Canon 5D rumors from inside....

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etto72
etto72 Regular Member • Posts: 386
Canon 5D rumors from inside....

I brought my 5D to the Canon repair center to clean the sensor(I'm too afraid to do it myself)
I started to speak with one of the canon technician
Obviously i asked about the 5D mk II......

First of all he told that even inside the Canon world, until the very last moment you can't be sure what the big guys from Japan will decide to announce

All Canon employers are speculating on rumors and if there are lucky on some camera test prototype seen

Canon rap. clamming what is coming or not coming in next big show are just fooling!!!

What is said to me is that he actually saw, back in December 2007 evidences of a new Pro canon camera

He said that as far he could see Canon is thinking soon to produce a pro camera that would include some of the best feature of both 1D series

15.1 MP (full frame)
14 bit
1 Digic III
Iso 100 to 6400(up to 12800)
AF like 1Dmk III
3 fps
3 inch screen
A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel
1 slot flash card

He also spoke about a 5D replacement coming probably after

12.8 MP
14 bit
1 Digic III
iso 100 to 3200 (up to 6400)
Improved 9 point AF
4 fps
3 inch screen
Improved body

Prices? no one knows

he thinks the 3D(or whatever they will call it) closed to the 1D mk III
The 5D replacement close to the actual price

I personally hope the new pro will come out now!!!

But once more as he said: "What we see and we hear are often what actually it will not come out"

thanks for listening

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RobertoAvanzi Senior Member • Posts: 1,003
Re: Canon 5D rumors from inside....

etto72 wrote:

He said that as far he could see Canon is thinking soon to produce a
pro camera that would include some of the best feature of both 1D
series

[...]

A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel

Well, I can really imagine a 1D-class body without rear lcd panel.

I want one without sensor! NO, wait...

best
Roberto

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Yamil R. Sued Veteran Member • Posts: 4,528
Re: Canon 5D rumors from inside....

etto72 wrote:

What is said to me is that he actually saw, back in December 2007
evidences of a new Pro canon camera

He said that as far he could see Canon is thinking soon to produce a
pro camera that would include some of the best feature of both 1D
series

15.1 MP (full frame)
14 bit
1 Digic III
Iso 100 to 6400(up to 12800)
AF like 1Dmk III

So it won't focus track in AI Servo???

3 fps

A Slow Turd??

3 inch screen
A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel
1 slot flash card

Still not "REAL" competition for the D3

He also spoke about a 5D replacement coming probably after

12.8 MP
14 bit
1 Digic III
iso 100 to 3200 (up to 6400)
Improved 9 point AF
4 fps
3 inch screen
Improved body

I rather have canon wait a nd make sure the cameras WORK before they release them.

RDKirk Forum Pro • Posts: 16,083
If you've been following Chuck Westfall over the years...

...you can see that Canon Inc doesn't tell Canon USA much in advance about anything at all.

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Mori Contributing Member • Posts: 797
Umm

RobertoAvanzi wrote:

etto72 wrote:

He said that as far he could see Canon is thinking soon to produce a
pro camera that would include some of the best feature of both 1D
series

[...]

A sort of smaller 1D body,with integrated grip but not rear lcd panel

Well, I can really imagine a 1D-class body without rear lcd panel.

I want one without sensor! NO, wait...

best
Roberto

I rather think he meant the rear status LCD - the small one at the bottom, not the 3" LCD for reviewing pics.

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singveld Senior Member • Posts: 1,062
i am sick of waiting

i am sick of waiting for 5Dmk2

300/350/450D are so common now, tom dick and harry has one.

I want to upgrade, but i have to wait.

there are no competition for 5D, that is the problem, when nikon come out with a full frame small size slr, there are no competition, and canon is taking their time.

also, thanks to D3, no doubt, canon engineer ditch their old spec on 5Dmk2, improve on it and it takes time.

basically, WAIT WAIT WAIT. patience and ignorance is bliss.

Robert Deutsch Forum Pro • Posts: 10,229
I've talked to him at shows...

