problem however I managed to disassemble the two lenses. The first one was already broken beyond repair and I just used it for practising. For the second one the small metal piece was not the source of the problem. Even if I totally unscrewed it and took it out the focusing mechanism remained stuck. I didn't disassemble the front part of the lens because I already know from my first lens that I am unable to screw it back in to its original position. ...
Nevertheless, many thanks for your help!!!
Kind regards,
Sharif

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Harm_1 Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

Any one who has the description how to repair EF 35mm F/2.0 or EF 28mm F/2.8 autofocus problem?

link below is death!

sje9 wrote:

I had the same problem about two years ago with my 35mm f/2 lens and was able to repair it using the excellent instructions some kind person had posted here:
http://web.mit.edu/cjoye/www/photo/0603_35mmLens/

Two years later the lens is still working perfectly.

These instructions work, but note that the advice provided is accurate: "Easy to fix, but you have to use the right screw drivers or you might strip the screws, and you have to be good at soldering!"

Steve

Tippler Regular Member • Posts: 121
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Go to this page and scroll down to EF 35 2.0 PDF and click on that link

http://www.f20c.com/stuff/canon/partslist/

Remember that you will need the right tools and a well lit place to work where you can control small part.

One bit of advice: A lens hood can often save a lens from a fall. It saved my EF 35 2.0 from a fall onto the street. The hood was a mess, but the lens survived.

Good luck

Harm_1 Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: EF 35mm f/2 repair/disassemble advice

Parts catalog for EF 35mm f/2 I've already found.

It is the disassembly procedure and description for stuck autofocus I'm looking for.
This will be similar fro EF 28 f/2.8 and EF 35mm f/2.0

omega6666 Regular Member • Posts: 126
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Bump. I'm having the same problem, so if anyone can help/send a link, that would really make my day...

omega6666 Regular Member • Posts: 126
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Harm_1 wrote:

Parts catalog for EF 35mm f/2 I've already found.

It is the disassembly procedure and description for stuck autofocus I'm looking for.
This will be similar fro EF 28 f/2.8 and EF 35mm f/2.0

I contacted the person who owned the dead link. I managed to repair my EF 35/2 with it!

He wrote;
d01.jpg: Obvious view of the lens assambled
d02: Was able to remove the top half of the lens case by removng a
TINY set screw, BUT, you probably don't need to do this!!
d03: Unscrew 3 screws that are 120deg apart on base and need to "pop"
out the black plastic part. It's not easy.
d04: Also unscrew 2 tiny screws that attach the metal ring to the
plastic terminal block
d05: Desolder the 3-wire connector and the 6-wire connector. Now you
see the screw/bracket that caused the trouble in my lens (and severl
others). I loosned it a bit and slid the bracket around until the
lens ring turned freely in Manual mode, then tightened it down HARD.
As I remember, that screw was really tough to loosen too, but that
brass bracket can be jarred out of place by a drop or a whack.

I didn't do step 1 and 2, I did remove the 3 screws, but that removed the metal part. I didn't pop out the black part. Not sure what he meant by step 4, but I removed a 4th screw (black) which attached the circuit board to the main frame. I desoldered only one 3 wire connector to be able to reach the problem screw better. Maybe not even neccesary. Once you loosened the problem screw a bit, you must loosen the bracket underneath it a bit with a small flat screwdriver. Now you can start to manually focus back and fort. This should move smoothly. Now attach and solder everything back and... wooptidoo!

geocidal New Member • Posts: 2
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I was able to fix my 35mm with these instructions - THANKS FOR POSTING THEM. I didnt have a stuck focus ring, mine did move with some resistance, but the front lens wouldnt move in or out and the distance indicator wouldnt budge either.

Some recommendations:

1.) Do read everything posted here thoroughly. Try to locate everything mentioned. It really helps. The explosion diagram found elsewhere is of some use, too; print it out or have it on screen.

Then, go buy better screwdrivers. If you have really good ones already, go fetch a metal file. I ruined a set of cheap ones, than bought really good expensive ones and still had them go blunt every 5 or so screws. that's what you need the file for. some screws are incredibly tight, but that's ok, the lens is surprisingly sturdy. apply the necessary force, you dont have any other option anyway (unless you own some kind of specialty power tool for this purpose, a big one with a diesel engine.)

