What is a good backup utility?

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GaryDeM Veteran Member • Posts: 6,297
Re: What is a good backup utility?

still do not know why you worrying about compressed backups of your primary pics. i have a 500gb ext drv which is my primary pic drv. i have about 100gb of images on it. there is another identical 500gb drv that is the backup of the primary. every 2 weeks i simply delete the backup and rightclickanddrag the 1 folder that is in the primary and it makes an identical backup. i also have a 3rd drv that i have another copy of the pics on(when the first rightclickanddrag is done i do the second). after backing up i have 3 identical copys of my pics, if necessary i can get to any or all three, but normally i use the primary only. nothing is compressed ever. i can get to all my shots anytime i want.

what it sounds like is that you do not want to do the backing up yourself. i never have a problem with my system of backups. and i rightclickanddrag some other folders in the c drv to 4th ext hdr drv for a separate backup. the big backups of the pics, i simply start going and go to bed or something else.

the only compressed backup is the image backup from norton save and restore. and there is no reason to look at anything in there. that backup is there in case the main c drv goes to lunch

Vernon D Rainwater Forum Pro • Posts: 14,530
Re: SyncBack SE

vpeters wrote:

Ben:

I told you about SyncBack two days ago. Have you checked it out yet?
It will do exactly what you want; I do the same thing. I don't even
use the high end version, I use the freeware simple version and it
works perfectly. Simply copies files that have been changed from
designated folders and leaves the unchanged ones alone. Doesn't use
compressed or proprietary formats. Maintains existing folder
structures. Files are accessible by any program, doesn't require use
of Syncback to access a file. Costs nothing. What else could you
want? Check it out. You'll be pleased.

Victor
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Victor, that does appear to be as Ben described what he needed. I have a question since I have never used or reviewed the product.

Does the (SE) Version have the ability to synchronize files and folders to assure that 2 computers have the same files (and versions of files) to be EXACT alike. OR** is this only available in a more advanced licensed Version.

I will (using Google) view some details but sometimes the sites for products are more "Marketing" oriented rather than feature oriented -- so that is why I actually prefer comments by actual users.
Your next lines probably indicate that (SE) has the feature.

Ensure your workstation, laptop, and networked computers have the same files. Let 'Smart Sync' do the work.
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Re: SyncBack SE

vpeters wrote:

Ben:

I told you about SyncBack two days ago. Have you checked it out yet?
It will do exactly what you want; I do the same thing. I don't even
use the high end version, I use the freeware simple version and it
works perfectly. Simply copies files that have been changed from
designated folders and leaves the unchanged ones alone. Doesn't use
compressed or proprietary formats. Maintains existing folder
structures. Files are accessible by any program, doesn't require use
of Syncback to access a file. Costs nothing. What else could you
want? Check it out. You'll be pleased.

Victor

Not yet. One per day is all I can tolerate. I started with second copy simply because they had a very good description of how it worked on the web page before I downloaded it.

It is having trouble with one file, which may be specifc to that file. Not sure why, but it always says the file is in use. I may reboot and see if that clears it.

I may have a problem if I unconnect the external, but I have no plans to do that.

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Re: SyncBack SE

Vernon D Rainwater wrote:

vpeters wrote:

Ben:

I told you about SyncBack two days ago. Have you checked it out yet?
It will do exactly what you want; I do the same thing. I don't even
use the high end version, I use the freeware simple version and it
works perfectly. Simply copies files that have been changed from
designated folders and leaves the unchanged ones alone. Doesn't use
compressed or proprietary formats. Maintains existing folder
structures. Files are accessible by any program, doesn't require use
of Syncback to access a file. Costs nothing. What else could you
want? Check it out. You'll be pleased.

Victor
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Victor, that does appear to be as Ben described what he needed. I
have a question since I have never used or reviewed the product.
Does the (SE) Version have the ability to synchronize files and
folders to assure that 2 computers have the same files (and versions
of files) to be EXACT alike. OR** is this only available in a more
advanced licensed Version.
I will (using Google) view some details but sometimes the sites for
products are more "Marketing" oriented rather than feature oriented
-- so that is why I actually prefer comments by actual users.
Your next lines probably indicate that (SE) has the feature.

