D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

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Carl Contributing Member • Posts: 610
D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

Not sure why the "D300 8fps" postings yesterday didn't get that much attention. Probably most people didn't realize it was done without the vertical grip and with the standard D300 battery.

I recommend to check these posts, it was not a 1 of April joke. It works. You just need to set E5 and E6 to flash only, don't pop up the flash, set the exposure to "M" and the release mode to "S" (single shot), activate bracketing and set it to 9F. Then you hold the bracketing button (normally mapped to the function button) down and at the same time the release button. The 9 shots (all with the same exposure you have manually selected) are fired at 8 frames per second instead of the normal 6 fps. After the 9 shots you have to release and press again the shutter button to get additional 9 shots.

Without this settings (also in "P" mode) you can get also continuous 8 frames per second if you are able to press the shutter release 8 times per second.

Cheers

Carl

Jessie Anderson
Jessie Anderson Senior Member • Posts: 1,516
Interesting...

It's interesting - Nikon purposely made the D300 shoot at 6fps so you'd be force to buy the add-ons. I'ts interesting. Wouldn't suprise me too much however.
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jeffjmr Contributing Member • Posts: 602
Hmmm. Won't work for me.

Doesn't work on mine. I get one frame only.

Recap: e5-Flash only; e6, flash only, function button (bracket) held in; release mode "S", Manual Mode, 1/8000 sec.

I only get one frame.

Did Firmware 1.02 make it go away?

Tried MF lens, older AF and D lenses, same result.

Jeff

ThomasMiller Senior Member • Posts: 2,735
Uh Oh

Tried it and now all my menus are in Yiddish.

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Carl OP Contributing Member • Posts: 610
Re: Hmmm. Won't work for me.

Hi Jeff,

your settings seem to be right. Here is my additional config:

f4: FUNC. button press: BKT
f4: FUNC. button + dials: BKT

Then with the func button + dial I select "9F" as the bracketing mode, and finally I hold the func button and release button pressed at the same time.

I have Firmware 1.01.

Carl

Carl OP Contributing Member • Posts: 610
Re: Uh Oh

Tried it and now all my menus are in Yiddish.

Good joke. The D300 does not support Yiddish...

Carl

nilocc New Member • Posts: 22
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

AMAZING !!! This really does work, thank you.

sdevan45 Regular Member • Posts: 204
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

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Carl OP Contributing Member • Posts: 610
Re: Hmmm. Won't work for me.

Hi Jeff,

try also setting NEF to 12 Bit (in case you are using 14 Bit) and deactivating D-Lighting.

Carl

Lone_Ranger Forum Member • Posts: 84
Adding this to 'My Thread'
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HIGHEND
HIGHEND Regular Member • Posts: 236
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

Carl wrote:

Not sure why the "D300 8fps" postings yesterday didn't get that much
attention. Probably most people didn't realize it was done without
the vertical grip and with the standard D300 battery.

I recommend to check these posts, it was not a 1 of April joke. It
works. You just need to set E5 and E6 to flash only, don't pop up the
flash, set the exposure to "M" and the release mode to "S" (single
shot), activate bracketing and set it to 9F. Then you hold the
bracketing button (normally mapped to the function button) down and
at the same time the release button. The 9 shots (all with the same
exposure you have manually selected) are fired at 8 frames per second
instead of the normal 6 fps. After the 9 shots you have to release
and press again the shutter button to get additional 9 shots.

Without this settings (also in "P" mode) you can get also continuous
8 frames per second if you are able to press the shutter release 8
times per second.

Cheers

Carl

Thank you Carl,
Works for me.

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BasilG Veteran Member • Posts: 6,375
Slightly disappointing...

... that Nikon apparently crippled the camera on purpose (no, I haven't tried it myself - yet ). Wondering whether you could make the camera believe that there is a grip with batteries attached, somehow.

BG

legui Contributing Member • Posts: 730
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

Oh my...!
I tested on my D300 and it actually works!!
Amazing...
Now, i am concern if you use this "bug" as normal... can you damage the camera?

Also, if this cant damage your camera... Nikon: are you cheating on us? The camera really can do 8fps without the expensive combo of the battery pack and etc... This is a big lie.
Incredibly.
What were you doing to discover this bug? First of all thanks!!
I am really astonished.
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denooyer Regular Member • Posts: 314
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

Personally, I still don't understand why the extra 2 frames/second are worth this much of forumspace.. especially not when you have to do all this:

You just need to set E5 and E6 to flash only, don't pop up the flash, set the exposure to "M" and the release mode to "S" (single shot), activate bracketing and set it to 9F. Then you hold the bracketing button (normally mapped to the function button) down and at the same time the release button. The 9 shots (all with the same exposure you have manually selected) are fired at 8 frames per second instead of the normal 6 fps. After the 9 shots you have to release and press again the shutter button to get additional 9 shots.

