NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Started Nov 27, 2007 | Discussions
Elixir Contributing Member • Posts: 679
(rolls eyes)

Al-righty, then. Whatever you say, dude.

As far as I'm concerned, your 5 minutes are up.

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

flattop1 wrote:

Here is the closest thing I have. This was with a d200 - 80-200 f2.8.
I have to do better than this to upgrade.

That's a decent shot. You know how tough it is. I know a half dozen others that all have the same opinion... and one that's a full time sports shooter. It's probably one of the toughest sitch's you could shoot in. So if anyone could enlighten me, honestly (not trying to be coy), I could make mine and a few other's cave life much easier short of buying a mobile $1500 strobe set up.

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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flattop1 wrote:

By the way thanks. This is what I am looking for. I need to know that
if I go to the d300 that I will get much better shots than with my
d200.

Better noise performance equals higher ISO & faster shutter. There's no way I could've gotten 1/320 with the D200 and 80-200 2.8 in the gym my shot was taken in without some serious editing & NR... and forget about 3200. I've got a copy of my shot with a quick auto pass thru Neat iMage that looks smooth and sharper than the straight off the cam shot I posted.

If you got the same performance at 3200 that you could with 1200-1600, you can get better shots... more stop action. Those lights look fairly decent compared to the Univ of Podunks set up.
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Elixir Contributing Member • Posts: 679
Different conditions...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the DOF wasn't too shallow in this shot. Everything (including the crowd) seems to be in focus. It's hard to know if the D300 would have done better.

Beau's shot was infinitely more difficult and the lighting situation made it even tougher. I've shot in those dimly lit barns. No cakewalk, that's for sure. The fact that he got anything tells me quite a bit.

Sure, it's not stellar magazine material, but it's pretty remarkable given the conditions... and how poorly many of us know the D200 would have done in the same situation.

And in case "someone" wants to change the subject again to "how the 40D would have done," I couldn't care less. I no longer own the 40D (because I also know how it would have done).

snappey Senior Member • Posts: 1,050
Re: (rolls eyes)

Is this a last word contest now?

Elixir wrote:

Al-righty, then. Whatever you say, dude.

As far as I'm concerned, your 5 minutes are up.

Elixir Contributing Member • Posts: 679
Re: (rolls eyes)

snappey wrote:

Is this a last word contest now?

If it is, you win. Congrats.

snappey Senior Member • Posts: 1,050
Re: Different conditions...

Elixir wrote:

And in case "someone" wants to change the subject again to "how the
40D would have done," I couldn't care less. I no longer own the 40D
(because I also know how it would have done).

The 40D would have done great. Certainly better than this 20D at iso1600:

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=348694507&size=o

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Re: Different conditions...

snappey wrote:

Elixir wrote:

And in case "someone" wants to change the subject again to "how the
40D would have done," I couldn't care less. I no longer own the 40D
(because I also know how it would have done).

The 40D would have done great. Certainly better than this 20D at
iso1600:

Shot with a flash and looks to be heavily NR'd... try again...

flattop1 Contributing Member • Posts: 921
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

One end of the gym was ok. The other end had banners hanging covering much of the gym.

allnak Regular Member • Posts: 363
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

Beau,

Was wondering if you could answer my question from earlier: Are the colors straight out of the cam or did you adjust in PP?

puddleduck Senior Member • Posts: 2,513
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No offence Beau, but these are hideous.

I think you need to learn the camera a bit more - I'm no D300 fanboy (I am very sceptical of the 2 stop claims) but these are just terrible. Plastic, and textureless.

You can't be happy with that output, even web-sized its shocking.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen better from a D200 (see recent thread on Nikon Cafe), or from the D2Hs (ice hockey pics).

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ralphcramdon Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
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Beau Long wrote:

ralphcramdon wrote:

ouch, that's terrible, sorry

Thanks! Care to post something you've done in a similar sitch? Teach me.

Seriously... all you sports shooters please post your results from HS
gyms. I've seen little to no sports action from similar situations on
this forum. A little arena lit bball and good light stuff, but hardly
any Friday night HS football or HS gym shooting. Is it this tough for
everyone?
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yes it's very tuff for everyone but it's about to get alot easier (D3 & D300)

it's very unlikely you needed iso3200 for a college game...i can get by w alot less for hs

this was shot 2 weeks ago w/ a d200 + sigma 30 1.4 at f2, iso560 and 1/400....i bounced an sb800 off the wall behind me.....i'm really waiting for a d3 so i can stop using flash for bb

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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allnak wrote:

Beau,

Was wondering if you could answer my question from earlier: Are the
colors straight out of the cam or did you adjust in PP?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=25788314
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OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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ralphcramdon wrote:

yes it's very tuff for everyone but it's about to get alot easier (D3
& D300)
it's very unlikely you needed iso3200 for a college game...i can get
by w alot less for hs

this was shot 2 weeks ago w/ a d200 + sigma 30 1.4 at f2, iso560 and
1/400....i bounced an sb800 off the wall behind me.....i'm really
waiting for a d3 so i can stop using flash for bb

Great exposure Ralph! I had read about the wall bounce for goal shots, but always find myself away from a wall! LOL

Anyway, yes, 3200 was needed. If the light were any better, trust me, I would've utilized faster shutter at a lower ISO. I'm no seasoned full time pro, but I do appreciate available light to know when I can take advantage of it. My whole mind set at this first game with the D300 was to see if I could reasonably leave the 1.8 fixed lenses in the bag and utilize the flexibility of the 2.8 zooms. I'm quite impressed with the D300's ability to let me do this. The D3 would be a dream...

