Leica M9 , Compact, 0.95 Noctilux

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MARK US Forum Member • Posts: 51
Leica M9 , Compact, 0.95 Noctilux

The M9 will come next year with FF chip.

Photokina will bring a Noctilux 0.95 and a compact Leica "Allah" CM/Cl.

They also plan to ride the M8 $1750 upgrade train until doomsday
because it's money in their bank ....!

Don't forget the rulers are Austrians now ...with a great history of pocketing
tourists money in their country... and "New": Now World Wide!

There is considerable amount of justified speculation that the
Panasonic's aka Digilux are an abandoned ship so maybe you would want to buy
your 1.4/25mm Leica Panasonic while and if you can.

Hope this helps your decision making!

If you have questions: I can't answer them... only time will tell.

speenth Forum Member • Posts: 81
Re: Leica M9 , Compact, 0.95 Noctilux

MARK US wrote:

The M9 will come next year with FF chip.

Photokina will bring a Noctilux 0.95 and a compact Leica "Allah" CM/Cl.

They also plan to ride the M8 $1750 upgrade train until doomsday
because it's money in their bank ....!

Don't forget the rulers are Austrians now ...with a great history of
pocketing
tourists money in their country... and "New": Now World Wide!

There is considerable amount of justified speculation that the
Panasonic's aka Digilux are an abandoned ship so maybe you would want
to buy
your 1.4/25mm Leica Panasonic while and if you can.

Hope this helps your decision making!

If you have questions: I can't answer them... only time will tell.

M9 with FF; Noctilux .95; new CM; no more Panaleicas - You seem very certain of these significant changes in the Leica line-up - do you have an inside source? If so, I'd love to know how FF is to be accommodated in a rangefinder body - I understand it would require a much altered geometry - it wouldn't really be an 'M' anymore would it? I fear it would be a very BIG M - and that wholly defeats the object of the rangefinder format. Need FF, buy an FF DSLR system. Need a discreet, wieldy, high IQ camera - get an M8.

I'm a little disturbed by the slur on the Austrians. As a long-time guest in their country, I have high regard for a hard-working, life-balanced, outdoor people who enjoy their bounteous nature even more than the tourists do. More to the point, tourists get rather more for their Euros than in many equivelant touristic nations. I greatly enjoy living in Vienna largely because I am NOT ripped off as I might be in London, New York or Paris.

Irakly Shanidze
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Re: Leica M9 , Compact, 0.95 Noctilux

remember, nigel powers had this thing for "that bloody dutch" and for belgians (only the belgians)?you know... :)))))))
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Allen George Senior Member • Posts: 1,458
Are you simply passing the info in the Leica User forum as your fact?

Or do you have independent verification? Just curious. . .

Thread in question:

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/56309-infos-forum-meeting-2008-a.html

There, we hear about a possible CM, no E-3-based Leica body, and a Noctilux 0.95.
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leandrod Contributing Member • Posts: 792
No 24x36mm digital M

MARK US wrote:

The M9 will come next year with FF chip.

Herr Kaufman already said it can't be done for the foreseeable future.

justahack Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Hell No 24x36mm digital M

... and like he's going to spin around and make himself look like an idiot.
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Artichoke
Artichoke Forum Pro • Posts: 12,670
the difficulties in making FF RF

may well be near insurmountable at this time & for the near future, certainly if one hopes to keep wide angle image quality at the level the M8 delivers

the M8's 1.33 sensor is not such a huge liability for me & I suspect for most shooters
I would like to see some wide angle fast primes offered by Solms at Photokina
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TEBnewyork
TEBnewyork Forum Pro • Posts: 11,337
Re: the difficulties in making FF RF

The 21 elmarit is now $4295
The 24 elmarit is now $3795
The 28 cron is now $3995

In practical terms we have to be nearing a limit to what people will pay for these lenses. Adding a stop or two is not going to be cheap and these lenses aren't exactly light in their current forms.

I know at Photokina they are going to go faster but I really have to wonder if that is the best place to expend R&D dollars (euros). One would have to assume a CL or CM would do a lot more for sales and the bottom line and potentially sell more midpriced lenses.

Artichoke wrote:

may well be near insurmountable at this time & for the near future,
certainly if one hopes to keep wide angle image quality at the level
the M8 delivers
the M8's 1.33 sensor is not such a huge liability for me & I suspect
for most shooters
I would like to see some wide angle fast primes offered by Solms at
Photokina
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ljclark Senior Member • Posts: 2,418
Re: the difficulties in making FF RF

TEBnewyork wrote:

The 21 elmarit is now $4295
The 24 elmarit is now $3795
The 28 cron is now $3995

In practical terms we have to be nearing a limit to what people will
pay for these lenses.

And someone is holding a gun to your head -- forcing you to buy Leica glass? Give me a break. Zeiss and Cosina to the rescue.

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ljclark Senior Member • Posts: 2,418
Yep...

I can't figure out why people get so hung up of 35mm FF.

I'm using the M8, Nikon FX DSLRs, and 4:3 DSLRs. As good a camera as I suspect it is, I'm really not tempted by the D700.

I think the sensor size of the M8 is quite sufficient as a window to the world.