If you want speed, go get a D3..

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jeffjmr Contributing Member • Posts: 602
Re: Hmmm. Won't work for me.

Did all the above. No dice.

Jeff

Peter Davis Senior Member • Posts: 1,171
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

Confirmed, it works! Wow, the sound of 8fps is something else!

NOTE, SETTING E4 AND E5 ARE NOT REQUIRED FOR 8 FPS.

They're only needed if you want to shoot with the same exposure for each shot. The 8fps hack doesn't require them.

Here is my full list of settings required for the hack. Everything else is optional depending on what you want to achieve.

  • S drive mode (not CH mode!)

  • Auto Bracketing = 9F (for 9 shots at 8fps)

  • Bracket Burst

  • No flash

  • No continuous AF**

The last point can be achieved by several means:

  • AF-S mode

  • Manual focus lens

  • AF-C with AF-ON only (setting A5 to OFF), without pressing the AF-ON button

(This is the mode I use all the time anyway -- try it if you haven't already.)

Optional settings:

  • M mode with E5 to Flash Only. This gives the same exposure for each shot.

  • P/A/S mode with E4 to Flash Only. This allows continuous metering. (I'm not convinced this works very well.)

Actually, it does seem to work with AF-C and AF-ON, but it totally stalls if it has to refocus. In other words, it will work if continuously focusing on a motionless object (but what's the point?). If the object moves, then instead of 6fps, you get nothing.

This leads to my theory that with the EN-EL3 battery, the underlying D300 hardware can EITHER:

  • Shoot at 8fps

  • Autofocus continuously

But not both.

So this hack does not completely uncripple the camera. Continuous AF does not work. This makes the hack (almost) useless for sports shooters, who are the primary market for 8fps with the grip.

Here's my theory:

  • Using Bracket Burst bypasses a software limitation.

  • HOWEVER, Nikon did not artificially cripple the camera.

  • 8fps WITH CONTINUOUS AF may indeed require more power from the battery.

  • If that is true, then I understand why Nikon would limit it to 6fps at all other times, for consistency and clarity.

Can you imagine how the manual would read, otherwise?
Right now it's pretty simple:

"6fps, or 8fps with battery pack."

With "artificial" limitation removed:

"6fps, or 8fps with battery pack, or 8fps with no continous autofocus." (Followed by a long and confusing explanation of all the possible settings to achieve this. Followed thereafter by angry users asking why their $2000 camera stalls out when shooting in CH + AF-C modes.)

Nikon has to preserve the image that its cameras are easy to use and understand wherever possible. From a UI perspective, this limitation is then pretty easy to understand.

Titai New Member • Posts: 5
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

yes
it's true ... work's fine

thank's
Titai

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lmpmd Veteran Member • Posts: 3,020
Re: D300 does 8fps without vertical grip

denooyer wrote:

Personally, I still don't understand why the extra 2 frames/second
are worth this much of forumspace.. especially not when you have to
do all this:

I'll tell you why this seems signif to me. Cause I would have to believe that it's possible to do a firmware update to get you the extra fps with little effort. When nikon has sold enough of the grips, they'll release it. Maybe they thought it would cripple D3 sales and grip sales to have it from the get go. They will have to word it carefully when they release the update not to anger people (that it wasn't there from the beginning. They'll say they just discovered a way to do it. This is good news.

BasilG Veteran Member • Posts: 6,375
Now that seems to make sense.

Good observations there. This is a likely explanation. Maybe they had to incorporate some kind of safety margin because other components (VR lenses?) may suck even more juice.

BG

S.A. Veteran Member • Posts: 4,072
Re: Interesting...

Jessie Anderson wrote:

It's interesting - Nikon purposely made the D300 shoot at 6fps so
you'd be force to buy the add-ons. I'ts interesting. Wouldn't
suprise me too much however.
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If what the OP claims actually works, then yes that's exactly what Nikon did. And it doesn't surprise me either.

Personally, I think we should barrage Nikon customer service with calls and e-mails asking why they crippled the fps in order to get people to buy the grip.

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