...and he's always been noncommittal about what's coming out, saying the Canon people in the US find out about new models just very shortly before the announcements are made to the public. And if he did release information before he was supposed to, he wouldn't have his job for very long...

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Daniel Clune
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Re: i am sick of waiting

Well what ever replaces the 5D it wont be made to compete against the Nikon D3 thats what the 1DMKIII is for. Still cant figure out why peoplle think the 5D class camera is ment to compete against nikons sports camera. Just because the D3 is FF doesnt mean it can only be compared against canons FF offerings.

What kept me from buying a 5D was that it came with low level focusing system. That was the only reason i didnt want one. If the replacement does the same thing and uses the 40D focusing system i will pass again. Focus is for "me" the number one thing i look for. When i delete pictures i have taken its almost always for misfocus. Thats the main reason i have a 1DMKII and once i heard about the 1DMK3 focus problems i passed on it.

My hope is if there is a new replacement for 5D it hase 1 series focus that works.
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Gediminas 8 Senior Member • Posts: 1,133
Re: Canon 5D rumors from inside....

Yamil R. Sued wrote:

So it won't focus track in AI Servo???
A Slow Turd??
Still not "REAL" competition for the D3
I rather have canon wait a nd make sure the cameras WORK before they
release them.

You may have made some valid points, but why the anger?

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leej6 Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: Canon 5D rumors from inside....

I'm sick of waiting too. I've read all the discussions about "just buy a 5D now and replace it when something better comes along........." - but I've been waiting because I'm still shooting film and when I make my camera purchase - it will most likely be my last (much age and little money). I've been thinking along the lines of getting the 5D upgrade with the digilogic III processor, larger (and maybe better) LCD, sensor cleaning (not sure how effective this is anyway), and maybe some viewfinder and weather sealing improvements. Oh yeah, and maybe they would dedicate a button to mirror lockup? My basic concept was/is to get the 2nd version of a good camera after they have worked out all the bugs. Now I'm really questioning my logic - since there doesn't seem to be many "bugs" to work out with the 5D anyway.....and everyone seems to agree that the camera sports one of the nicest image sensors on the market. My interest leans toward landscape/macro type work, so speed is of little concern to me. I currently shoot a EOS-5.

So if there's no announcement of a 5D replacement this Spring, I just might admit my error (in waiting) and buy a 5D.

pipspeak Senior Member • Posts: 1,774
well that's silly

The 3D (or whatever) specs like that for a price the same as the 1D3 will be an appalling marketing move... the Nikon D3 for $500 more will walk all over it.

Any 3D-style body had better be priced closer to $3K cuz the Nikon D3 seems to now own the "cheapest pro FF body" niche, IMO.

pipspeak Senior Member • Posts: 1,774
agree on the focus

I've wanted to get a 5D for months now bu it's the AF that is putting me off. Some people say it's great, other say it's really no better than the 20D's AF (which sucks IMO). Canon's 5D white paper is a bit vague and says only that the AF is "as good or better than" the 20D (paraphrasing). What does that mean??!

I can't afford a 1D series body, so where's the tweener from Canon? Let's at least have 15-point or 21-point AF in a compact body. Don't need 45-point but it would be nice to rise above 9-point.

I am seriously considering a 1Ds2 but really don't want to have to lug around a dual-grip body like that if at all possible.

ANdy Ja Junior Member • Posts: 43
Re: agree on the focus

I have to say that I have 5D and previously 20D and have never had any focus problems. Maybe it depends on your style of shooting but for weddings, events and studio work it has never been an issue.

If the 5D replacement can use higher ISO settings with less noise then it is a winner for me.

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Trevor Allen Senior Member • Posts: 1,123
Re: agree on the focus

my 5D & 20D focus OK, for what they are

EyE Regular Member • Posts: 486
Strange...5D isn't a mkIII

I own one of the first 5D's, I make money with it. I never ever had any focusing problems that aren't my fault. I also own a eos 3. The 5D keeps on focusing correctly in lower light while the eos 3 fails and starts hunting.

