New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

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Konrad-W Forum Member • Posts: 54
New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

This is an information from a Canon insider in Germany. I don't know if it's true but this person seems to be trustworthy. A friend of this person knew for example about 1D Mk3 before the official announcements.

Well the information is that Canon is currently testing 3 new cameras. 2 of them are the successor of 5D, one "1" model. 2 of these camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors which have no (or very very low) noise. At least one of them ("1" series) have only 10 Mpix, but no noise at all!!! There is also an info, that there ist "something else".

I repeat: i don't know this Canon insider, the person who posted it on a closed photography forum is very serious, and the insider seems to be thrustworthy (1D Mk3 info before official announcements). I give no guarantee on this information. It's just a new, but very interesting rumor.

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spho-c Regular Member • Posts: 264
Re: New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

Yea, something new will be announced in September.
There is the big show in Germany.

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Jamie H. Senior Member • Posts: 2,793
No noise... yeah I believe that :)

This would make a perfect April fools joke.

Konrad-W wrote:

This is an information from a Canon insider in Germany. I don't know
if it's true but this person seems to be trustworthy. A friend of
this person knew for example about 1D Mk3 before the official
announcements.

Well the information is that Canon is currently testing 3 new
cameras. 2 of them are the successor of 5D, one "1" model. 2 of these
camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise. At least one of them ("1"
series) have only 10 Mpix, but no noise at all!!! There is also an
info, that there ist "something else".

I repeat: i don't know this Canon insider, the person who posted it
on a closed photography forum is very serious, and the insider seems
to be thrustworthy (1D Mk3 info before official announcements). I
give no guarantee on this information. It's just a new, but very
interesting rumor.

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Damkader Senior Member • Posts: 1,361
Re: No noise... yeah I believe that :)

Seems like April Fools every other day here.
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blackhawk13 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,742
Re: No noise...
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No noise = no signal... no such thing

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Ludovic Monchat Veteran Member • Posts: 3,217
Come on guys, don't be so...

No noise certainly means very low noise and it's obvious that something can be gained as long as amplification is intended. The OP talked about low voltage, maybe something can be gained here too.

My only concern still the unveiling of such new technology on a cam like the 5D's sequel...strange. I imagine Canon would have kept such possible new features for the top 1's.

We'll see. The only interesting thing is that something hot is coming, the flow of BS threads seems reducing Vs the more possibly credible leaks.

Maybe there's something that can be linked to another thread speculating on video capabilities for the forthcoming new cam. Low voltage, video, those two could match.

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tissunique Veteran Member • Posts: 3,321
Re: Come on guys, don't be so...

Well, I can believe it. Canon has got to come up with something pretty special to overcome high level camera sales woes and at the same time hit the D700 hard. In fact I think it would be quite clever; it would be difficult to introduce an updated version of the 1D MKIII so soon, especially since there are still niggling problems out there and they are still fixing mirrors. Buyers of the MKIII would be justifiably annoyed at an updated model. The answer? Bring out a new '5D' with 2 options - one aimed at the 1D MKIII market with bells and whistles and with market-leading ISO performance. The other version aimed at the D700 market at higher resolution. This still leaves the 1DS MKIII at the top of their range. Therefore expect full weather-sealing, crop factor and God-knows what else...
The new model(s) may even hit the D3 market

We shall see.

Tony

Camillo Contributing Member • Posts: 870
Re: Come on guys, don't be so...

I think Canon will probably throw in more megapixels at you! or rather said, another gymick camera full of megapixels like the 1ds III, if it's pixels were worth the bunch, they would be comparable to medium format in low ISO at least.

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Mr EG Regular Member • Posts: 354
how so

Konrad-W wrote:

This is an information from a Canon insider in Germany. I don't know
if it's true but this person seems to be trustworthy. A friend of
this person knew for example about 1D Mk3 before the official
announcements.

Well the information is that Canon is currently testing 3 new
cameras. 2 of them are the successor of 5D, one "1" model. 2 of these
camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise.

if it has low voltage wouldn't that mean the the signal to noise ratio will be smaller and as a result have MORE noise

At least one of them ("1"
series) have only 10 Mpix, but no noise at all!!! There is also an
info, that there ist "something else".

I repeat: i don't know this Canon insider, the person who posted it
on a closed photography forum is very serious, and the insider seems
to be thrustworthy (1D Mk3 info before official announcements). I
give no guarantee on this information. It's just a new, but very
interesting rumor.

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24Peter
24Peter Veteran Member • Posts: 4,696
Re: how so

Mr EG wrote:

camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise.

if it has low voltage wouldn't that mean the the signal to noise
ratio will be smaller and as a result have MORE noise

Well I'm no electronics expert, but I think lower voltage = more efficient processor = less noise. But in any event, if Canon is just now testing these cameras, I would think it doesn't bode well for release this year...
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maxz Veteran Member • Posts: 3,479
Aren't we desperate

Give me a break... if canon had something like this up their sleeves they would have advertised it to h*ll as soon as they had something come remotely close.

Remember that much hyped low noise 50MP FF sensor? Where is it in the production pipeline and where is my sample images?

