New Version of 5D with more pixels - Canon CEO's response?

Started Dec 29, 2007 | Discussions
OrangeYaGlad Forum Member • Posts: 71
Re: My translations

That price point either being the $1799 D300 or the $2200 current 5D

.Ray wrote:

Here's my translations.

"Strategies for SLR products:

We will bring out more powerful products. Mid range cameras "EOS 5D"
will have increase features and resolution models coming to market.
We will bring out improved products at the same price points."

NowherMan6 Contributing Member • Posts: 701
Price point better be the current one...

i.e. around $2200. If it's the original +$3000 they're wasting their time.

3cameras Regular Member • Posts: 289
Re: Price point better be the current one...

it's probably the original one....and if it has more pixels and features than the current 5d, people will line up to buy it...particularly if it's image q is on par or exceeds the d3.

NowherMan6 wrote:

i.e. around $2200. If it's the original +$3000 they're wasting their
time.

Robert Whiteman Senior Member • Posts: 2,812
Re: Google Translation...

OrangeYaGlad wrote:

Well brand new 5D's are selling for about $2200 right now. Do you
think anyone would pay an additional $1000 for 2 more MP's, 14bits
and a few gaskets?

Would you pay more for an enhanced tool that does a better job? If there's a discernable difference in IQ it'll sell like hotcakes.

Also, I think Nikon is to be thanked for an improved 5D at a competitive price. I'm almost certain their products sped up the evolutionary process over at Canon.

Yes?

Robert

funkag Regular Member • Posts: 364
Vestal virgins?!

When I ran it through Google's Japanese to English, it gave me this for a headline:

"sum capacity vestal virgin stories president Kang-phase machine"

Which characters went so wrong between Japanese and Chinese?

Matt Cham Veteran Member • Posts: 4,120
$3K is OK if same specs as D3

NowherMan6 wrote:

i.e. around $2200. If it's the original +$3000 they're wasting their
time.

For $3,000 it could be a mini 1Ds MkIII (small size body with less MP and less noise).

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EricDP Regular Member • Posts: 456
Re: Google Translation...

Harry Lime wrote:

Magic eight ball says:

  • 16MP

  • 14bit

  • More durable shutter, probably with dust removal

  • Weathersealed. Lets hope Canon doesn't screw us on this one and do

a half backed job, because they think they need to defend sales of
the 1D series.

  • Same introductory price of original 5D

Add wider coverage of AF points. The tight little cluster around the centre seems odd to me - like they took the AF points out of an APS-C design. I want FF AF with my FF sensor! And no more MPix if it will impact IQ - I would rather 12Mpix and even better low light performance over 16Mpix and same performance.

RDKirk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,881
Easily

According to the same Canon Inc CEO, the intended market for the 5D are well-heeled advanced hobbyists who are still using film. In the US, the 5D is being marketed to professional portrait and wedding photographers (professional: Capital expense tax write-off).

Like the Kodak SLR/C and SLR/N before it, the 5D has established that a $3000 niche exists for a DSLR that can deliver high IQ without being a full-blown photojournalism body. These people want maximum enlargement capability more than any other single feature, and they WiLL pay $3000 for it.

They've already amortized the bodies they bought two years ago, so they're ready to buy again, especially if there are a few new features.

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RDKirk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,881
Next generation

Also, I think Nikon is to be thanked for an improved 5D at a competitive price. I'm almost certain their products sped up the evolutionary process over at Canon.

No, the DIGIC III generation was 90 percent engraved in stone a year or more ago. Whatever "reaction" Canon has to Nikon's latest offerings will be in the next generation of cameras.

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terrence333 Regular Member • Posts: 190
Re: New Version of 5D with more pixels - Canon CEO's response?

Johnny Novice wrote:

You may check the following link and other sites about the responses:

http://china.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fsStory/index.php?sel_lang=tchinese&storyid=51881

I could not remember the URL of the translator.

Cheers,

Johnny

We've heard this before again & again.

RDKirk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,881
Precisely

The tight little cluster around the centre seems odd to me - like they took the AF points out of an APS-C design.

The physical size of the 5D AF sensor array is exactly the same size as the APS-C sensor array. Furthermore, the physical size of the 1Ds sensor array is exactly the same size as the 1-D sensor array. In all cases, it appears a technical issue that Canon can't place AF sensors any farther than about 15mm from the center axis.

