Do Image Settings Matter When Shooting RAW?

Started Jan 4, 2008 | Discussions
FBMachines Forum Member • Posts: 52
Re: Do Image Settings Matter When Shooting RAW?

Nice app Thomas! What language did you write it in (my geekie side wants to know)?

FBMachines Forum Member • Posts: 52
Re: Pixel Fixer does not work...

Huh, I tried it also and was successful with 14 bit NEF's. Copy the nef to a seperate folder and try to extract it again.

SoCalSteve Regular Member • Posts: 128
Agreed, but...

I hate the time it takes to PP raw files manually also. However:

1. There's just too much info lost and too much damage done modifying jpeg's, if they need it.

2. Lightroom is great for PP and decent for cataloging and selecting, etc.

Given that, I'd prefer to use CaptureNX for RAW tweaking since it supports in-camera changes. What's the workflow then, with or without lightroom, to do this?

I'm thinking: shoot jpeg+raw, import both into Lightroom, reviewing the jpeg's. If there's any need for a tweak, then do it in CaptureNX on the raw file and reimport into LR. Seems kind of crazy though.

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Snappie Pants Regular Member • Posts: 240
excellent Lightroom enhancement

I wish Lightroom had the ability to let me "flip" between the original RAW file and the JPG, especially when shooting RAW+JPG.

I mean, you can tell Lightroom to not ignore the jpg files - but that gets messy really quick.

A toggle button that would allow you to say "RAW" or "JPG" would be excellent.

If nothing else, it would give you a quick idea re "how the camera saw it" vs. "how lightroom sees it".

SoCalSteve Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: excellent Lightroom enhancement

Great idea. Even better - Nikon should release a module that allows third-party app's to convert and read RAW's as they are seen in the camera - but would likely cannibalize NX sales - except now they're giving it away...
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Thomas Comerford Veteran Member • Posts: 9,745
Works for me...

Hi Dave. What does it say when you run it? Does it give any errors? It should produce a JPEG with the same file name as the NEF. I've tested it with lots of D3/D300 NEFs and it works fine for me. It's worth noting that if a JPEG with that filename already exists, it won't overwrite it unless you tell it to.

Dave Santora wrote:

Hi Thomas

Just tried your app and I get no JPEG output from a D300 14-bit NEF.

Not sure about what is supposed to happen...
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Thomas Comerford Veteran Member • Posts: 9,745
Re: Do Image Settings Matter When Shooting RAW?

Thanks! It's written in Visual C++.

FBMachines wrote:

Nice app Thomas! What language did you write it in (my geekie side
wants to know)?

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David Sulley Regular Member • Posts: 256
Re: Pixel Fixer does not work...

Just wondering, if one wants to have/see a jpg, why not just shoot raw + jpg?

JasonOdell Senior Member • Posts: 2,282
Re: Agreed, but...

My workflow solution is to use Photo Mechanic as my front-end browser, and NX for my editing. Photo Mechanic only displays the embedded JPEG images from your NEFs, which makes working with NEFs almost as easy as working with JPEGs. When you save a NEF in NX, a new JPEG is embedded in the file (part of why NX is slow to save files).

I do all my email, web galleries, and JPEG extractions from Photo Mechanic, direct from the NEF thumbnails. It is very quick and very easy.

The main drawback at this time is that PM does not offer a true database solution (catalog), but the Mac version does support Spotlight searches and Smart Folders.

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SoCalSteve Regular Member • Posts: 128
Re: Agreed, but...

Hi Jason,

I'm confused then: why not just use NX for all of that then? (admittedly, I have barely played around with NX at this point).

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RomanJohnston
RomanJohnston Forum Pro • Posts: 18,826
Just like Brandon said.....

ram is cheap.....find your mainboards max....and max it out...

Windows XP really woln't use more than 4GB....so unless your running 64bit version......no need to add more than that...

I have 3Gigs of ram as well and it works fine for me

I also have the Older Capture....Capture NX is worlds better...once you start to get the hang of it....it actually is a pretty quick conversion.

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Mike Danahy Regular Member • Posts: 491
Roman...sorry, off the subject question...

..have you posted any new images lately? I hate it when I miss a Roman Johnson image. And..did you ever pull the trigger on that Hassey?
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macwrite Regular Member • Posts: 487
Aperture

I use Aperture with my D70 and never go into Photoshop to edit my photos. Aperture does it all. I don't want to use Capture NX since it will drastically slow down my work-flow. I also believe in doing as much in Camera as possible as well. I am just a hobbits photographer who's upgrading to the D300 soon since it will help me due to my vision impairment. But even when I start making money with photography, Capture NX seems it would just kill my workflow compared to Aperture. And as for maxing out my RAM, I don't have $900 per RAM module I need for a total of $6,400 to max out my RAM. I ain't that rich, and that ain't Apple RAM either.
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RomanJohnston
RomanJohnston Forum Pro • Posts: 18,826
Re: Aperture

Ok...so you have 7.1 ram slots?!? (6400/900=7.1) LOL...is that new technology?