Ensure your workstation, laptop, and networked computers have the
same files. Let 'Smart Sync' do the work.
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Victor, is this the Version you refer to as being SyncBack SE.
SyncBack Freeware V3.2.18.0 includes help file
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Vernon D Rainwater Forum Pro • Posts: 14,530
Re: What is a good backup utility?

GaryDeM wrote:

still do not know why you worrying about compressed backups of your
primary pics. i have a 500gb ext drv which is my primary pic drv. i
have about 100gb of images on it. there is another identical 500gb
drv that is the backup of the primary. every 2 weeks i simply delete
the backup and rightclickanddrag the 1 folder that is in the primary
and it makes an identical backup. i also have a 3rd drv that i have
another copy of the pics on(when the first rightclickanddrag is done
i do the second). after backing up i have 3 identical copys of my
pics, if necessary i can get to any or all three, but normally i use
the primary only. nothing is compressed ever. i can get to all my
shots anytime i want.

what it sounds like is that you do not want to do the backing up
yourself. i never have a problem with my system of backups. and i
rightclickanddrag some other folders in the c drv to 4th ext hdr drv
for a separate backup. the big backups of the pics, i simply start
going and go to bed or something else.

the only compressed backup is the image backup from norton save and
restore. and there is no reason to look at anything in there. that
backup is there in case the main c drv goes to lunch

Gary, I am NOT trying to answer for Ben. Instead, I have read several indications that Ben does NOT want to have to do a restore or any type of function that may be necessary to be able to use the files normally with ANY type software that can access his folders and files just as he does with explorer and his other software.

It has nothing to do with the thought of using some type of Compression -- instead it is that he can not use the files as discussed above.
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GaryDeM Veteran Member • Posts: 6,297
Re: What is a good backup utility?

verson-

in my 3 copies of my pics or other backed up folders there is no file that i cannot access and use instantly because it is comprssed or anything else that would prevent me from accessing and using it. simply start your program and goto that file anytime the user wishes. at this point however i always work off the primary files. but the backups are just as good for any use anytime.

the only compressed file is the norton save and restore backup. and there is no need to look in there till the c drv crashes. i have had to use that compressed backup 3 times now and the norton software worked perfectly.

Vernon D Rainwater Forum Pro • Posts: 14,530
Re: What is a good backup utility?

GaryDeM wrote:

verson-

in my 3 copies of my pics or other backed up folders there is no file
that i cannot access and use instantly because it is comprssed or
anything else that would prevent me from accessing and using it.
simply start your program and goto that file anytime the user wishes.
at this point however i always work off the primary files. but the
backups are just as good for any use anytime.

Gary, I understand that with your usage of the "original NON compressed files" that you can instantly have instant access of any of your files.

What about the files that are compressed on your backup drives. I may have misunderstood but I was (and still am) of the opinion that you do not have instant access for these with any of the normal programs such as Explorer.
That is what Ben is concerned about.

Specifically: What is needed to be done to be able to access the Compressed Back up files. This explanation would be very helpful.
Thanks again for your help....
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the only compressed file is the norton save and restore backup. and
there is no need to look in there till the c drv crashes. i have had
to use that compressed backup 3 times now and the norton software
worked perfectly.

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Re: Keep Acronis off the HDs to be cloned
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It's best to use a Acronis on a 3rd HD so that it is not being cloned with the OS.

When it's on the drive being cloned, there are two C drives after the clone is made.

Windows doesn't like two drives with the same letter! So the Acronis voodoo starts, sometimes it works... and sometimes not. Why? I don't know or care at this point.

I crashed or damaged half dozen or so OS's trying to get it to work with my configuration. May work with yours, but if it fails, it will be painful, and cost you a full reload.

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OP Ben_Egbert Forum Pro • Posts: 20,228
Re: What is a good backup utility?

