NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Started Nov 27, 2007 | Discussions
jmcwk Forum Member • Posts: 65
Swim Meet

Beau,

If I may ask for your advice opinion and or advice please as well as preface this with I am completely new to the digital world of photography. My nephew has an upcoming swim meet and his mother wants me to try and take some shots during the meet. I have no idea what the lighting is for the pool however it was used for the Pan American Games and is not your run of the mill pool so expect somewhat good light etc ??? Anyway camera being used is a 70S and the Lens a 70/200 f/2.8 can you give me any tips on shooting under these conditions ?

Thank You

John

allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Thanks for the info Beau. Mixed lighting is tough. I shoot events w/ difficult lighting too and a few minutes of selective color balancing in potatoshop on a properly callibrated monitor can do wonders . Just a suggestion

Nikond2000 - I'm a Canon user but I'd give the D300 another chance. I've got a couple friends here in Tokyo shooting with it and I'm seeing good results - sharp w/ noise under control right with the 40d. Fact is - the playing field has leveled with crop cams. Good luck w/ the football game.

ralphcramdon Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Beau Long wrote:

ralphcramdon wrote:

try manual, 1/400, f2.8, auto iso, and matrix meter and see what iso
u get

Thanks Ralph. I'll give it a shot next time. I'm always learning and
appreciate the feedback.
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auto iso will compensate for the diff light on the court....lots of mid court shots will have muh lower iso requirements

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Thanks!

allnak wrote:

Thanks for the info Beau. Mixed lighting is tough. I shoot events
w/ difficult lighting too and a few minutes of selective color
balancing in potatoshop on a properly callibrated monitor can do
wonders . Just a suggestion

Do me a favor. Take either shot and give it a go so I can see what you're talking about. I would really appreciate. I've been wondering whether or not my monitor has cooled off some. It calibrates fine on this end, but it's getting old and I'm not sure it holds it very well. I would appreciate the comparison.

ralphcramdon Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

nikond2000 wrote:

Im sorry also but this looks very plastic in my opinion and what Im
also finding with the D300. I have done some serious evaluating of
my gear over the last couple of days. Simply love the D200 but hate
that cannot do low light.
I need a camera that will perform in low light and give crisp images.
I have already taken one D300 back due to not being sharp and
exposure issues.
To the poster take several shots around the house with ISo 1600 and
3200 and post here what your getting. I havent had time to do with
second D300 but the first all look like the shot you posted from the
beginning.
I have to side with the Canon guy on this one. I have seen alot
better low light pics with MUCH more detail from the Canon 40D vs the
D300 so far. The D300 that I used produced muddy looking pics lke
this and the Canon shots look alot more alive than plastic. It
doesnt come down to a flame war, but comes down to what really looks
better.
This weekend Im going to be shooting football at a night game. If
the D300 doesn't perform and pics look like your first one its going
back hands down. We have all defend Nikon against Canon and other
makers for a long time. Im tired of all that. Canon has been in the
market of CMOS alot longer than NIKON and also has had better low
light pics than Nikon longer. If they can do it better in my testing
IM jumping ship. Sorry.
Im loyal to Nikon till proven otherwise

i compared a d200 to a 30d and the 30d was much better at high iso and low noise BUT the 30d's af system is poor in low light so i missed a high % of shots...

flattop1 Contributing Member • Posts: 921
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Worst thing is, that was my best. Here is a link to the rest of them.

http://www.flattopfoto.com/gallery/3761544

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Makes complete sense...

ralphcramdon wrote:

Beau Long wrote:

ralphcramdon wrote:

try manual, 1/400, f2.8, auto iso, and matrix meter and see what iso
u get

Thanks Ralph. I'll give it a shot next time. I'm always learning and
appreciate the feedback.
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http://www.nikonians-images.org/galleries/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/108565

auto iso will compensate for the diff light on the court....lots of
mid court shots will have muh lower iso requirements

Sometimes being anal about manual everything, you can often "think" yourself right out of better results. I'll definitly give it a shot next time. Thanks again Ralph!
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OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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flattop1 wrote:

Worst thing is, that was my best. Here is a link to the rest of them.

http://www.flattopfoto.com/gallery/3761544

Major college/pro arenas and the newer uber gyms are like shooting in daylight compared to some of these caves.

That's why I do as much daytime sports as possible so I can keep myself sane.

allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Beau,

What's your email address? I'll send you a quick pp'd version of the first shot (color changes).

allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
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Beau,

Sent an email to your website email address with attached pic.