It's not just to annoy users.
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Ludovic Monchat Veteran Member • Posts: 3,217
I agree

People here thinks that it's easy to produce cameras and that a "roadmap" is something that Canon doesn't know and use.

Canon will maybe, maybe change his next generation of bodies and accelerate some new features release because of the new competition existing with Nikon but for now on, the sequel of the 5D is already in production and the sequel of the 400 too, or the project is finished and validated.

The only possible big change could be the launch of a new line, maybe a kind of better 5D or a lighter 5D to prevent people from buying the forthcoming SONY and/or the D300

We'll see, the big show is about to begin, DPR posted the first news Pre-CES 2008

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James A. Senior Member • Posts: 1,280
Re: Price point better be the current one...

I can see it being $2,599.99 US which would be a real sweet spot between the Nikon D300 and D3.

NowherMan6 wrote:

i.e. around $2200. If it's the original +$3000 they're wasting their
time.

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Anastigmat Forum Pro • Posts: 12,680
Re: More Pixels, Same Price...

I hope "same price" means the same price as the 5D is being sold for right now (~$2200), instead of the same price as the 5D's original price at the time of introduction ($3,300).

RDKirk wrote:

...not a surprise. Kodak had already proven the $3000 USD price
point was viable for this type of camera. I expect Canon will stick
to it.

RobjDickinson Regular Member • Posts: 404
Re: Google Translation...

I'd expect :

16mp, 14bit
Self cleaning.
live view,
lens focus micro adjustment (10 lenses?)
bigger 3" high rez LCD
Prehaps 5fps.

Anastigmat Forum Pro • Posts: 12,680
Re: Google Translation...

Wizard65 wrote:

Harry Lime wrote:

  • Weathersealed.

I am definitely in the market for a 5D and am willing to wait ...
however ... if the camera is not completely weather-sealed I will
pass. It just makes no sense to hang "L" class glass ... which is
weather-sealed ... on a non-weather-sealed camera. Quite frankly, I
am getting a bit tired of all this "protecting another product at the
cost of this product" BS. If you make the damn things, let each
stand of it's own ... let the market drive your sales. Stop screwing
around with your customers. Cheers ...

wiz

All manufacturers do it to some extent. They will always make you pay more if they possibly can. How much does a day/night lever on the rear view mirror cost? How much does an aperture coupling ring cost? A couple of bucks in both cases. But these niceties are sometimes missing from low end automobiles and cameras, respectively.

RobjDickinson Regular Member • Posts: 404
Re: Google Translation...

Anastigmat wrote:

Wizard65 wrote:

Harry Lime wrote:

  • Weathersealed.

I am definitely in the market for a 5D and am willing to wait ...
however ... if the camera is not completely weather-sealed I will
pass. It just makes no sense to hang "L" class glass ... which is
weather-sealed ... on a non-weather-sealed camera. Quite frankly, I
am getting a bit tired of all this "protecting another product at the
cost of this product" BS. If you make the damn things, let each
stand of it's own ... let the market drive your sales. Stop screwing
around with your customers. Cheers ...

wiz

All manufacturers do it to some extent. They will always make you pay
more if they possibly can. How much does a day/night lever on the
rear view mirror cost? How much does an aperture coupling ring cost?
A couple of bucks in both cases. But these niceties are sometimes
missing from low end automobiles and cameras, respectively.

Thing is to them, a small cost per item works out to a huge number once you churn out a high number of them.

Sony removed the PS2 chips from the PS3 recently - $25 or so, but making 5+ million a year it realy adds up.

Min Joong Kim Forum Member • Posts: 69
5D replacement probably @ $2,599.99

Probably "the same price" the Canon ceo mentioned is $2,599.99, which is the list price at Amazon.com..

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RDKirk Forum Pro • Posts: 15,881
The "suggested retail" price on usa.canon.com is a bit less (nt)
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L Weathersealed? On another planet Re: Google Translation...

Wizard65 wrote:

I am definitely in the market for a 5D and am willing to wait ...
however ... if the camera is not completely weather-sealed I will
pass. It just makes no sense to hang "L" class glass ... which is
weather-sealed ... on a non-weather-sealed camera.

I have 5 "L" lenses (4 primes) and not a single one is weathersealed. Weather sealing of L lenses is a very recent innovation.

Weather sealing is nice future proof of the camera, but it doesn't do a darned thing for me since my L lenses are not sealed.

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