GaryDeM wrote:

still do not know why you worrying about compressed backups of your
primary pics.

Hoped I had explained it. These become my primary images after two months when I delete them from my primary. I use a photo browser to find them. I could not use this with compressed files.

I need to keep it simple for me, or I would never find anything.

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Vernon D Rainwater Forum Pro • Posts: 14,530
Re: Keep Acronis off the HDs to be cloned

blackhawk13 wrote:

There seems to be a tendency to refer to the "entire backup funcrions) to be referred to as CLONING. Cloning is definitely different to doing a Drive (or Partition) backup to an image file(s).

You are correct IF** actually Cloning a Drive, AND doing this within Windows AND Using the Windows interface -- but the comment is NOT applicable when doing a Backup to an Image file since the Image File is NOT executable until it has been restored to a Hard Drive and Booted to use that setup.

Again, I will mention that I NEVER use the CLONE function (except when I originally tested the software).

Also, whan I tested, I used either a Boot Floppy Disk or CD and was NOT using either Windows or the Windows Interface.

When it's on the drive being cloned, there are two C drives after the
clone is made.
Windows doesn't like two drives with the same letter! So the Acronis
voodoo starts, sometimes it works... and sometimes not. Why? I
don't know or care at this point.
I crashed or damaged half dozen or so OS's trying to get it to work
with my configuration. May work with yours, but if it fails, it will
be painful, and cost you a full reload.

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OP Ben_Egbert Forum Pro • Posts: 20,228
Second copy link

http://www.secondcopy.com/index.html
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I have it saving my budget now. I had to do tow things. I moved the budget to my budget folder and deleted it from the desktop. Then I created a shortcut so I could access it from the desktop which is what I thought was the case.

Next I had to reboot.

But then I lost my profile and Second copy failed to load. I wonder if this is because it is a trial version.

I rebuilt teh profile and tested it, works fine. This will be my program if I can figure out the reason it does not load on boot or remember my profile.

http://www.pbase.com/roserus/root

Ben

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Re: Second copy link

Ben_Egbert wrote:

http://www.secondcopy.com/index.html
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I have it saving my budget now. I had to do tow things. I moved the
budget to my budget folder and deleted it from the desktop. Then I
created a shortcut so I could access it from the desktop which is
what I thought was the case.

Next I had to reboot.

But then I lost my profile and Second copy failed to load. I wonder
if this is because it is a trial version.

I rebuilt teh profile and tested it, works fine. This will be my
program if I can figure out the reason it does not load on boot or
remember my profile.

http://www.pbase.com/roserus/root

Ben

Ben, I assume you read vpeters post above. His description indicates it may also be one that you may want to do a "Test Drive" if you haven't run out of Gas...
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Re: Second copy link

Vernon D Rainwater wrote:

Ben_Egbert wrote:

http://www.secondcopy.com/index.html
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I have it saving my budget now. I had to do tow things. I moved the
budget to my budget folder and deleted it from the desktop. Then I
created a shortcut so I could access it from the desktop which is
what I thought was the case.

Next I had to reboot.

But then I lost my profile and Second copy failed to load. I wonder
if this is because it is a trial version.

I rebuilt teh profile and tested it, works fine. This will be my
program if I can figure out the reason it does not load on boot or
remember my profile.

http://www.pbase.com/roserus/root

Ben

Ben, I assume you read vpeters post above. His description indicates
it may also be one that you may want to do a "Test Drive" if you
haven't run out of Gas...
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Heck, why would I do this again if I don't have to? This is not the least bit fun.

I rebooted and it launched this time and remembered my profile. It still shows that the file is in use on my budget, but not on other spreadsheets. But it still saves the last version. I have been opening and saving with test numbers to make sure it has the last version.

I set it up for 10 minutes rather than when closing. I would probably change that to once a day when I get comfortable.

I am about half way through the learning curve, or at least as much as I want to know.

Next step I wil create profiles for my other stuff, like images. Then I will test it for a couple of days to make sure it is stable, and always launches. Then I will buy it or look for the next round of drudgery.

