What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

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LucaPCP Contributing Member • Posts: 830
What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

I am undecided between the 12-60 and the 14-54 lenses. I am not so concerned about AF speed; my main concern is sharpness, and image quality.

I am not worried by the smaller range of the 14-54; I am just wondering which lens has the better image quality in the common range, and just how large the difference is.
Many thanks,

Luca

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Re: What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

I don't have any images to compare the two but I sold my 14-54 to make way for the 12-60 and I am fairly confident that the 12-60 has better sharpness. Mind you I was using the 14-54 on the E-1 and am now using the 12-60 on the E-3 so there are other factors which come into play.

So far I can't fault the sharpness of the 12-60, only the distortion at the wide end.
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Miss Sophie Contributing Member • Posts: 658
Re: What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

For all intents and purposes they two are similar in sharpness in the common range. Bokeh fanatics will probably prefer the 12-60, though.
If IQ is your #1 priority, get the 14-35?
Soph.

LucaPCP wrote:

I am undecided between the 12-60 and the 14-54 lenses. I am not so
concerned about AF speed; my main concern is sharpness, and image
quality.
I am not worried by the smaller range of the 14-54; I am just
wondering which lens has the better image quality in the common
range, and just how large the difference is.
Many thanks,

Luca

OP LucaPCP Contributing Member • Posts: 830
Re: What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

The 14-35? I cannot find it at http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/lens/dea/products/lens/index.asp
(well, neither the 12-60 is there, in fact).

Luca

Miss Sophie wrote:
For all intents and purposes they two are similar in sharpness in the
common range. Bokeh fanatics will probably prefer the 12-60, though.
If IQ is your #1 priority, get the 14-35?
Soph.

LucaPCP wrote:

I am undecided between the 12-60 and the 14-54 lenses. I am not so
concerned about AF speed; my main concern is sharpness, and image
quality.
I am not worried by the smaller range of the 14-54; I am just
wondering which lens has the better image quality in the common
range, and just how large the difference is.
Many thanks,

Luca

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Miss Sophie Contributing Member • Posts: 658
Re: What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

The 2/14-35 should be out in march or something. From what I hear from people who have used pre-production versions it will be worth the wait.
Soph.

LucaPCP wrote:
The 14-35? I cannot find it at
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/lens/dea/products/lens/index.asp
(well, neither the 12-60 is there, in fact).

Luca

Miss Sophie wrote:
For all intents and purposes they two are similar in sharpness in the
common range. Bokeh fanatics will probably prefer the 12-60, though.
If IQ is your #1 priority, get the 14-35?
Soph.

LucaPCP wrote:

I am undecided between the 12-60 and the 14-54 lenses. I am not so
concerned about AF speed; my main concern is sharpness, and image
quality.
I am not worried by the smaller range of the 14-54; I am just
wondering which lens has the better image quality in the common
range, and just how large the difference is.
Many thanks,

Luca

Tchou Contributing Member • Posts: 570
Re: What is sharpest: 12-60 or 14-54?

Add the fact that at the same Focal, the 14-54 is faster than the 12-60mm

12-60@14mm=f2,9, 18mm=f3,2 25mm=f3,4, 35mm=f3,7, 54mm=f4
14-54@14mm=f2,8, 18mm=f2,9 25mm=f3,1, 35mm=f3,2, 54mm=f3,5
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Check the other thread for blur comparison
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Bienenwabe Regular Member • Posts: 134
Re: Check the other thread for blur comparison

Hi!

For shure the 12-60 has to be better than the 14-54. The reason for that is, that the 14-54 is not good enough for the 10 MP sensor any more. It got an "Empfehlung" by German computer magazines only for the 8 MP sensor of the E-500, but did get no "Empfehlung" for the 10 MP sensor (i.e. the sharpness is not good enough for the 10 MP sensor). For that reason the newer sensors with higher pixel count definitely need the new 12-60 for optimal sharpness.

Many people do not like to hear that, but that surely was the reason for Olympus to develop this new lens.

