NEW 5D available in August!

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Skip M Veteran Member • Posts: 7,174
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

carlk wrote:

Strange as it might sound but low light capability is mostly demanded
by amateur photographer for snap shot type photography. Pros and
serious photographers will either use elaborated lighting set up or
use tripod for landscapes whenever they can. I don’t think many of
them and their clients will appreciate ISO800+ images from any
cameras. Perhaps that’s the reason you don’t hear many of them
mention low light capability of 1Ds3. There are exceptions of
course. Indoor sports photography is one of them but that’s not
where 1Ds3 is used.

Carl, this isn't quite true. We often have to shoot weddings in very low light circumstances and in some churches, flash is not allowed. Low light performance can be critical at such times. Also, getting a high ISO when shooting in a club or reception, even with flash, helps minimize problems caused by slow shutter speeds or shallow DOF.
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joan van nispen tot sevenaer Forum Member • Posts: 54
up close & personal

Now that is hardcore photojournalism... great work, love them all, four and/or five the favorites. And yes you can argue about taste;-)

joan van nispen tot sevenaer Forum Member • Posts: 54
Re: up close & personal

I was referring to link of allnak:
uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

sorry, new here

genotypewriter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,846
Re: OK Allnak...

allnak wrote:

uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

Not bad... but that doesn't make you smart, decent or have an ability evaluate other's work... I know you weren't asking

Oh, and learn to make a decent website without using too much of that flash cr*p

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bronxbombers Forum Pro • Posts: 18,226
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

RedFox88 wrote:

bronxbombers wrote:

i thought that the 1dsmkiii has the LOWEST noise per surface area of
sensor of any of the DSLRs and since it has tied for the largest
sensor, wouldn't that make it the lowest noise of them all, even if
definitely not the lowest noise per PIXEL.

If it did, you'd see a lot of talk and example high iso shots from
1Ds3 users and that hasn't happened. Yet most 1Ds3 users (the s
stands for studio) aren't using their camera for family snapshots
after sunset. They are shooting landscapes in good light and studio
shots in controlled studio lighting.

but how many of them downsample everything to 10-12MP?

i could swear there is a photon efficiency per unit sensor area chart that had the 1DsMkIII at the top, maybe I didn't read the fine print and some other stuf was not yet taken into account.

anyway, it seems at least possible though.

again as for why you don't hear most of them (there is one on FM who does go on about this) going on about this, maybe it's because most people and most reviews just look at per pixel noise, where the 1DsMkIII is defintely not the best, even if not all that bad, but take that massive MP pic and optimally reduce it down to 6 or 8 or 12MP and I think it might well have less noise than any of those 6,8,12MP cameras for the same scene framed the same way.

maybe I am not remembering it correctly or I just glanced at the chart and missed something important in the text though.

bronxbombers Forum Pro • Posts: 18,226
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

well it depends what types of pros you are around most, i almost never around studio/portrait/product pros and landscape pros are often out in the field on their own but im around newspaper/PJ all the time so from my perspective MOST serious photographers and pros are crazy about strong high ISO hah.

but getting back to 1DsMkIII prob are more tripod landscapers and studio people than other with that, even if you do hear about some sports guys etc. from time to time.

carlk wrote:
Strange as it might sound but low light capability is mostly demanded
by amateur photographer for snap shot type photography. Pros and
serious photographers will either use elaborated lighting set up or
use tripod for landscapes whenever they can. I don’t think many of
them and their clients will appreciate ISO800+ images from any
cameras. Perhaps that’s the reason you don’t hear many of them
mention low light capability of 1Ds3. There are exceptions of
course. Indoor sports photography is one of them but that’s not
where 1Ds3 is used.

RedFox88 wrote:

bronxbombers wrote:

i thought that the 1dsmkiii has the LOWEST noise per surface area of
sensor of any of the DSLRs and since it has tied for the largest
sensor, wouldn't that make it the lowest noise of them all, even if
definitely not the lowest noise per PIXEL.

If it did, you'd see a lot of talk and example high iso shots from
1Ds3 users and that hasn't happened. Yet most 1Ds3 users (the s
stands for studio) aren't using their camera for family snapshots
after sunset. They are shooting landscapes in good light and studio
shots in controlled studio lighting.

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allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
Re: OK Allnak...

