24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Started Apr 15, 2008 | Discussions
Philips53 Regular Member • Posts: 238
Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Would it be more possible to have a 24MP D3X which had a 6MP mode that would do 12 FPS and extremely good Hi ISO performance?

Steven

It'd be impressive if the D3 could be both a 12MP low light/high fps and a 24MP good light/higher resolution camera as an menu option.

Guy Swarbrick
Guy Swarbrick Veteran Member • Posts: 4,448
Me too...

I'm going to wait for the D∞ which will have gigapixel resolution, shoot noiselessly at 1000fps at ISO10,000,000,000 and use quantum compression to deliver all of this on 1Mb RAW files, with a million frame buffer. Then I'm going to complain that I still can't take great shots with the lens cap on...

In the meantime - NURSE! I NEED ANOTHER ONE OF MY PILLS....

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Jonathan F/2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,197
Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Good, I hope the D3X comes out soon and drives D3 prices well below $4000. If it gets down to about $3500.00 that will definitely be in my buying range. That means I can probably pick one up used around $2500.00! Then I'll laugh at the early adopters for being such must-have consumer gadget geeks!

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Guy Swarbrick
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Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Jonathan F/2 wrote:

Then I'll laugh at the early adopters for being such
must-have consumer gadget geeks!

You do that. I'll keep taking photos with a camera that has already more than paid for itself at the price I paid...

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Alexandre Vaz Forum Member • Posts: 94
Re: Which song?

Naaa...

"one trick pony" it's the one he is talking about...

Jack_DC wrote:

Georgi wrote:

50 ways to leave your lover?

Nice one!

Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: Other concerns?

Mel wrote:

Of whether or not this current sensor will be configured to be a DX
model D3X instead of what we are all expecting to be a FF or FX
model?

FX and DX, just like the D3. You can see that from the file sizes, actually.

That maybe the code hasn't been jumbled after all and in fact
the current sensor was originally meant to be multiplied somehow.

Unlikely, or else the new firmware would suddenly make that available on the current D3 bodies already out there (otherwise there wouldn't have been a reason for including those values in the new firmware).

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Joe Braun
Joe Braun Senior Member • Posts: 1,432
Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Agreed. I bought the D2X when it was $5000 and it paid for itself in a few months. For some of us time and photo opportunities are more important than waiting a year or more to save a few bucks.
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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: What has Sony got to do with this?

Denyerec wrote:

I was under the impression that the D3 sensor was produced by Nikon,
and the D300 sensor was Sony's doing.

Correct.

What Sony has to do with the 24mp sensor is probably the same thing we've seen before: from my reading of the file sizes, Nikon is going to have a VARIANT of the new Sony sensor, one that does DX/5:4 ratios, possibly with higher frame rates.

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Bob Howland Senior Member • Posts: 2,858
Maybe I'll be able to get a new 1DsMkIII for $5000 now

Or maybe Canon will stick a 21MP sensor into a 5D-class body!

Go Nikon! Go Sony!

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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: Different sensor

jeff-c wrote:

6048x4032 24.4 M

Comparing this to the Sony announced commodity sensor:

  1. Total number of pixels 6236 (H) x 4124 (V) approx. 25.72M pixels

  2. Number of effective pixels 6104 (H) x 4064 (V) approx. 24.81M pixels

  3. Number of active pixels 6096 (H) x 4056 (V) approx. 24.73M pixels

Nikon has almost always used different sensor masking than Sony's tech specifications suggest.

Also this D3(X) firmware resolutions include the 5:4 aspect so I am
quite confident it's a custom built sensor to Nikon's specification
instead of that commodity Sony sensor.

Agree. Both DX and 5:4 sizes seem to be there, which means we're going to see the same thing we've seen before (last time was the D2x sensor, which appeared in the Sony R1 body under a less specified form).

Also in the rumor mill is a cheapo FF body in the work.

Yep. But I still hear this as being further out than the D3x.

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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: Actually 2..

M Lammerse wrote:

The rumour mill (well a Japanese one...) says there are 2 in the
works, a competitor for the upcoming replacement of the 5D
named 6D or 7D) entry level full frame camera, with a sensor between
18-20 MP and a full frame professional model, with a 24 MP sensor. I
guess we'll hear more during Fotokina

Specifically, 18mp.

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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Diego Sevilla wrote:

Ahh, too bad, Nikon! Canon firmware is encrypted! They should start
doing it from now on. It is a way of not only not leaking this kind
of information, but you can disassemble the code and insert a new
firmware to the machine... Not bad from hackers' PoV, but not too
good for Nikon...

Encryption is the rage in software due to the DMCA, which has explicit penalties for de-crypting.

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J Mankila
J Mankila Veteran Member • Posts: 4,234
An 18MP FX entry level Nikon?

I'm salivating. By the time it's published, I've probably dried up...