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Bob Clegg Contributing Member • Posts: 910
Re: Check the other thread for blur comparison

Bienenwabe wrote:

Hi!
For shure the 12-60 has to be better than the 14-54.
the newer sensors with higher pixel count
definitely need the new 12-60 for optimal sharpness.
Many people do not like to hear that, but that surely was the reason
for Olympus to develop this new lens.

Best regards

Bienenwabe

....or possibly if they had not developed the 12-60 they would have sold most E-3's as body only since the majority of buyers already have some Olympus glass such as the excellent 14-54....... Marketing?

Bob.
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Here are 2 links for lens info

LucaPCP wrote:

The 14-35? I cannot find it at
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/lens/dea/products/lens/index.asp
(well, neither the 12-60 is there, in fact).

Try this Oly site:
http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/products/lens/

Or the four-thirds site:
http://www.four-thirds.org/en/products/lense.html

But beware, the 14-35 is going to cost quite a bit! For what the 14-35 will cost you will be able to get the 12-60 and the 50-200 SWD and still have money left over. Or the 12-60 and the 7-14. I'm not sure of overseas prices, but it will cost 247,000 yen here in Japan (my 12-60 was 89,000 yen)

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Simon Cowell Senior Member • Posts: 2,544
Interesting...

I'm thinking along the same lines and wonder why Olympus didn't introduce a 14-54 SWD version but opted for a completely redesigned 12-60 instead?

I agree it's likely the 'old' now 14-54 may not have the resolution for 10mp since it was designed to match the E-1 specs. But it'll be enough for most practical purposes I think.

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Re: Check the other thread for blur comparison

Bienenwabe wrote:

Hi!
For shure the 12-60 has to be better than the 14-54. The reason for
that is, that the 14-54 is not good enough for the 10 MP sensor any
more. It got an "Empfehlung" by German computer magazines only for
the 8 MP sensor of the E-500, but did get no "Empfehlung" for the 10
MP sensor (i.e. the sharpness is not good enough for the 10 MP
sensor). For that reason the newer sensors with higher pixel count
definitely need the new 12-60 for optimal sharpness.
Many people do not like to hear that, but that surely was the reason
for Olympus to develop this new lens.

Best regards

Bienenwabe

The German word Empfehlung = recommendation or reference in English. It has nothing to do with resolution. Oly of course advice you to get the 12-60. They will make more money on the lens, and of course the 12-60 is a better lens. It is SWD and ED, so it supposed to be better. As for the resolution, I think that is just bla bla. Of course the old pro lenses did not stop working on higher resolution than 5 MP, even if they were designed when the E-1 came out, resolution was not limited to 5MP.

I must yet to see a computer magazine I can trust. Especially in regarding about lens tests and photography related issues, I would definitely not rely on information coming from a computer magazine, German, Swedish or any other I have seen so far. I hardly trust most photography related magazines, since I don't really know the background of most writers. Remember, they review a camera after a few hours of use, and pass judgements, some times based on pure lack of knowledge. Knowing most journalists have very limited knowledge on subjects they usually write about, why would that be different in this matter?
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lensman Regular Member • Posts: 243
Re: Check the other thread for blur comparison

Excuse me but I always thought that lenses were optimized for the size of the sensor ( ie. 4/3rds. ). What has the number of megapixils got to do with it ?????

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Re: Check the other thread for blur comparison

lensman wrote:

Excuse me but I always thought that lenses were optimized for the
size of the sensor ( ie. 4/3rds. ). What has the number of megapixils
got to do with it ?????

Nothing. Period.

The only thing I can think of is that some people need to sort of justify their spendings. One thing that justifies the cost is that they convince themselves the new lenses are especially designed for a certein megapixel, which is of course nonsense. Lenses do have maximum resolution, but I strongly believe the oldest and worse 4/3 has much more than 10 MP resolution. I am definitely convinced, without looking at any charts that Oly would never release a lens and limit it's quality to a lousy 5MP resolution. I don't know if that is technically possible to do at all, but anyway, 30-40 year old film OM lenses has around 40 MP resolutions or more, if I am not wrong, so I can hardly think modern lenses are worse than that. And I mean any lens of any brand.
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