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Glen Barrington
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Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

I'm not saying she is no good. From what I've seen, she does alright. But in all truth, I just don't see the reasons for this near deification.

I wonder how often photos become 'special' simply because we expect to see something 'special' in them.

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Jim Salvas
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Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

I've posted my opinion of Leibovitz on another thread, so I won't repeat myself.

However, why should we sling arrows at her for building a successful career? There are darned few photographers who achieve such prominence that their names are known to even a fraction of those who have come to know her.

Seeing her, more people may be encouraged to try photography and maybe even - wonder of wonders - learn something about lighting. Or try portraiture. Or just take a photo class.

Even if she were overrated, her prominence would be good for photography. And that means it's good for the rest of us.
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Zone8 Forum Pro • Posts: 17,276
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

Whatever anyone´s opinion is of anyone or anything is purely their own .... opinion.

My concern is more a question of why anyone wants to criticise another and their work. This is especially so when timing is also of the essence - meaning when the other photographer´s work was done.

I´m afraid that too many proffer opinions - without also accompanying their criticism with images of their own to back up any ability to criticise.

Unfortunately, it seems everyone is a critic - which is fine if the opinions are kept to oneself but human nature being what it is .....

My opinion - for what it´s worth - is those that can - DO ..... those that can´t ....

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Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

Zone8 wrote:

Whatever anyone´s opinion is of anyone or anything is purely their
own .... opinion.

My concern is more a question of why anyone wants to criticise
another and their work. This is especially so when timing is also of
the essence - meaning when the other photographer´s work was done.

If you re-read my post, you will realize I have neither criticized her work OR her character. What I have criticized is other people's reaction to her work.

I´m afraid that too many proffer opinions - without also accompanying
their criticism with images of their own to back up any ability to
criticise.

I know you don't mean me. My work is available for criticism and has been for quite some time.

Unfortunately, it seems everyone is a critic - which is fine if the
opinions are kept to oneself but human nature being what it is .....

Opinions are not meant to be kept to oneself. That's what conversation is all about. as is the whole concept of artistic dialog.

My opinion - for what it´s worth - is those that can - DO ..... those
that can´t ....

My opinion, those who merely try deserve a seat at the table. Photo-snobs who only want THEIR opinions to be heard, have . . . issues.

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1eyedjack Senior Member • Posts: 1,012
Annie Leibovitz

She can't be too bad when she gets her work put on FRONT COVERS

of well known magazines. Is yours on "any" covers ??

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Jim Radcliffe
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Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?... No

I don't think so. She does what she does and she does it well.

One of the things that can happen is being in the right place at the right time.. you shoot a few covers because you were there, they are well received and you get a bit more business because of it, you do a show, you get more business, you get more business because of the previous business, you shoot rock stars and movie stars, you become the star's photographer.. you get more business.. and on and on it goes.

You get a name and people remember it and associate it with great photographs.. they come to you and before you know it a legend is born.

This does not mean that Annie did not put in lots of work and effort to get where she is today but I doubt if it all came about by her own hand.

Is the next Annie Leibovitz waiting to get lucky and famous.. yep, she's out there.
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Mustafa Senior Member • Posts: 1,327
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?... No

Having recently visited the Vanity Fair exhibit at the National Portrait Gallery, I'd say no, she's not overrated, at least compared to others whose work was featured.
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shay guevara Senior Member • Posts: 1,397
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

What near deification?
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refrigerator Regular Member • Posts: 154
Yes

I detest her work. It's completely the opposite of any photography that's actually art, that actually addresses the human condition, instead of bland portraits made just to glorify and idolatrize a bunch of celebrities.

WBirch Senior Member • Posts: 2,836
She takes photos?

Glen Barrington wrote:

I'm not saying she is no good. From what I've seen, she does
alright. But in all truth, I just don't see the reasons for this
near deification.

I've always seen her as cranky miserable celebrity bitching about
everything possible. She's a photographer?! I need to be more
miserable I guess...

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Staxis Veteran Member • Posts: 3,129
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

In my opinion, yes she is overrated. She is very good at what she does whether it is to your taste or not.