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
YGM n/t

allnak wrote:

Beau,

What's your email address? I'll send you a quick pp'd version of the
first shot (color changes).

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Color correction version

allnak wrote:

Beau,

Sent an email to your website email address with attached pic.

Got it! Here's allnak's corrected version. This is a slightly brighter version of what came off the cam before I cooled it down in post that night. But now, comparing the 2, this one looks much better IMO.

monopoly Forum Member • Posts: 63
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I'm sorry to say i have to agree with those who feel that this shot has had far too much noise reduction applied to it; it's really not pretty.

Everything looks like texture-less plastic, especially the athletes' skin. It's a good capture, but i would advise holding off on the noise reduction next time - if the image is good enough people won't notice the noise (and if they do they probably spend too much time analysing 100% crops of every camera under the sun, in order to determine which has the 1/2 stop noise advantage).

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dmb34 Regular Member • Posts: 354
How About...

snappey wrote:

Elixir wrote:

Do you actually take pictures with your Canon cameras, or do you
spend all your time defending them? One would think if they were so
good, you wouldn't need to go to all this trouble.

I look at your history and see a rather pitiful record of trolling
and nonsense in here. Think you might grow up one of these days?

All someone has to do is look at my posting history in this D300
forum to see that, with perhaps the exception of one post, I respond
to posts or comments about the 40D/30D/20D cameras that are made here
in this forum and then respond to any responses to my posts. Even in
this thread right here, I continued an earlier discussion that had
occurred regarding the 40D/20D high ISO basketball capabilities as
compared to the D300, here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=25602663
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=25619388

So, even in this thread, I am disccusing the technical issues in the
thread and commenting on comparisons between the D300 and 40D. You,
however, just continue with personal attacks.

You want to see some of my photos? You first. Let's see some of yours.

you discuss your 40D in the Canon forum. Last time I checked, this was a Nikon forum.
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dmb34 Regular Member • Posts: 354
Please...

don't give us such dribble about the 40D's AF capabilities. I cannot comment on the D300's, as I have not received mine yet. However, I went through 2 40D's and neither had what I considered to be acceptable continous AF. Not to mention the several threads over at the Canon forum that talked about exactly the same issue. One word for you: eRRor99

Matthew Scott

Bill Grove Regular Member • Posts: 406
From game last night

Took these last night.

Resized, D300 80-200 F2.8AFS, manual exposure F2.8 @ 1/250th, white balance set with EXPODISC. All ISO6400, in camera NR set at Normal

If the exposure is correct the results are fantastic all the way to ISO6400

Jason Shaffer Contributing Member • Posts: 540
Looks like Watercolor,

too much NR. Was that from the camera, or was some NR done in post? I'm interested in how well Nikon's new cameras are doing in the ISO realm, they are supposed to be much better. But based on that real-world result, I may be sticking with Canon for the time being.

Jason

Just to let you know, this is not a flame post or troll post, I have a genuine question. Thanks.

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sayheywertz New Member • Posts: 11
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My understanding is that DOF is impacted only by F stop and distance. The lower lit gyms require F2.8 (which I believe your sample was taken at), so your image already shows the shallowest DOF possible with DX - the ISO is not relevant. This is my only beef with DX.

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Re: Looks like Watercolor,

Jason Shaffer wrote:

too much NR. Was that from the camera, or was some NR done in post?
I'm interested in how well Nikon's new cameras are doing in the ISO
realm, they are supposed to be much better. But based on that
real-world result, I may be sticking with Canon for the time being.

Jason

Just to let you know, this is not a flame post or troll post, I have
a genuine question. Thanks.

Jason, I've used the 30D in this very same gym and I can tell you it would not have come close to this... nor would have the D200. No flame, just fact. I don't know what the previous poster did to his excellent shots, but I had the NR set to Normal on mine. I didn't try OFF due to my late arrival and the hurry to get the tipoff (which I missed). And then just kept shooting and just forgot about the High ISO NR setting.

Some of my ISO3200-5000 shots with the NR set to normal do look like the 1600's I got with the 30D though... same plastic look.

DavidVogt Contributing Member • Posts: 709
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

You did a nice job of capturing an exciting moment, but this is heavily overprocessed and has lost all detail. I'm guessing this is due to postprocessing, rather than in-camera processing.

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