Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

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stephenmelvin Veteran Member • Posts: 4,547
Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326811

He did it with a telescope, which I find a bit odd. But the results are... Interesting...

Enjoy!

johnnygate Regular Member • Posts: 294
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

Not even close to reality....

Punk kid review.

Both systems are very capable, dont bring this flame thread over here.

photopro300 Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

I am sure someone is going to try to discredit this test. All I can say is holy Sh$#T

What an amazing comparison. Well done and THANK YOU for taking the time to show the peepers here some proof in the pudding!

photopro300 Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

figures some one right off the bat. Prove it that is not reality. I don't know too many punk kids with this kind of equipment and lenses hanging around. Looks real to me.

DavidPisback Senior Member • Posts: 1,218
Hmmmm

Looks more like a test of different LENSES than a test of different bodies (from the results).

rrcphoto Veteran Member • Posts: 6,173
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

stephenmelvin wrote:

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326811

He did it with a telescope, which I find a bit odd. But the results
are... Interesting...

Enjoy!

Takahashi optics are the best there is as far as telescopes. if I recall correctly the theory was that canon provided the base flourite elements and/or the expertise to Takahashi.

it's as good as you can get. period. they only make a few hundred or so a year.

it's no real surprise when you think about it, the DIII has a tighter pixel density, so it should be sharper.

now if only Takahashi would make a 21mm wide angle

NWcityguy2 Contributing Member • Posts: 615
Re: Hmmmm

DavidPisback wrote:

Looks more like a test of different LENSES than a test of different
bodies (from the results).

Did I miss something? I thought he used the exact same lens for both tests.

DavidPisback Senior Member • Posts: 1,218
He did

I didn't say it WAS the results of a test of two different lenses.

I said the results LOOKED LIKE they came from two different lenses, instead of two different bodies.

Why do I say that?

Just look at the difference in contrast and colors in the results.

Honestly, though, I wonder if each image was tweaked in the raw converter to give the best results possible? Surely they could've done a better job with the white balance, for example, on the Nikon.

NWcityguy2 wrote:

DavidPisback wrote:

Looks more like a test of different LENSES than a test of different
bodies (from the results).

Did I miss something? I thought he used the exact same lens for both
tests.

Vistekrebel Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

Point made by another reviewer:

"Compared to output from other Nikon models, the files from the D3 will need careful sharpening as they are prepared for their final output destination. The jpgs at default camera settings are good to go for being printed directly, so are not the best starting point for pixel-peeping activity unless you are familiar with pre-press work. Unless you rush the files to a news desk, resizing and a good deal of sharpening are necessary ingredients in the work flow to make the D3 images exhibit their inherent quality."

So with sharpening off the Nikon will likely look soft. Perhaps Canon has a measure of sharpening happening regardless of user settings. More study is needed to draw correct conclusions for either camera. Consider all the work RG went through to prove the focusing error in some Mark III cameras.

AK

Glenn NK Contributing Member • Posts: 967
Re: Interesting Mk III / D3 Comparison...

Post No. 19 of original Lexus thread:

They also tried the Nikon with sharpening on - didn't help much.

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J A K Forum Pro • Posts: 15,833
Best test so far, same optics and RAW conversion S/W ...

raise the integrity of that test to NUMBER-1. Makes you wonder why the heck Phil doesn't do the same thing? Anyway, thanks very much for the informative post, I really appreciate it.

I sure wish the tester would have gone the whole nine yards and included the D300, 40D, 1DsIII, 1DsII, 1DmkII, 30D, and 5D in the test. AFAIC there is no excuse not to test all the bodies I listed; if he can afford that lens he can all afford the bodies.

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cameraman12 Senior Member • Posts: 1,217
One minor flaw

I don't think he moved the camera to compensate for the difference in crop factor. But that aside, thats a pretty huge difference between the two.

stephenmelvin wrote:

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326811

He did it with a telescope, which I find a bit odd. But the results
are... Interesting...

Enjoy!

Joshua Dearing Senior Member • Posts: 1,400
Come on.. I have both cameras...

This is a BAD example. The pixel density and the crop factor will weigh huge for the Canon if the exact same lens is used. The Nikon is super passive on sharpening. I own both cameras and there is barely if any difference in the end results, at the same focal lengths with crop factor into the equasion for the Canon the Nikon produces slightly better results.

Im a Lexus owner, and member of that board but this review should not be takes as more than entertainment.

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dwterry Regular Member • Posts: 241
Re: Come on.. I have both cameras...

Since you have both, it'd be interesting to get an alternate perspective. Set up a similar shot. Use 3rd party glass (even if it's not "FSQ") in which the same basic lens can be used on both cameras. Be very clinical about it. And post up your results.

I'd love to hear a 2nd opinion.

Joshua Dearing wrote:

This is a BAD example. The pixel density and the crop factor will
weigh huge for the Canon if the exact same lens is used. The Nikon is
super passive on sharpening. I own both cameras and there is barely
if any difference in the end results, at the same focal lengths with
crop factor into the equasion for the Canon the Nikon produces
slightly better results.

Im a Lexus owner, and member of that board but this review should not
be takes as more than entertainment.

Jeff Winters Regular Member • Posts: 108
Re: Come on.. I have both cameras...

We should appreciate the fact that someone took the time and trouble to try to comprehend what's real and what's perceived about some very expensive cameras. Some will crucify anyone who dares to challenge their superior knowledge or accpted advertising hype, but i'd just like to say thanks.
Jeff

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Eric Sorensen Veteran Member • Posts: 4,641
It looks like the D3 wasn't focused properly.

Or at least I hope that is the case.
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J A K Forum Pro • Posts: 15,833
Please post a picture of both cameras in less than one hour, thanks. (NT)

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KT_at_SF Contributing Member • Posts: 627
Adding a 1.4x TC to the D3 worsens image quality

Joshua Dearing wrote:

This is a BAD example. The pixel density and the crop factor will
weigh huge for the Canon if the exact same lens is used. The Nikon is
super passive on sharpening. I own both cameras and there is barely
if any difference in the end results, at the same focal lengths with
crop factor into the equasion for the Canon the Nikon produces
slightly better results.

If you add a 1.4x teleconverter to the D3 to try to offset the low pixel density disadvantage of the Nikon, then you will degrade the image quality even further.

Nikon achieved high-ISO performance with the D3 at the price of low pixel density and no native ISO 100.

KT

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J A K Forum Pro • Posts: 15,833
Read all the threads in the link. Focus was discussed. (NT)

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Joshua Dearing Senior Member • Posts: 1,400
Re: Please post a picture of both cameras in less than one hour, thanks. (NT)

You don't think I own them both?

Well I don't have them where I am at the moment but here is my website, and it has model galleries shot with the 1D M3: http://www.dearingfilm.com/

here is my gf holding the D3: (shot with a 5D)

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