2.) Disassembly: The bottom part of the lens consists of three distinct parts: the silvery metal bayonet, a black plasticky part surrounding the back lens element and another plastic part that carries the contacts. the latter two are separate, even though it doesnt look that way.

First, remove the three 120 degree separated screws that connect the shiny metal part to the lens body. then, take a close look at the black plasticky part; it can be removed without tools. then, remove all the screws that connect the contacts to the shiny metal ring. that's not strictly necessary, but it makes things lots easier. If you arent a real expert at this sort of thing, you should do this.

3.) next, remove the screw that connects the circuit board to the lens body. now, here's where i made a mistake: there are three cable-like thingies running down from the circuit board into the lens. two are pretty sturdy large ones, but the third is a small 3 lane one. this one is super fragile and rips very very easily. i didnt know this and severed it. since you'll need a lot (and i mean A LOT) of force to unscrew the problematic bracket, you'll most likely want to desolder this one, else you'll likely rip it (unless you're really expert with this sort of thing); after desoldering, you can flip the circuit board upwards and get full access to the bracket. the soldering/desoldering is super simple. heat up the solder with a soldering iron, dont pump it away or anything, but move the contacts from the cable-thingy out of the solder blobs with your soldering iron. put something in between the solder points (i.e. some tape or a bit of paper) to avoid turining them into one big blob of solder. once you're finished, re-heat the first solder point, dip the contact thingy into it, wait till it gets hard. way easier than doing the full desoldering limbo. just make sure that you dont get any contact between the individual contacts.

4.) loosen the bracket as described. DO HAVE YOUR LENS SWITCHED TO AF WHEN YOU DO THIS.

5.) if your lens was in MF mode, your AF/MF switch may be stuck. look underneath the circuit board right behind the switch. there should be some sort of shiny silvery rod thingy sticking up. push on it with a screwdriver. also try pushing and prodding everything else (gently.) it should make "click" and the button should move freely again.

6.) since you didnt desolder and are a bit clumsy with tools and delicate electronics, your AF doesnt work. that's because you severed the cable-thingy mentioned above. your chances of reconnecting the severed lanes are basically nil, unless you're used to soldering under a microscope. here's what i did (and what worked): First, desolder the cable, suck up most (not all) of the solder (if you dont know how to do this, google for desoldering, there's a lot of good howtos for this. a desolder pump thingy is 4 euros, spend them if you dont own one already. dont try without one (or a suitable replacement, such as solder wick.) flip up the circuit board; you'll find that the cable thingy runs down to three nice big protruding metal contacts. solder a thin wire to each of them. solder the other ends to the contacts on the circuit board. burn yourself several times (if you're clumsy enough to sever the cable, you'll sure as hell burn yourself.)

7.) check if the aperture still closes when you change the f-value and push the aperture preview button on the camera. if it doesnt, check the other cables. you probably ripped one of them. it's unlikely that you wrecked the circuit board, else i'd have wrecked mine too. i'm that clumsy.

8.) dont even try opening the lens from the front. it's easy, but completely pointless. there isn't anything you could reach that could be broken in there.

9.) if you dont tighten the bracket as brutally as it was when you found it, you might find that your manual focus is way more smooth and the AF runs a tiny little bit faster. dont leave it loose though, fasten it as good as you can (if you're still reading this, you're not the type of person that can get the screw as tight as canon did anyway.)

If anyone finds out about a decent hood for this lens (for crop dslrs), please post about it here. The one from canon is a fat disgraceful cornflakes bowl.

Cheers,
Geocidal

Bob Darby New Member • Posts: 21
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Try the Marty Forshner approach. When he wanted to learn camera repair he took apart a Leica, A Rolleflex, and a Speed Graphic. He put all the parts in one box, shook it lightly, then reassembled the cameras! From then on he knew those cameras well.

So well that he started Professional Camera Repair in NYC. Try it !! Toss in a Nikon lens for variety. LOL ( Lots of Luck )
Bob

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This is brilliant!! Just fixed the same issue with my lens! Thanks

TK

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Reinhard K New Member • Posts: 1
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Just used this guide to repair my 35f2 lens - works perfect again for now. Just a word of caution, you really have to de-solder the the 3 pin connector, tried to reach the screw without and the connector broke, so i had to solder in some new cables.

Anyways, Thanks a lot for the advise!

