The Canon D60, underwater. :)

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Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft around the edges from the dome port.

The original, raw file can be found at:
http://wetpixel.com/echeng/forum_images/d60_squirrelfish_raw.jpg

Cropped from the original file (100%):

Peter Galbavy Senior Member • Posts: 1,040
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

Wonderful images. I expect this housing is (a) very limited in lens choice and (b) costs more than the camera ?

Have you a URL ?

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OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Peter -

UK Germany has a distributor in Canada, which is (I think) where Americans have to order the housing from. Europeans may be able to order directly from UK Germany. I'm not sure what the retail price is, but I believe that it is between $2500-$3000, not including the dome port and other accessories.

If you order one now, you will have to wait at least two months. I'm not sure why they take so long to produce, but the machined aluminum is a piece of art. Ikelite will make a D60 housing for you as well, for significantly less (around $1200 or so).

Here's UK Germany's housing link:
http://www.uk-germany.com/english/uwg_digital_canon_eosd30.html

And, just for fun, here's a pic of my housing and lights:

Peter Galbavy wrote:

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

Wonderful images. I expect this housing is (a) very limited in lens
choice and (b) costs more than the camera ?

Have you a URL ?

Steadman Uhlich Senior Member • Posts: 1,123
Nice Shot and Thanks for posting.

Hello Eric,

It seems you do get around (I remember your Kilimanjaro pics/story quite well)....I wish I could have done as much traveling as you have in the last couple of years...quite impressive!

Thanks for posting the underwater pics and the shot of the housing. I think that posts such as yours that show the cameras in use in more unusual circumstances (rather than a shot of a cat on a couch) are refreshing.

You say strobes, are they really? Or are they constant lights?

Regards,

Steadman

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

The original, raw file can be found at:
http://wetpixel.com/echeng/forum_images/d60_squirrelfish_raw.jpg

Cropped from the original file (100%):

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: Nice Shot and Thanks for posting.

Hey, Steadman -

We'll see if I can keep up my rate of travel.

They are strobes, but have constant modeling lights that can be turned on. You need a great deal of light to get properly lit subjects underwater.

Steadman Uhlich wrote:

Hello Eric,

It seems you do get around (I remember your Kilimanjaro pics/story
quite well)....I wish I could have done as much traveling as you
have in the last couple of years...quite impressive!

Thanks for posting the underwater pics and the shot of the housing.
I think that posts such as yours that show the cameras in use in
more unusual circumstances (rather than a shot of a cat on a couch)
are refreshing.

You say strobes, are they really? Or are they constant lights?

Regards,

Steadman

Adam Tow Regular Member • Posts: 325
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Eric:

Nice pictures. How long are your typical dives and have you experienced any problems with low batteries underwater yet?

-adam

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Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

sean Regular Member • Posts: 325
Re: cool

I've been pondering getting this housing, but I'd want to use it with the Canon 16-35L. Have you used this with any zoom lenses? I'm curious if a zoom requires a diopter adjuster, it's hard to tell from UK-Germany's Gernglish website ;-p. I've emailed Uwe a few times and it always take a month or two to get a reply!

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wynn ruji Regular Member • Posts: 155
Write-up?

Hi Adam,

Will you have a write-up on the site covering the last COBA meeting? The meetings from the March 7 meeting was the next best thing to actually being there.

I'm looking forward to finding out more about Eric's setup/experiences, etc.

Thanks,

Wynn

Adam Tow wrote:
Eric:

Nice pictures. How long are your typical dives and have you
experienced any problems with low batteries underwater yet?

-adam

======

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

Adam Tow Regular Member • Posts: 325
COBA User Group (Re: Write-up?)

Wynn:

Yes, I'll have something written up after our April 17th at Stanford University. More information on it here:

http://www.tow.com/photo/coba/

and in the COBA Discussion Forum:

http://www.tow.com/forum/

-adam

Wynn Ruji wrote:
Hi Adam,

Will you have a write-up on the site covering the last COBA
meeting? The meetings from the March 7 meeting was the next best
thing to actually being there.

I'm looking forward to finding out more about Eric's
setup/experiences, etc.

Thanks,

Wynn

Adam Tow wrote:
Eric:

Nice pictures. How long are your typical dives and have you
experienced any problems with low batteries underwater yet?

-adam

======

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

SKSuga Junior Member • Posts: 32
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Nothing jaw-dropping??? You must have stronger jaw muscles than I. Pics are amazing!

Q?: on the strobes: How do you like them? Are you using the slave sensor?

-Scott

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

The original, raw file can be found at:
http://wetpixel.com/echeng/forum_images/d60_squirrelfish_raw.jpg

Cropped from the original file (100%):

wynn ruji Regular Member • Posts: 155
Thanks

For some reason, I thought the meeting had already occurred.

Eric, thanks for posting the shots - they look great.