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

Not bad... but that doesn't make you smart, decent or have an ability
evaluate other's work... I know you weren't asking

Who was saying anything about "smart", "decent," or "ability to evaluate"? I just said that your pics suck. But you seem to blathering on about something or other...

Oh, and learn to make a decent website without using too much of that
flash cr*p

It's not a website LOL. It's just a temporary page to review the pics. Get a grip. You throw coffee in a fan and expect what to come back at you?

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carlk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,940
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

Skip, You are right high ISO capability is always useful. My comment is just it is probably less of a requirement for the general type of work 1Ds3 are used for than the type where people shooting vacation pictures or birthday parties with xti or 5D.

To brian44, I did say there are exceptions. PJ and sports (I mention that specifically) are definitely among them. However I would think they usually use 1D instead of 1Ds. My whole point is reason why you don't hear many people mention noise performance of 1Ds3 is many of them are using the camera in studio or for landscape and not use it at high ISO. One more thing is as bronxbombers mentioned, don't be confused with per pixel noise to per frame noise. Per pixel noise is irrelevant to the final result. Per frame noise is what counts whether you do web posting or print A2.

Skip M wrote:

carlk wrote:

Strange as it might sound but low light capability is mostly demanded
by amateur photographer for snap shot type photography. Pros and
serious photographers will either use elaborated lighting set up or
use tripod for landscapes whenever they can. I don’t think many of
them and their clients will appreciate ISO800+ images from any
cameras. Perhaps that’s the reason you don’t hear many of them
mention low light capability of 1Ds3. There are exceptions of
course. Indoor sports photography is one of them but that’s not
where 1Ds3 is used.

Carl, this isn't quite true. We often have to shoot weddings in very
low light circumstances and in some churches, flash is not allowed.
Low light performance can be critical at such times. Also, getting a
high ISO when shooting in a club or reception, even with flash, helps
minimize problems caused by slow shutter speeds or shallow DOF.
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carlk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,940
Re: 17000 Yuan should only be about $2,150. not bad price !! nt

I heard you guys pay full MSRP for Porsche and BMW there too. On the brighter side you do have free medical coverage when you got sick.

brian44 wrote:

carlk wrote:

How much is the 5D selling for in China right now? That may give us
some idea in comparison. Canon has a strange way of pricing in
different countries.

You're telling me. They seem to charge the most in Rip-Off Britain...

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RalphConway New Member • Posts: 11
Re: 17000 Yuan should only be about $2,150. not bad price !! nt

We here in germany get ripped off. And we have to pay for medical stuff.

But off course we get Porsches and BMWs nearly for free ,,,

genotypewriter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,846
Re: OK Allnak...

allnak wrote:

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

Not bad... but that doesn't make you smart, decent or have an ability
evaluate other's work... I know you weren't asking

Who was saying anything about "smart", "decent," or "ability to
evaluate"? I just said that your pics suck. But you seem to
blathering on about something or other...

As short as your attention span may be, all this started because of opinions that weren't asked for. Ooh sounds like I hit one of your nerves... lol

Oh, and learn to make a decent website without using too much of that
flash cr*p

It's not a website LOL. It's just a temporary page to review the
pics. Get a grip. You throw coffee in a fan and expect what to come
back at you?

It's going to be waste of time to explain because HTML seems too hard for you and website semantics aren't going to win me the nobel prize... but I'll explain because you probably can't do anything better than drag 'n drop Flash candy.

A website is usually a cohesive collection of information. Now your site might have only one URL but there's nothing stopping anyone from calling it a site. Either way, at the end of the day... what you do is insignificant.

Now go hire one of those bums off the street who can code HTML for food... you might learn a thing or two, if there are things called miracles.

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allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
Re: OK Allnak...

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

Not bad... but that doesn't make you smart, decent or have an ability
evaluate other's work... I know you weren't asking

Who was saying anything about "smart", "decent," or "ability to
evaluate"? I just said that your pics suck. But you seem to
blathering on about something or other...

As short as your attention span may be, all this started because of
opinions that weren't asked for. Ooh sounds like I hit one of your
nerves... lol

No, all this started when you were being a jerk to the OP. Like I said, throw coffee in a fan and...

Oh, and learn to make a decent website without using too much of that
flash cr*p

It's not a website LOL. It's just a temporary page to review the
pics. Get a grip. You throw coffee in a fan and expect what to come
back at you?