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GaryDeM Veteran Member • Posts: 6,297
Re: What is a good backup utility?

Vernon D Rainwater wrote:

GaryDeM wrote:

verson-

in my 3 copies of my pics or other backed up folders there is no file
that i cannot access and use instantly because it is comprssed or
anything else that would prevent me from accessing and using it.
simply start your program and goto that file anytime the user wishes.
at this point however i always work off the primary files. but the
backups are just as good for any use anytime.

Gary, I understand that with your usage of the "original NON
compressed files" that you can instantly have instant access of any
of your files.
What about the files that are compressed on your backup drives. I
may have misunderstood but I was (and still am) of the opinion that
you do not have instant access for these with any of the normal
programs such as Explorer.
That is what Ben is concerned about.
Specifically: What is needed to be done to be able to access the
Compressed Back up files. This explanation would be very helpful.
Thanks again for your help....
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Vernon...

the only compressed file is the norton save and restore backup. and
there is no need to look in there till the c drv crashes. i have had
to use that compressed backup 3 times now and the norton software
worked perfectly.

i have no compressed backup or other files. the exception is the norton image of the c drv. ALL THE BACKUPS ARE SIMPLY RIGHTCLICKDRAG and drop from the original folder/file. i simply do the rightdragdrop of the primary pics folder(all 100gb of it) and about 2 1/2 hrs later i have an exact 1 for 1 copy of the folder of the primary pics, only now it is on a different ext hrd drv. the original pic primary is totally intact. i do the same thing with 12 other folders on my c drv. and in that backup hdr drv is a copy of the registry, my favorites, and my address book. these are all 1 for 1 copies. none are compressed in any way.

with the exception of the registry and the norton c drv image ALL THE REST OF THE BACKUPS ARE ACCESSABLE BY ANY PROGRAM THAT I WISH TO USE ANY TIME. this is because they are 1 for 1 backups.

GaryDeM Veteran Member • Posts: 6,297
Re: What is a good backup utility?

see the just above reply by me.

i do not have not and will delete any image files that i deem good to keep in the first place. this why when i take my digital shots and get back to the pc i do a sort and delete any that i do not want. i have 100gb of image files in the primary pic drv and 2 uncompressed 1 for 1 copies on 2 other ext hdr drvs. these are all my digital shots that i kept plus any scanned in slides that i scanned in using my nikon coolscan v scanner. all are accessable and usable by any program that i wish to use any time. though i work off the primary pic drv and the working pic folder in the c drv.

OP Ben_Egbert Forum Pro • Posts: 20,228
Re: What is a good backup utility?

GaryDeM wrote:

see the just above reply by me.

Yes, you do it different. I understand why you do. I hope you now understand why I don't want compressed. You asked, I told, all I care is if you know my reason, not if you agree.

i do not have not and will delete any image files that i deem good to
keep in the first place. this why when i take my digital shots and
get back to the pc i do a sort and delete any that i do not want. i
have 100gb of image files in the primary pic drv and 2 uncompressed 1
for 1 copies on 2 other ext hdr drvs. these are all my digital shots
that i kept plus any scanned in slides that i scanned in using my
nikon coolscan v scanner. all are accessable and usable by any
program that i wish to use any time. though i work off the primary
pic drv and the working pic folder in the c drv.

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Passed second test.

Built a second profile and it worked. One thing is that when I got to the end of the build a profile process, it would not accept the finish command. I thought it was hung up. What was happening is that it was alerady copying files, and would not allow "finish" until the copy was done. Seems dumb to me.

So I get an error message and the log (good feature because it is easy to find) said it was aborted. I ran it again and it worked fine. It saved the profile eeven though it never allowed me to finish. I guess it means something else when it says finish.

This is my great problem with software writers, they speak a different language.

You can run a profile at any time just by clicking on it. I am using simple save rather than syncronize. I work one direction primary to back up. I am saving one old copy to an old copy file. I won't do this with raw files of course, because there can only be one version of a raw.