-Wynn

Adam Tow wrote:
Wynn:

Yes, I'll have something written up after our April 17th at
Stanford University. More information on it here:

http://www.tow.com/photo/coba/

and in the COBA Discussion Forum:

http://www.tow.com/forum/

-adam

Wynn Ruji wrote:
Hi Adam,

Will you have a write-up on the site covering the last COBA
meeting? The meetings from the March 7 meeting was the next best
thing to actually being there.

I'm looking forward to finding out more about Eric's
setup/experiences, etc.

Thanks,

Wynn

Adam Tow wrote:
Eric:

Nice pictures. How long are your typical dives and have you
experienced any problems with low batteries underwater yet?

-adam

======

Eric Cheng wrote:

Hey, guys - the Canon D60 is a perfect fit in UK Germany's Canon
D30 housing (except that the new on/off button can't be turned
while in the housing).

I've been underwater with it for six dives now, and... it rocks! I
don't have anything jaw-dropping yet, but you can see the images at:

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/
(images on and after April 3rd were taken with the D60)

I'll embed an example here, taken with two Ikelite DS125 strobes
and a Sigma 14mm lens at 1/80 F9 ISO100. It may be a bit soft
around the edges from the dome port.

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: cool

Hey, Sean -

Lead times on the housings are really long, unfortunately. I hope Uwe ramps up manufacturing!

The first time I used the housing was in Kona in November ( http://wetpixel.com/kona ). We used a 17-35L on that housing, but with a flat port, and it worked fine. Jim Watt uses his 17-35 with an extender and Nexus 8" dome port (with a Nexus dome port adapter he had machined locally on Kona), and he has had good results with it, with no dipoter adjusters, but he has to use one for his UK Germany EOS 3 housing for some reason (it's the old cast housing -- not nearly as nice as the new machined one).

Anyway, the 16-35L would be a perfect lens for this camera. I might try to get the proper ports for it for a future trip.

sean wrote:

I've been pondering getting this housing, but I'd want to use it
with the Canon 16-35L. Have you used this with any zoom lenses? I'm
curious if a zoom requires a diopter adjuster, it's hard to tell
from UK-Germany's Gernglish website ;-p. I've emailed Uwe a few
times and it always take a month or two to get a reply!

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Strobes are nice! I'm using a Nikonos -> dual Ikelite sync chord. No TTL, unfortunately.

You can't pop the flash up in the housing, either, so you can't use slave sensors.

I'm praying that Ikelite manages to figure out hotshoe-based E-TTL for their strobes. We'll see....

Also, the forums on wetpixel.com are much more active for underwater stuff. You might want to try asking about the Ike DS125s over there.

SKSuga wrote:

Nothing jaw-dropping??? You must have stronger jaw muscles than I.
Pics are amazing!

Q?: on the strobes: How do you like them? Are you using the slave
sensor?

-Scott

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Hey, adam -

Typical dives are just under an hour long. No problems with low batteries yet. On a GOOD dive you might crank out only 100 shots or so, unless you're shooting absolutely everything you see, just for fun.

Of course, there are exceptions. But either way, it's better than the 36-frame film limit.

Adam Tow wrote:

Eric:

Nice pictures. How long are your typical dives and have you
experienced any problems with low batteries underwater yet?

-adam

Chad D Senior Member • Posts: 1,029
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Aloha
cool
I was like OH Menpachi
dis has to be Hawaii waters
I have around 5000 dives here (tis me home) Maui that is

so I still shoot Nikonos but have been wanting to house a digi soon waiting for full frame for wideangle stuff we sahll see but might get one if hte bug bites hard enough
I had fun looking and reading your pages
just for grins your fishy pic on the 28th of yellow white is a Pyramid butterfly
on teh 5th teh parrot guy is actually a wrasse a yellow tail coris

tis my fav fishy I used to ahve a few of them as friends at molokini when I was teaching there full time they are quite cool fish
Alua is actually Ulua

on the 6th tis a Whitleys boxfish not that many people call em that they just call em boxfish heheheheheh or a spotted is a female the blue ones ya see are the males
I like Stumpy that is so cool

I had a dive buddy yellowtail coris that had one tooth busted out everydive he would hang out with me the whole dive was so cool would go down and there he would be booking across the reef and he would stay within a few feet the whole time then one dya he wsa never there was very sad for me ;( anyway
the trigger looks like a gilded

the one fish that is most way down unidentified is a Scribbled filefish some people call em scrawled to (oh just noticed ya got the name down next to the wrong fishy the little guy looks like a blenny maybe a ewa blenny ??

the one ya call a colorful triger below the filefish looks like a eyestripe surgeon fish
dont know if ya know but a wire coral is a black coral
some people find that interseting
LIke your Maui write up
Maui is loosing its quaint charm ;(

sad enough to may yuppy type and the hippy type that say quit poluting and drive beaters that smoke like carzy ????
was a better place a while back

I used to live on Lanai some ten years ago and dove over there every day that was a great place sadly agian Maui is changing and not for the good not going against it just is becoming Oahu my wife and I are thinking big island ???