It's going to be waste of time to explain because HTML seems too hard
for you and website semantics aren't going to win me the nobel
prize... but I'll explain because you probably can't do anything
better than drag 'n drop Flash candy.

A website is usually a cohesive collection of information. Now your
site might have only one URL but there's nothing stopping anyone from
calling it a site. Either way, at the end of the day... what you do
is insignificant.

Now go hire one of those bums off the street who can code HTML for
food... you might learn a thing or two, if there are things called
miracles.

You're blathering on again but I guess that's your cup of tea. You obviously missed the point but I'll hold your hand like a kid and break it down for you: I don't give a rat's @ss what you think about webpages which use flash or html. Get it?

Do you people migrate away from you when you walk in the room?

GTW
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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,880
carlk...very well stated. thank you. so true. nt
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Edymagno Veteran Member • Posts: 3,622
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

The 5D was anounced on August 22, 2005. It was a monday.
According to China Russ the new 5D will be anounced on Aug 18. Monday.

Probably it doesn't prove anything.
Regards

Eduardo

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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,880
Does prove ?? lot of people are watching/waiting to see what it'l be. nt
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bronxbombers Forum Pro • Posts: 18,226
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

Edymagno wrote:

The 5D was anounced on August 22, 2005. It was a monday.
According to China Russ the new 5D will be anounced on Aug 18. Monday.

Probably it doesn't prove anything.
Regards

Eduardo

haha i guess that blows away my theory that they never announce on monday

Yuan Gao New Member • Posts: 20
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

opinion not theory

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genotypewriter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,846
Re: OK Allnak...

allnak wrote:

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

genotypewriter wrote:

allnak wrote:

uh....try this:

http://homepage.mac.com/kei.nakamatsu/noname/

Not bad... but that doesn't make you smart, decent or have an ability
evaluate other's work... I know you weren't asking

Who was saying anything about "smart", "decent," or "ability to
evaluate"? I just said that your pics suck. But you seem to
blathering on about something or other...

As short as your attention span may be, all this started because of
opinions that weren't asked for. Ooh sounds like I hit one of your
nerves... lol

No, all this started when you were being a jerk to the OP. Like I
said, throw coffee in a fan and...

I wasn't talking to the OP and I was replying to 'jonrobertp' and their post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28825983

... to which the 'ChinaRuss' (regardless whether they are the OP or not) replied with the "Why? do you want to call them up? can you speak Chinese? what do you really want to say?" in the following thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28828329

Now that's what I call rude. And your life is worthless so you tried to put your ¥0.02 in to all this...

If you were any smarter, I'd ask you to get a job and mind your own business but I really can't recommend anything for you...

Oh, and learn to make a decent website without using too much of that
flash cr*p

It's not a website LOL. It's just a temporary page to review the
pics. Get a grip. You throw coffee in a fan and expect what to come
back at you?

It's going to be waste of time to explain because HTML seems too hard
for you and website semantics aren't going to win me the nobel
prize... but I'll explain because you probably can't do anything
better than drag 'n drop Flash candy.

A website is usually a cohesive collection of information. Now your
site might have only one URL but there's nothing stopping anyone from
calling it a site. Either way, at the end of the day... what you do
is insignificant.

Now go hire one of those bums off the street who can code HTML for
food... you might learn a thing or two, if there are things called
miracles.

You're blathering on again but I guess that's your cup of tea.

"blathering"? "cup of tea"? lol

You obviously missed the point but I'll hold your hand like a kid

I know you want to play Santa, son, but sorry, I'm not like your daddy.

and break it down for you: I don't give a rat's @ss what you think about
webpages which use flash or html. Get it?

I know you didn't ask but it sucks... I bet those h* kers you showed could make a better site than you do.

Do you people migrate away from you when you walk in the room?

Looks like someone's out of material... lol Come back when you have a come back

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wkhc168 Regular Member • Posts: 240
Re: .com.cn domain?

itsskin wrote:

http://en.bcia.com.cn/ - beijing capital airport site,
http://www.kpmg.com.cn/ - KPMG site.... they suppose to be fishing?
LOL

5D goes for around 1800 USD in China now.

So did you send Russ an email and got his supplier contact info? Care to share?
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bronxbombers Forum Pro • Posts: 18,226
Re: Late August is the usual Canon announcement time

Yuan Gao wrote:

opinion not theory

no, not opinion either, haha, that is just as wrong, should have said claim or perhaps hypothesis

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