Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

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Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 40,848
Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

This is what this website is claiming, tentatively:

http://www.printerville.net/2008/05/26/first-look-at-epson-stylus-photo-r2880/

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
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makes a good photograph.'

Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 20,397
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Interesting comment in the article:

"The printer’s ink cartridges are the same capacity [as the R2400] (between 13 ml and 15 ml, depending upon the source)....."

Is this really true, or are they referring to 3rd party cartridges?

Vincent's review says that the 2880 cartridges are 11ml.
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jeffpc2000 Forum Member • Posts: 79
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Raist3d wrote:

This is what this website is claiming, tentatively:

http://www.printerville.net/2008/05/26/first-look-at-epson-stylus-photo-r2880/

Title says "First Look" maybe they have to take a second look
to me it doesn’t add up what they say about even ink distribution etc.

Get CIS and you will really start printing...

I will be writing post about my new CIS soon. I thought I will be printing 2-3 pictures a week, in 2 days I already managed to print 50 8.5x11 and about 200 4x6

futile32 Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

looks like they looked again

[Updated May 28, 15:00 PST to add correct ink cartridge capacity data, courtesy of Epson UK.]

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OP Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 40,848
Yeah, they did ;-) but....

they still stand by their findings.... their findings are irrelevant of ml in the tanks.
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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
Andreas Feininger (1906-1999) 'Photographers — idiots, of which there are
so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'

Vincent Oliver
Vincent Oliver Senior Member • Posts: 1,502
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

I do not agree with their findings, I have published screen shots showing ink levels and how many prints have been acheived.

The bottom line is quality rather than quantity, and this respect the R2880 does deliver.
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Rick1254 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Vincent:

In no way was I trying to cast aspersions on your results or your review. My results were with a second set of full ink cartridges - after I had run through a large part of the initial set (which we know primes the system). With that set - and using the same methodology with the R2400 - the R2880 output 80 prints ranging in size from 4x6 (inches) to 13x19, with most prints in the letter/tabloid size. The R2400 would only do 48 before I had to change a cartridge.

I'm still testing, and as I noted in the article (I thought I put enough caveats in, but obviously not ;), this was a first look. I'm in agreement with your general conclusions regarding the R2880.

best,
Rick LePage
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OP Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 40,848
Thank you both for chiming in....

If the R2880 yield is indeed improved I am interested in it, otherwise I will pass.

I am trying to see if it's cheaper than to say order prints at "The Icon" (La) or "Calypso" (Bay Area).

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
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so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'

Svein Eriksen Senior Member • Posts: 1,968
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

I assume the 11ml Vincent quote is numbers from the Epson? It wouldn't be the first time if the numbers from a manufacturer is wrong (Camera makers never gets it right). Couldn't you just wheigh a full and an empty catridge? Preferably do the same with R2400 ones. Woudn't take much time and then we'd know for sure. 2-3ml doesn't sound like much of a difference, but in this case it's actually 20-30%.

KWagner Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Svein Eriksen wrote:

Couldn't you just wheigh a
full and an empty catridge? Preferably do the same with R2400 ones.
Woudn't take much time and then we'd know for sure.

Good idea, but I think you would need to know what the relationship of volume (ml) to weight (g) is for the ink being weighed in order to convert weight into ml.

Leon Wittwer Forum Pro • Posts: 13,450
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

The cartridge set that came with my 2200 and 2400 apparently were only about half full as compared to later cartridges. Hopefully, this did not confuse folk's measurements. My 2200 provided about 1000 square inches of print per average cartridge. The 2400 seems similar although I did not keep accurate statistics for that printer.
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Dominic.Chan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,168
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Leon Wittwer wrote:

The cartridge set that came with my 2200 and 2400 apparently were
only about half full as compared to later cartridges.

The Epson cartridge sizes have been shrinking with each new generation:

2100/2200 - 17 ml
R1800 and R2400 - 13 ml
1400 and r2880 - 11 ml

Mustafa Senior Member • Posts: 1,327
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

What is your source for these capacity figures?
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Dominic.Chan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,168
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

Mustafa wrote:

What is your source for these capacity figures?

The Epson Germany site lists the capacities of the cartridge, presumably by law.

Svein Eriksen Senior Member • Posts: 1,968
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

To convert to ml yes, but not to compare the two printers.

KWagner wrote:

I think you would need to know what the relationship
of volume (ml) to weight (g) is for the ink being weighed in order to
convert weight into ml.

HoustonPhographer New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks?

I am getting back into Photography after many years and I am looking for a good printer. I have decided on the Epson 2400, but now would like your opinion on which printer to purchase- the 2400 or the new 2880? I would like a printer that has sellable quality for both color and B/W. I can purchase a 2400 for $600. Is there a big enough difference between the printers for the price difference? You and the forums opinions would be appreciated.

Rick1254 New Member • Posts: 3
Re: Epson R2880 - twice the yield as R2400 w/ same inks? Not really.

We posted a correction to the original post, with some new data that is similar to what Vincent found in his review.

http://www.printerville.net/2008/06/04/some-ideas-about-measuring-ink-cartridge-life/

We're looking for feedback to help further refine the overall topic of getting to accurate ink yields for photo inkjets. Comments are welcome.

Thanks,
Rick LePage
printerville.net

OP Raist3d Forum Pro • Posts: 40,848
Thanks Rick!

I am dissapointed Epson didn't deliver there but oh well.

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Raist3d (Photog. Student & Tools/Systems/Gui Games Developer)
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so many — say, “Oh, if only I had a Nikon or a Leica, I could make great
photographs.” That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. It’s
nothing but a matter of seeing, and thinking, and interest. That’s what
makes a good photograph.'

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