But what she is even better at is marketing - I don't know if she is resonsible for this or others under her control or not. Her work gets out there where it gets noticed most. Also she is not afraid to appear in the media. She knows that it is not about how good you are, it is about being a brand.

You could make the same arguement about many people in many fields. For instance, is Damien Hurst a good artist? I know what I think. The main thing is that his work is out there and there is hype.
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Re: Yes

refrigerator wrote:

I detest her work. It's completely the opposite of any photography
that's actually art, that actually addresses the human condition,
instead of bland portraits made just to glorify and idolatrize a
bunch of celebrities.

Art does not have to address the human condition. In fact, very little of the art created throughout history did so, and most of it glorified rulers, rich men, and religious figures (saints, God, etc). The idea of art adressing the human condition is relatively recent in art history, and though such works were created before the 20th century, it wasn't until the 20th that the human condition became a widely portrayed subject matter for art. Some art historians say that photography was responsible for that new direction in art. In any case, art can certainly glorify celebrities and still be art, even good art. As far as such art goes, I prefer Richard Avedon over A.L, but that's my opinion.
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Glen ....

... I was speaking with tongue firmly in cheek.
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I'm a little dissapointed in all the responses so far. . .

Some good points were made, but to me, the thrust of my OP was the second paragraph. The question, "Do we see something special in some photographs because we are TOLD there is something special in there?'

Oh, we all say, "not me!" But how do we KNOW for sure?
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morninglight Senior Member • Posts: 1,288
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

Whether or not one likes her work, she has certainly had an impact. Her early work with Rolling stone, her other commercial/magazine work, then Vanity Fair period. Then with Vanity Fair and other clients, her use of tableaux vivants, for environmental portraiture, rather than how Joel Peter Witkin uses them.

She is in essence, the successor to Richard Averdon, and to a small part Arnold Newman, at least amongst editors, and the general public.

When you have that kind of stylist impact, it kind of clouds the concept of over-rated.

But it is nice to see a change here from the usual thread of this type, i.e. "Is ansel Adams over-rated?"

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Danlo Regular Member • Posts: 322
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

Yes.

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hbx2004 Veteran Member • Posts: 3,162
My opinion (because I have one)

Hi Glen,

Glen Barrington wrote:

... The question, "Do we see something special in some
photographs because we are TOLD there is something special in there?'

I understand your question as very valid. I'm not going directly into A.Liebovitz's work (which I don't know well, nor am I much interested on).

Usually we "read somewhere", "we hear other people say",... and usually we somehow (must) agree. Like one poster said: "..she covers her photos in popular magazines... what about your photos?" -which should imply, who are you (or me), to judge her work.

My opinion is, many don't realize, that usually there's more about (good) promoting herself/himself than taking "state of the art" photos -one simply can't be recognized as "the" photographer, without promoting. As example: (I assume) nobody will criticize how good/bad photos of the Queen are... important is: "she" took those (btw. I saw that event on TV).

I'm not saying all reputable photographers are bad or good... or whatever. Important is, one must have his/her own opinion about someones work -after studying it.. and trying to learn while doing that. Without your own opinion, you become believer... you'll always see yourself inferior... you won't learn much.

Of course, when saying "you", I don't mean you directly, but speak in general

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poliscijustin Veteran Member • Posts: 5,512
Re: Is Annie Leibovitz overrated?

I don't know that she is overrated. She does pretty good portraits, and like others have said, is good at self promotion.

I think one thing that people miss with her (and many other famous photographers) is that there is alot of mimicry of the style afterwards. I think in the context of the times, she was fairly innovative.

Consensus Trance Regular Member • Posts: 342
Her recent work is some of the best still photography

that has ever been created. She has the resources to create images that we can't even dream about making. The recent series of Nicole Kidman is just so perfectly crafted it blows my mind...it's just clean clean clean. A lot of it is post production and high budgets instead of lighting and camera skills...but so what....the final images that she is currently creating are something that 99.9% of photographers can't even begin to compete with...

Her early work was probably only popular because of the celebrity factor. But so what? Who cares?. I think people take this stuff a little too seriously sometimes.

WBirch Senior Member • Posts: 2,836
Please excuse my ignorance

I thought you were talking about another person with a
similar name. I have no opinion as to the photographer "Annie Leibovitz".

Sorry.

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