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Re: What is a good backup utility?

GaryDeM wrote:

Vernon D Rainwater wrote:

GaryDeM wrote:

verson-

in my 3 copies of my pics or other backed up folders there is no file
that i cannot access and use instantly because it is comprssed or
anything else that would prevent me from accessing and using it.
simply start your program and goto that file anytime the user wishes.
at this point however i always work off the primary files. but the
backups are just as good for any use anytime.

Gary, I understand that with your usage of the "original NON
compressed files" that you can instantly have instant access of any
of your files.
What about the files that are compressed on your backup drives. I
may have misunderstood but I was (and still am) of the opinion that
you do not have instant access for these with any of the normal
programs such as Explorer.
That is what Ben is concerned about.
Specifically: What is needed to be done to be able to access the
Compressed Back up files. This explanation would be very helpful.
Thanks again for your help....
--
Vernon...

the only compressed file is the norton save and restore backup. and
there is no need to look in there till the c drv crashes. i have had
to use that compressed backup 3 times now and the norton software
worked perfectly.

i have no compressed backup or other files. the exception is the
norton image of the c drv. ALL THE BACKUPS ARE SIMPLY RIGHTCLICKDRAG
and drop from the original folder/file. i simply do the rightdragdrop
of the primary pics folder(all 100gb of it) and about 2 1/2 hrs later
i have an exact 1 for 1 copy of the folder of the primary pics, only
now it is on a different ext hrd drv. the original pic primary is
totally intact. i do the same thing with 12 other folders on my c
drv. and in that backup hdr drv is a copy of the registry, my
favorites, and my address book. these are all 1 for 1 copies. none
are compressed in any way.

with the exception of the registry and the norton c drv image ALL
THE REST OF THE BACKUPS ARE ACCESSABLE BY ANY PROGRAM THAT I WISH TO
USE ANY TIME. this is because they are 1 for 1 backups.

Gary, thanks for the details. The overall condition (regarding your DATA backup's are NOT made using Acronis. In effect, you use the normal functions within Windows (like Cppy/Paste, Drag/Drop, etc) and NOT Acronis so there is NO compression to be concerned with.

I had hoped to find someone that actually uses the Backup for Folders and Files features (withinn Acronis) so to get more details of that overall method and usage of the backed up files after using this.
Thanks again
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Vernon D Rainwater Forum Pro • Posts: 14,530
Re: Second copy link

Ben, I assume you read vpeters post above. His description indicates
it may also be one that you may want to do a "Test Drive" if you
haven't run out of Gas...
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Heck, why would I do this again if I don't have to? This is not the
least bit fun.

Ben, I thought by now that testing software was getting to be fun for you.
Just -- JOKING -- of course.

I rebooted and it launched this time and remembered my profile. It
still shows that the file is in use on my budget, but not on other
spreadsheets. But it still saves the last version. I have been
opening and saving with test numbers to make sure it has the last
version.

I set it up for 10 minutes rather than when closing. I would probably
change that to once a day when I get comfortable.

I am about half way through the learning curve, or at least as much
as I want to know.

Next step I wil create profiles for my other stuff, like images. Then
I will test it for a couple of days to make sure it is stable, and
always launches. Then I will buy it or look for the next round of
drudgery.

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OP Ben_Egbert Forum Pro • Posts: 20,228
All backed up now

At least my files. If the program remains stable, I will go ahead and buy it.

I can also use the same technique I have been using to make a copy of my C: drive. But the instructions say it will not be bootable unless my the external drive has been created as a boot drive (or some such words to that effect)

I am pretty sure it is not, but could probably see when I boot and get the system info page during boot.

The question is this. Is it worth backing up the C: drive if it is not bootable when the C: drive fails?

Sounds to me like what this would give me is a copy of files and programs and so on, but probably not an easy to access them if C: failed. Also, not sure what I would do if one of the files got corrupted. In that case, the Vista backup ought to work so long as C: did not fail.

This is not a big deal to me. My data files are my big concern here. So this is just a curiosity question.

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