I am a computer technician by trade....so can you explain to me the OS you have...and what mother board your using?

And I qualified a 4MB max, in my reccomendation. I know that 64bit OS will operate with more ram. But I also know that mainboards dont come with 7 (or 7.1) ram slots.

; )

Roman

macwrite wrote:

I use Aperture with my D70 and never go into Photoshop to edit my
photos. Aperture does it all. I don't want to use Capture NX since it
will drastically slow down my work-flow. I also believe in doing as
much in Camera as possible as well. I am just a hobbits photographer
who's upgrading to the D300 soon since it will help me due to my
vision impairment. But even when I start making money with
photography, Capture NX seems it would just kill my workflow compared
to Aperture. And as for maxing out my RAM, I don't have $900 per RAM
module I need for a total of $6,400 to max out my RAM. I ain't that
rich, and that ain't Apple RAM either.
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macwrite Regular Member • Posts: 487
Re: Aperture

did the math wrong. $7,200 to max out the RAM in my workstation (requires fully buffered server RAM).

RomanJohnston wrote:

Ok...so you have 7.1 ram slots?!? (6400/900=7.1) LOL...is that new
technology?

I am a computer technician by trade....so can you explain to me the
OS you have...and what mother board your using?

And I qualified a 4MB max, in my reccomendation. I know that 64bit OS
will operate with more ram. But I also know that mainboards dont come
with 7 (or 7.1) ram slots.

; )

Roman

RomanJohnston
RomanJohnston Forum Pro • Posts: 18,826
Re: Aperture

Ok....and the other questions I had?

Roman

macwrite wrote:
did the math wrong. $7,200 to max out the RAM in my workstation
(requires fully buffered server RAM).

RomanJohnston wrote:

Ok...so you have 7.1 ram slots?!? (6400/900=7.1) LOL...is that new
technology?

I am a computer technician by trade....so can you explain to me the
OS you have...and what mother board your using?

And I qualified a 4MB max, in my reccomendation. I know that 64bit OS
will operate with more ram. But I also know that mainboards dont come
with 7 (or 7.1) ram slots.

; )

Roman

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TwistedMelon Contributing Member • Posts: 559
Re: Aperture

RomanJohnston wrote:

And I qualified a 4MB max, in my reccomendation. I know that 64bit OS
will operate with more ram. But I also know that mainboards dont come
with 7 (or 7.1) ram slots.

A Mac Pro has 8 DIMM slots for a total capacity of 16GB. A number of other Xeon mainboards do as well. Some come with 6, but yes, none I've seen ever come with 7 or 7.1.

Guess that poster isn't the greatest at math. And you're suggesting people work with four megabytes of memory instead of gigabytes. Oh well.

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Save pixels, please trim your follow-ups and don't quote attached images.

RomanJohnston
RomanJohnston Forum Pro • Posts: 18,826
Ok...enough with the Pi$$ing match...

My reccomendation stands...4Gb...(yes I had a typo on the response...but my first reccomendation was correct....so cut me some slack)

And if the guy has that many slots...he should just default to my origonal statment of 4Gb....ok?

This aint rocket science folks.

Roman

TwistedMelon wrote:

RomanJohnston wrote:

And I qualified a 4MB max, in my reccomendation. I know that 64bit OS
will operate with more ram. But I also know that mainboards dont come
with 7 (or 7.1) ram slots.

A Mac Pro has 8 DIMM slots for a total capacity of 16GB. A number of
other Xeon mainboards do as well. Some come with 6, but yes, none
I've seen ever come with 7 or 7.1.

Guess that poster isn't the greatest at math. And you're suggesting
people work with four megabytes of memory instead of gigabytes. Oh
well.

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Snappie Pants Regular Member • Posts: 240
one problem...

this would require that adobe and nikon actually communicate and cooperate. Not going to happen anytime soon.

Having a toggle jpg/nef switch wouldn't be that difficult for adobe to implement and would require no communication / cooperation with Nikon.

The biggest "beef" I have with Lightroom is that it's difficult for me to compare "how Nikon saw it" vs. "how Lightroom sees it".

Don't get me wrong, though - I love the Lightroom product.

macwrite Regular Member • Posts: 487
Capture NX

Just installed the trial (1.3.1) and it won't even read D300 NEF files Nikon made available for download! Tried it with my D70 NEF files and man if this software ugly. I literally want to vomit! Just charge $100 for a Mac OS and Windows RAW plug-in at the OS level, then let Apple, Adobe, Microsoft, etc use their software and see the image the way Nikon envisioned it or charge those guys to include it in their OS's/software. I don't think I will be able to last the trial 30 days with Capture NX.

As for my system, I have 3GB RAM.
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