Cheers Reinhard

Olivier15 Forum Member • Posts: 57
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omega6666 wrote:

I didn't do step 1 and 2, I did remove the 3 screws, but that removed the metal part. I didn't pop out the black part. Not sure what he meant by step 4, but I removed a 4th screw (black) which attached the circuit board to the main frame. I desoldered only one 3 wire connector to be able to reach the problem screw better. Maybe not even neccesary. Once you loosened the problem screw a bit,

I can confirm it isn't. I saved my 35 f/2 with this procedure yesterday after it took a tumble with my camera. I didn't have to desolder anything. A gentle twist of the rear metal mount (once unscrewed) let me reach the small black screw on the PCB. And a gentle twist of both mount and PCB together let me reach the screw of the bracket which needs to be loosened. It never felt anywhere near the point where something would break but you do need a fine (and long) screwdriver so it can be inserted without twisting the PCB too much.

Thanks to everyone who contributed. I wouldn't have known this was possible otherwise.

Larca New Member • Posts: 1
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If I half ripped the third one, what are my options…?

ramirogz New Member • Posts: 2
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what if I also broke the same 3 pin cable? Can you help me to get more details on how you soldered new ones? - Thanks!

ClaytonTurner Junior Member • Posts: 30
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omega6666 wrote:

Harm_1 wrote:

Parts catalog for EF 35mm f/2 I've already found.

It is the disassembly procedure and description for stuck autofocus I'm looking for.
This will be similar fro EF 28 f/2.8 and EF 35mm f/2.0

I contacted the person who owned the dead link. I managed to repair my EF 35/2 with it!

He wrote;
d01.jpg: Obvious view of the lens assambled
d02: Was able to remove the top half of the lens case by removng a
TINY set screw, BUT, you probably don't need to do this!!
d03: Unscrew 3 screws that are 120deg apart on base and need to "pop"
out the black plastic part. It's not easy.
d04: Also unscrew 2 tiny screws that attach the metal ring to the
plastic terminal block
d05: Desolder the 3-wire connector and the 6-wire connector. Now you
see the screw/bracket that caused the trouble in my lens (and severl
others). I loosned it a bit and slid the bracket around until the
lens ring turned freely in Manual mode, then tightened it down HARD.
As I remember, that screw was really tough to loosen too, but that
brass bracket can be jarred out of place by a drop or a whack.

I didn't do step 1 and 2, I did remove the 3 screws, but that removed the metal part. I didn't pop out the black part. Not sure what he meant by step 4, but I removed a 4th screw (black) which attached the circuit board to the main frame. I desoldered only one 3 wire connector to be able to reach the problem screw better. Maybe not even neccesary. Once you loosened the problem screw a bit, you must loosen the bracket underneath it a bit with a small flat screwdriver. Now you can start to manually focus back and fort. This should move smoothly. Now attach and solder everything back and... wooptidoo!

This was brilliant. Ive had this lens sitting around thinking it was done with, but tonightI thought with a bit of a break Id try to figure out what was wrong with it. This post alone helped me fix it tonight. Though I was very cautious doing it, it was very easy. When soldering I only desoldered the 3 pin green contact. All the other limes were long enough to just mive the curcuit board out of the way to get to the screw and washer. ReSoldering was very easy and assembly went without a hitch.

MichalEs Junior Member • Posts: 42
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Thanks to everybody that contributed for the instructions, fixed my lens in an about an hour or two. Mine wasn't entirely stuck, it would go through part of the range with increasing stiffness. I didn't even unscrew the brass thingy, just moved it a bit with a screwdriver and voila!

Used a sharpened toothpick to unstick the connectors from the PCB (they are glued to the PCB using some sticky tape) and to lift the connector "pins" above melted solder blobs, which I heated one by one. If the solder blobs connect to each other, the best way to deal with it is to remove the old solder using solder wick and use new one to resolder the connectors. Actually it's a good idea to always remove the old solder and use new one for good quality connection, but I didn't bother except for the merged blobs.

Refered to this Youtube video as well:

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Kevin Omura
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Perhaps you should stop dropping your lenses

Problem when you drop a plastic lens is that parts can crack or be pushed out of alignment. You could try taking it apart and perhaps there is even a youtube video on how to do so BUT depending on what part(s) you have damaged it may not be repairable by you.

Also depending on how deep you have to dismantle the lens you run a pretty good chance of introducing dust into the lens or damaging a ribbon cable.

I did just look at the new vs necro'd thread and it does look pretty straightforward however dropping a lens could introduce more issues.

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