Comparing a 5D focus system with that of a 20D is a big mistake. My previeus cam was a 20D and it has unreliable focus system indeed.

So you are sugesting that 70% of wedding pros are using a cam that dous not focus?

I own many low light primes. My hit rate is so high that i will never sell my body untill i am totaly convinced that a eventual replacement is at least as good.
Afcours the 5D is not a sports cam and it never had the pretention to be one

rrcphoto Veteran Member • Posts: 6,173
Re: agree on the focus

pipspeak wrote:

I've wanted to get a 5D for months now bu it's the AF that is putting
me off. Some people say it's great, other say it's really no better
than the 20D's AF (which sucks IMO). Canon's 5D white paper is a bit
vague and says only that the AF is "as good or better than" the 20D
(paraphrasing). What does that mean??!

I can't afford a 1D series body, so where's the tweener from Canon?
Let's at least have 15-point or 21-point AF in a compact body. Don't
need 45-point but it would be nice to rise above 9-point.

it does have 15 point AF already. perhaps read that white paper a little better.

just like the 1 series has 19 point selectable and 26 assist points, the 5D has 9 selectable and 6 assists, the 20D has no assist points.

the 20D and the 5D have nothing in common - outside of the word "canon" and the letter "D".

different AF, sensor, mirror, viewfinder, pentaprism, grip styling, lcd, firmware. anyone that's used both and thinks that the 20D and 5D have alot in common, should perhaps stick with the 20D.

dnjake Senior Member • Posts: 2,702
Re: I've talked to him at shows...

Robert Deutsch wrote:

...and he's always been noncommittal about what's coming out, saying
the Canon people in the US find out about new models just very
shortly before the announcements are made to the public. And if he
did release information before he was supposed to, he wouldn't have
his job for very long...

The starting point for understanding what people might know is what their job is. Chuck Westfall's job has morphed a bit over the years and grown in responsibility. But he used to have some level of responisibility as a source of information. He also seems to be a significant resource to Canon in understanding the North American market. I suspect he is prone to have a fair amount of advance information on Canon's plans. But he is clearly at a level where he understands what he can say and what he can't.

The representatives that a camera store might deal with are likely to be significantly lower level employees than Chuck Westfall. Their job is presumably selling and they are not likely to be told more than they need to know for their job. They are unlikely to know anything about what Canon is planning for six months from now. But they might know that Canon does not plan to replace the 5D immediately and that they should encourage their client stores to continue stocking up on them.

The technicians at a Canon repair facility are low level employees. It is always possible that some of them are over achievers and have managed to connect to some semi reliable in company rumor source. But, for the most part, their speculations are no better than any of the others that might be posted on dpreview.
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Re: If you've been following Chuck Westfall over the years...

RDKirk wrote:

...you can see that Canon Inc doesn't tell Canon USA much in advance
about anything at all.

This is pretty typical in technology companies in general. I know people who work inside one big producer of consumer technologies. (You all know the name of the company and quite possibly own one or more of the products.) They all follow the rumors the same way the rest of us do.

Dan

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em_dee_aitch Veteran Member • Posts: 3,675
Re: Strange...5D isn't a mkIII

EyE wrote:

So you are sugesting that 70% of wedding pros are using a cam that
dous not focus?

I am a wedding pro and full time at photography, and I'm curious: What is the source of that statistic?

Anyways, I have shot many weddings with a combo of the 5D and either a 1d2 or 1d3 as the lead camera. As we wedding pro, I can verify that, to use your spelling, the 5d "dous not focus" efficiently in many situations that require a 1d series camera... The key word here is "efficiently." You can always find SOME way to make a 5D focus, but in the same amount of time you can probably focus multiple times for multiple compositions with a 1d series camera... I have always found the idea silly that wedding and event pros, which to the camera is identical subject matter to general news photo-j, somehow don't need full fledge AF capacity. So I laugh at the notion of the 5D as the "perfect wedding camera." Sure it is, if you have a 1d to hold its hand!

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