We've had this '3d' rumor since years ago and it turned out to be the 5D which is far from being the D-EOS3. Yes I believe they have different versions of 5D replacement being tested. But don't have unrealistic expectations.

Max

Konrad-W wrote:

This is an information from a Canon insider in Germany. I don't know
if it's true but this person seems to be trustworthy. A friend of
this person knew for example about 1D Mk3 before the official
announcements.

Well the information is that Canon is currently testing 3 new
cameras. 2 of them are the successor of 5D, one "1" model. 2 of these
camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise. At least one of them ("1"
series) have only 10 Mpix, but no noise at all!!! There is also an
info, that there ist "something else".

I repeat: i don't know this Canon insider, the person who posted it
on a closed photography forum is very serious, and the insider seems
to be thrustworthy (1D Mk3 info before official announcements). I
give no guarantee on this information. It's just a new, but very
interesting rumor.

-
Konrad

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European Union
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hamo Regular Member • Posts: 247
Re: how so

interestingly, and without stirring up a furore about it all over again, since we all sort of know a new camera is undoubtedly on the way to succeed the 5D, eventually one day(!), thats a given but I have been hearing grumblings of a high resolution body (more than the 20-odd mpix sensor of the 1ds3) being developed by canon. mainly for studio stuff as a medium back a la leaf style but maybe without the hefty price tag(!). whether this holds any remote truth remains to be seen but its something that I've been hearing about that seems unattached to any hype at all in fact quite level headed discussions (against things like the recent 700D and what people expect in a 5d-mkII-thing...). probably a chance prototype/test some time ago that deemed no hole in the market for such a thing yet but maybe one day...?

if this is one of these '3 tested cameras' then fair enough. otherwise use whats here now then move on up when the time comes...you can't use what's not there!

Andreas Helke Senior Member • Posts: 1,204
Re: how so

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1D_MkIV.html

About a year ago there was already talk about much better quality low voltage sensors in Canons labs. Maybe they are now ready for the market earlier than expected.

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robind75 Regular Member • Posts: 153
Re: Come on guys, don't be so...

Hi,

there are just way too much rumors going in different directions to make any sense at all.

Step back a little and think. Would Canon announce 3 different bodies at Photokina, when they are struggling to have the comsumer-targeted 1000D available before summer ? How does it fit with CanonRumors' of 3D/6D 2-body combo, with carefully selected feature limitations and prices, while integrating HD video on top of it ?

This is total non-sense to me, we are not discussing about Canon, are we really ? Some people are playing with your nerves, whoever that is.

Regards,

OliverCardona Regular Member • Posts: 316
Re: New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

I repeat: i don't know this Canon insider, the person who posted it
on a closed photography forum is very serious,

If he is serious, he won't be leaking any info.

All these rumours just mean one thing - Canon users are desperate for something new and ground breaking from Canon

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Re: how so

24Peter wrote:

Mr EG wrote:

camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise.

if it has low voltage wouldn't that mean the the signal to noise
ratio will be smaller and as a result have MORE noise

Well I'm no electronics expert, but I think lower voltage = more
efficient processor = less noise. But in any event, if Canon is just
now testing these cameras, I would think it doesn't bode well for
release this year...

The processor would only have an effect on noise if these new cameras have noise reduction in the digital domain. Generally speaking high voltage = more efficient processing (digital or analog) but also means more heat, so as chip densities go up, voltages are reduced to stop them melting. It's hard to see what noise advantages would accrue from lower voltages, unless there is something pretty radical going on in the digital domain. If Canon is moving to lower voltages for sensors, it is likely to be for reasons of better systems integration with the rest of a low voltage system. It could jus be confusion about messages emerging from Canon. They are known to be preparing to move their P&S line from Sony CCD's to Canon CMOS sensors. These would be 'low voltage' compared to the CCD's. perhaps someone's seen that mentioned in a canon document and built it into a rumour about low voltage sensor technologies.

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kinoshnik Regular Member • Posts: 134
Just something from Canon...

Not necessarily ground breaking but enough to decide what to do next..

Carl Contributing Member • Posts: 610
Re: New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

All these rumours just mean one thing - Canon users are desperate
for something new and ground breaking from Canon

Fully agree, but I for my part have already lost any believe that Canon can do something ground breaking. Even if they bring a super low noise sensor, to be able to compete with the D700 they would have to catch up in some many ways - being realisitic Canon is currently just not able to do this.

I have been a long time 5D user, but since I got a D300 my eyes were opened how a camera should be designed and built.

Carl

Daniel Clune
Daniel Clune Veteran Member • Posts: 3,453
Re: New rumor - Canon testing 3 new cameras, low voltage CMOS, no noise!

Well the information is that Canon is currently testing 3 new
cameras. 2 of them are the successor of 5D, one "1" model. 2 of these
camerase are equipped with a new low voltage full frame CMOS sensors
which have no (or very very low) noise. At least one of them ("1"
series) have only 10 Mpix, but no noise at all!!! There is also an
info, that there ist "something else".

So does this mean the rumor is that 2 new cameras will be released or just one?? Plus is it saying that a new 1 series camera is coming out plus a 5d replacement?

I doubt they will be replacing any 1 series this soon. Have at least another year before that. a N version might appear but generaly N version is just minor improvements not a new sensor.

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