Well, the question is exactly what is considered 'entry level'. Magnesium alloy body? Pentaprism viewfinder? AI coupling? Rubber grip? Same AF system as in the D300 and D3?

And the most important question for me is... Will it work well the 25-50 f/4 ?! Björn said the D3 doesn't, so that got me a bit worried... :

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Tizzio
Tizzio Senior Member • Posts: 2,088
Cost math - D3x

So if the D3x is really coming, Nikon's pricing strategy for direct competitor...D3 to 1D3 is $5000 : $4500...so the D3x : 1Ds3 = $8500: $7500, more or less.

Gosh, 8.5k a pop!!! without a lens!!! lol

Robert Schultz Regular Member • Posts: 146
Re: open firmware , SDK

for firmware, instead of locked down,

I'd like an open approach, with SDK support,

take a look at phones,...

that would bring features, and custom functions, much faster to the user,
but also new stuff.
Nikon could still be in control , be only releasing approved plugins.

rhlpetrus Forum Pro • Posts: 25,859
same here!

J Mankila wrote:

I'm salivating. By the time it's published, I've probably dried up...

Same here!

Well, the question is exactly what is considered 'entry level'.
Magnesium alloy body? Pentaprism viewfinder? AI coupling? Rubber
grip? Same AF system as in the D300 and D3?

Probably about same body and specs as D300, except for fps (more like 5fps at most).

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Redteg94 Senior Member • Posts: 1,546
Re: 24.4 MP Nikon D3X DSLR on the way?

Wasn't this already expected? As soon as I saw the Sony 24MP FF sensor I was sure it would find it's way into a Nikon Body, as well as the Sony A900(?). Though, I did expect the Sony to be available earlier, as if they want to compete in the DSLR wars they really should be keeping some of their tech to themselves, no?
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Mel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,716
Re: Other concerns?

Hummmm, then we are left with the previously mentioned scenario of the D3X code being there along with what was meant and applicable to the current firmware update. Extra baggage if you will for perhaps marketing purposes or simply missed?

What is most interesting to me is that the designation is on this D3 sensor code. I must defer to your experience and knowledge (as well as others) in this matter, BUT, would it be impossible to have our current D3's turned into D3X's with yet another update? Taken from the 1DsMKIII specs, we have 6.4 µm pixel pitch for roughly 21 megapixels. I wonder what pixel pitch roughly 24MP would be on our current D3 sensors? Without analyzing the sensor itself, would it be known that the D3 sensor was also set up for a smaller pixel pitch?

Science is producing great wonders these days and I would be far removed from saying (based on what we currently know), that such a creation was impossible. If someone had suggested that Nikon was going to release a model with the ISO capabilities we enjoy with the D3, coupled with the speed available and buffer size. I believe we would have read far more negatvie here to the idea than positive. But again, this is from a very non technical viewpoint.
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Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: Other concerns?

Mel wrote:

Hummmm, then we are left with the previously mentioned scenario of
the D3X code being there along with what was meant and applicable to
the current firmware update. Extra baggage if you will for perhaps
marketing purposes or simply missed?

I'll repeat what I said, only with more words ; ). It's likely that Nikon has some D3x prototypes in the field or is about to seed them into the field. They would be labeled and look exactly like a D3. From the outside you wouldn't know the difference. However, if the firmware for the two cameras is near identical, then by including the D3x stuff in the D3 update you'd likely be able to have all your field testers update as well. That's the best possible scenario. The worst possible scenario is that this is no more than the same thing we've seen on the Web site: someone coding stuff in anticipation of future products and forgetting to hide it. Either way would indicate a D3x announcement is not far off.

BUT, would it be impossible to have our
current D3's turned into D3X's with yet another update? Taken from
the 1DsMKIII specs, we have 6.4 µm pixel pitch for roughly 21
megapixels. I wonder what pixel pitch roughly 24MP would be on our
current D3 sensors?

Go read the post with the math in it. But I'll summarize here: IF the D3 used binning ala the original D1, then you'd get DOUBLE the pixels in BOTH directions by un-binning. If the D3 used binning ala the D1x, then you'd get double the pixels in only one direction. Neither case matches the numbers now in the firmware; not even close. Moreover, the ADC would suddenly have to become 2x or 4x faster or the frame rates would have to go down by 2x or 4x.

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Rootbeer Senior Member • Posts: 2,311
I was saying this months ago..

AxelR wrote:

The following strings are in the D3's B-firmware file v1.10, starting
at offet 3'614'640:

6048x4032 24.4 M
4544x3024 13.7 M
3024x2016 6.1 M
5056x4032 20.4 M
3792x3024 11.5 M
2528x2016 5.1 M
3968x2640 10.5 M
2976x1976 5.9 M
1984x1320 2.6 M
D3X

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=24702543

Believe me now..?

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