Artichoke wrote:

may well be near insurmountable at this time & for the near future,
certainly if one hopes to keep wide angle image quality at the level
the M8 delivers

the M8's 1.33 sensor is not such a huge liability for me & I suspect
for most shooters

I would like to see some wide angle fast primes offered by Solms at
Photokina

Agree...And if Leica doesn't, a couple of other just might.

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TEBnewyork
TEBnewyork Forum Pro • Posts: 11,337
Re: the difficulties in making FF RF

I think you are misrepresenting what I said and the point that I was making. Essentially, we agree the differences in the prices of Leica lenses is huge when compared to Zeiss and Voigtlander. Adding faster even more expensive lenses makes that gap even wider. The market for even pricier (where i gave examples) lenses is probably not that large. So the point I was making is simply $ for $ or € for € it is probably more economic for Leica to invest in a new less expensive body to increase the overall rangedinder market which would have a longer lasting impact that a few very costly lenses. I wasn't making the point that one needed to own only Leica glass (I don't).

ljclark wrote:

TEBnewyork wrote:

The 21 elmarit is now $4295
The 24 elmarit is now $3795
The 28 cron is now $3995

In practical terms we have to be nearing a limit to what people will
pay for these lenses.

And someone is holding a gun to your head -- forcing you to buy Leica
glass? Give me a break. Zeiss and Cosina to the rescue.

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JohnnyReno Contributing Member • Posts: 617
No reason other than economy and roadmaps...

There is no technical impediment to the adoption of FF sensors into M bodies -- other than microlens design to deal with telecentricity. There is no remarkable size difference to the 'die' that the sensor lives on -- evidenced by the essentially similar dimensions of the new Nikon D700 in relation to the D300. All film Ms dimensionally have room for a 35mm sensor as they currently use 35mm film including assorted transport mechanisms. the additional girth of the M8 is more the result of 'tacking on' an LCD on the back. A FF M is also not in need of a larger pentaprism as a DSLR would require.

Sensor development roadmaps and cost are responsible for the 'lack' of FF at this time. A mythical FF M8 would have cost a good $1000-$1500 more than it did but once FF sensor production costs decrease and production increases, every manufacturer will have affordable FF cameras in their line-up. To go one step further, one could imagine digital medium format will become to FF what FF has been to DX. I can even imagine a mirrorless MF digital point and shoot one day ^ ^

2¢,

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TEBnewyork
TEBnewyork Forum Pro • Posts: 11,337
It already exists

MF point and shoot already exists....check out the Alpa TC there are other similar products with Cambo and Horseman. While they don't have any bells and whistles and you need to know what you are doing, they have an appeal to MF shooters.

JohnnyReno wrote:

There is no technical impediment to the adoption of FF sensors into M
bodies -- other than microlens design to deal with telecentricity.
There is no remarkable size difference to the 'die' that the sensor
lives on -- evidenced by the essentially similar dimensions of the
new Nikon D700 in relation to the D300. All film Ms dimensionally
have room for a 35mm sensor as they currently use 35mm film including
assorted transport mechanisms. the additional girth of the M8 is
more the result of 'tacking on' an LCD on the back. A FF M is also
not in need of a larger pentaprism as a DSLR would require.

Sensor development roadmaps and cost are responsible for the 'lack'
of FF at this time. A mythical FF M8 would have cost a good
$1000-$1500 more than it did but once FF sensor production costs
decrease and production increases, every manufacturer will have
affordable FF cameras in their line-up. To go one step further, one
could imagine digital medium format will become to FF what FF has
been to DX. I can even imagine a mirrorless MF digital point and
shoot one day ^ ^

2¢,

S.G.

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Doug Frost Contributing Member • Posts: 546
wired.com had a bit about the M9 back in February

Not exactly independent confirmation. It's still a rumor, but it has been out there for a while.

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/02/leica-ready-to.html

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justahack Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
0.95 Noct = snowball's chance in hell

What would be the point of this lens... I mean really. The 1.0 already has issues and frankly is a bit@h to focus. Let me guess.. a 0.95 would retail for about $9000 or so... LOL!!!

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Re: 0.95 Noct = snowball's chance in hell

The 1.0 is not being made anymore. The last bunch were being sold as collectors items in a special box for $10,000. I think the new Nocti is reality.....so start turning the air conditioning in hell.

justahack wrote:

What would be the point of this lens... I mean really. The 1.0
already has issues and frankly is a bit@h to focus. Let me guess.. a
0.95 would retail for about $9000 or so... LOL!!!

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justahack Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Cranking up the air...

Yep, I can always be wrong. I guess. But I hope they fix the darn hood design on the new one. The "old" design is not that great IMHO.

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gabor_s Regular Member • Posts: 233
Re: 0.95 Noct = snowball's chance in hell

Well, focussing the Noctilux isn't difficult, the long focus travel allows it to focus more precisely than a Summilux 50mm ...

justahack wrote:

What would be the point of this lens... I mean really. The 1.0
already has issues and frankly is a bit@h to focus.

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justahack Senior Member • Posts: 1,130
Re: 0.95 Noct = snowball's chance in hell

I should add that I wear glasses and that I find Leica viewfinders rather dim in the low light conditions where I tend to use the Noct... In full sunlight/open shade the later is less of an issue.

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