ralphcramdon Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
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Beau Long wrote:

ralphcramdon wrote:

yes it's very tuff for everyone but it's about to get alot easier (D3
& D300)
it's very unlikely you needed iso3200 for a college game...i can get
by w alot less for hs

this was shot 2 weeks ago w/ a d200 + sigma 30 1.4 at f2, iso560 and
1/400....i bounced an sb800 off the wall behind me.....i'm really
waiting for a d3 so i can stop using flash for bb

Great exposure Ralph! I had read about the wall bounce for goal
shots, but always find myself away from a wall! LOL

Anyway, yes, 3200 was needed. If the light were any better, trust me,
I would've utilized faster shutter at a lower ISO. I'm no seasoned
full time pro, but I do appreciate available light to know when I can
take advantage of it. My whole mind set at this first game with the
D300 was to see if I could reasonably leave the 1.8 fixed lenses in
the bag and utilize the flexibility of the 2.8 zooms. I'm quite
impressed with the D300's ability to let me do this. The D3 would be
a dream...

what ss were u after ?
the lights there must really suck to need 3200

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
Re: NCAA DivII Basketball 3200

puddleduck wrote:

No offence Beau, but these are hideous.

I think you need to learn the camera a bit more - I'm no D300 fanboy
(I am very sceptical of the 2 stop claims) but these are just
terrible. Plastic, and textureless.

You can't be happy with that output, even web-sized its shocking.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen better from a
D200 (see recent thread on Nikon Cafe), or from the D2Hs (ice hockey
pics).

Trust me... none taken... You really have to shoot in this sitch to know what you can and can't get out of it.

I'm not looking for ooohs & ahhhs, just showing what this cam can do in a tough sitch. Tougher than many obviously realize... all gyms are not equal. When available light is different from one end of the court to the other, it makes for trying times. WB is all over the place. You do the best you can and these look just fine at 8X10 or news print (where they are headed).

Thanks for your comment and you have a great eye for landscapes!

ralphcramdon Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
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try manual, 1/400, f2.8, auto iso, and matrix meter and see what iso u get

nikond2000 Senior Member • Posts: 2,010
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Im sorry also but this looks very plastic in my opinion and what Im also finding with the D300. I have done some serious evaluating of my gear over the last couple of days. Simply love the D200 but hate that cannot do low light.

I need a camera that will perform in low light and give crisp images. I have already taken one D300 back due to not being sharp and exposure issues.

To the poster take several shots around the house with ISo 1600 and 3200 and post here what your getting. I havent had time to do with second D300 but the first all look like the shot you posted from the beginning.

I have to side with the Canon guy on this one. I have seen alot better low light pics with MUCH more detail from the Canon 40D vs the D300 so far. The D300 that I used produced muddy looking pics lke this and the Canon shots look alot more alive than plastic. It doesnt come down to a flame war, but comes down to what really looks better.

This weekend Im going to be shooting football at a night game. If the D300 doesn't perform and pics look like your first one its going back hands down. We have all defend Nikon against Canon and other makers for a long time. Im tired of all that. Canon has been in the market of CMOS alot longer than NIKON and also has had better low light pics than Nikon longer. If they can do it better in my testing IM jumping ship. Sorry.
Im loyal to Nikon till proven otherwise

OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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ralphcramdon wrote:

Beau Long wrote:

ralphcramdon wrote:

yes it's very tuff for everyone but it's about to get alot easier (D3
& D300)
it's very unlikely you needed iso3200 for a college game...i can get
by w alot less for hs

this was shot 2 weeks ago w/ a d200 + sigma 30 1.4 at f2, iso560 and
1/400....i bounced an sb800 off the wall behind me.....i'm really
waiting for a d3 so i can stop using flash for bb

Great exposure Ralph! I had read about the wall bounce for goal
shots, but always find myself away from a wall! LOL

Anyway, yes, 3200 was needed. If the light were any better, trust me,
I would've utilized faster shutter at a lower ISO. I'm no seasoned
full time pro, but I do appreciate available light to know when I can
take advantage of it. My whole mind set at this first game with the
D300 was to see if I could reasonably leave the 1.8 fixed lenses in
the bag and utilize the flexibility of the 2.8 zooms. I'm quite
impressed with the D300's ability to let me do this. The D3 would be
a dream...

what ss were u after ?
the lights there must really suck to need 3200

Yes, they are the worst I've seen. It is literally only bright in the middle and falls off to both ends and sides. They really need to overhaul the set up. They go from a bright yellow in the middle to a yellowish brown at the ends. That's why I'm usually the only bug in there. Even the school AI said his people don't even try anymore. No excuses. I got what I could and don't expect anyone that hasn't been there to appreciate. All is good on my side. The players and school media are very happy. That's what counts. If anyone would like to join me on my next outing there, I'd be happy to let you tag along... Hartsville SC.

I got 320-400 at 3200... I would've liked to get 500+. The D200/30D was lucky to get 300ish with 1.8 and 1600. 3200 was a no go with those bodies in there.
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OP Beau Long Contributing Member • Posts: 972
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ralphcramdon wrote:

try manual, 1/400, f2.8, auto iso, and matrix meter and see what iso
u get

Thanks Ralph. I'll give it a shot next time. I'm always learning and appreciate the feedback.
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