the fish on your Maui page with the big tail is the scribbled filefish the butterfly below it is a ornate butterfly fish
yeah quite a rain storm we had that is for sure woke me up
so ya still in Maui ????
it shows ya date out to the 10th ????
anyway loved reading your stuff

just so ya know wasnt trying to be a jerk by naming the fishes just so into it form teaching diving for years out here and being a underwater fanatic
hope ya understand that

your love hate realtionship with squitos is a good thing the black and white ones if ya see em are bad news as there has been quite a few cases of Dengui fever realted to them so avoid em they bite during they day

I lived on Utila in the bay islands for a year (doing scuba) and got Dengui down there it is not fun trust me

anyways have a good time and loved seeing your pics also loved hearing about a housed 60
looking forward to more info in it

I am looking to switch from my nikonos setup soon ??? I mostly shoot with a 15mm though
anyway take care

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Chad Dwww.panotools.comwww.happyfish.com

Petri Lindroth New Member • Posts: 7
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Eric,

So, you are using the strobes in manual mode. Do you feel that the DS 125 strobe adjustments are enough with Full, 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 powers?

I have been thinking of Sea&Sea YS-DX90 strobes to be used with D60. Do you have any experience of these with D30/D60?

By the way Hugyfot ( http://www.hugyfot.de ) will introduce a housing for D30 (D60?) in May. It will be machined aluminium and the price should be around EUR 1800.

Petri

Eric Cheng wrote:
Strobes are nice! I'm using a Nikonos -> dual Ikelite sync chord.
No TTL, unfortunately.

You can't pop the flash up in the housing, either, so you can't use
slave sensors.

I'm praying that Ikelite manages to figure out hotshoe-based E-TTL
for their strobes. We'll see....

Also, the forums on wetpixel.com are much more active for
underwater stuff. You might want to try asking about the Ike
DS125s over there.

SKSuga wrote:

Nothing jaw-dropping??? You must have stronger jaw muscles than I.
Pics are amazing!

Q?: on the strobes: How do you like them? Are you using the slave
sensor?

-Scott

Max Strandberg Regular Member • Posts: 448
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Eric Cheng wrote:

I don't have anything jaw-dropping yet...

My jaw is hanging a bit loose though.

You have good timing and have managed to squeeze beautiful colors and shapes, interesting composition and interesting subjects into your underwater photos.

For my own reference on the D60 image quality underwater, I would be very interested in seeing a fullsize jpg version of the "A colorful triggerfish" photo from April 8. That looks like a terrific species photo (of a Blue Jaw Triggerfish, Xanthichthys auromarginatus), and it could be easily rotated and put on a blue background to make it a "bullseye" photo.

http://echeng.com/travel/kona2002/images/0408/2002-04-08_082306_1_9.0_80.jpg

Unfortunately there are several of your otherwise great shots where the subjects looks slightly out of focus. Did you use autofocus or manual focus? Did you find the D60 very difficult to focus underwater, or is it simply a matter of getting more underwater practice with your new camera?

BTW, how did you make the "this is straight from the camera!" photo of Kenny on April 3? Looks dangerous!-- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ http://hem.bredband.net/maxstr

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Re: The Canon D60, underwater. :)

Hey, Max...

For my own reference on the D60 image quality underwater, I would
be very interested in seeing a fullsize jpg version ...

I will post a knock-your-socks-off raw file very soon, but not of the triggerfish. I got one tonight of some squid in Molokini that are AMAZING. The trigger photo required some coaxing from photoshop because I underexposed the original (doh!).

Unfortunately there are several of your otherwise great shots where
the subjects looks slightly out of focus. Did you use autofocus or
manual focus? Did you find the D60 very difficult to focus
underwater, or is it simply a matter of getting more underwater
practice with your new camera?

It's not hard for the camera to focus underwater, but there is surge, and the fish don't sit still. It can be hard to focus on things that are not very contrasty (like sharks) in low light -- especially in caves and stuff, but that's that a modeling light is for....

BTW, how did you make the "this is straight from the camera!" photo
of Kenny on April 3? Looks dangerous!

heh. I got down low with a Canon 24/2.8. He landed on the rock that is directly below him. Looks dangerous, huh?

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
Here's another photo...

http://www.wetpixel.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=205

Squid are cool. The Canon D60 with two Ike DS125 strobes on manual (1/4 power) did brilliantly with their color fluctuations.

I'll post a raw file at some point. Gotta find one that I won't want to copyright eventually.

OP Eric Cheng Regular Member • Posts: 125
here's the raw file, anyway. :)

Ahh...

Here it is, anyway. It will be up for awhile, but at some point in the future I may have to remove it from my server.

Eric Cheng wrote:

http://www.wetpixel.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=205

Squid are cool. The Canon D60 with two Ike DS125 strobes on
manual (1/4 power) did brilliantly with their color fluctuations.

I'll post a raw file at some point. Gotta find one that I won't
want to copyright eventually.

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