E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

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BKK dan Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

Went out for a little toughness challenge with the E-3 and 12-60mm: To a local boxing event.

Without flash. All shots taken above ISO 2000 - some at 2500, some at 3200.

S-priority, full AF points, other settings auto/0.

PP: Noiseware and CS2 auto contrast, no sharpening.

The same task would have been impossible with the E-1, just to mention the old AF. Those 11 AF points of the E-3 can save lives.

I could go on and go on. For a first outing with the E-3 I'm more than happy.

They're not too sharp, but I am getting there. It's clearly not the tools fault, but the fool's.

The wait was long, but worth it.

But battery hungry she is, even without flash. Probably worth to get the grip. And don't forget to run that Pixel mapping. Had an ugly white dot in all the shots. The mapping made it go.

Last but not least: I missed a whole world without the E-3. Finally the door is open for speedier tasks in difficult light.

The whole gallery is here:
http://www.pbase.com/cyberholz/muay_thai

The images would be nicer as b&w with some noise grain. But then again, let's see how the colors do in those not to perfect light conditions.

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Kurt Petersen Senior Member • Posts: 2,573
Fantastic Dan

Brad told me you were good, but I think it's the first time I've seen your shots.
Nice

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OP BKK dan Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
And here some more (imgs)
Torsten Hoff Veteran Member • Posts: 3,787
Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

I guess that settles the question of the E-3 not having the nice E-1 colors. (c8

Jono Slack
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Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

Splendid Dan
Did you have the C-af lock on as well?

great colours, it seems to have done a really good job

much pp?

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keggo Contributing Member • Posts: 535
Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

Wonderful! I just got my E-3 yesterday and noticed a "hot" pixel as well. I too ran pixel mapping and now it's gone... kind of odd... heh heh. Great shots!

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OP BKK dan Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
Regarding PP Jono

Thank you for the kind words Jono.

Actually I didn't invest any time in PP - it's quick and dirty here.

As mentioned, only noiseware and auto contrast. Whereas with a setting of contrast +14 for instance the colors would really shine and the blacks would get nice and strong.

But this is basically out of the camera.

Did you have the C-af lock on as well?

Used AF-C setting

Jono Slack
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Re: Regarding PP Jono

HI There

BKK dan wrote:

Thank you for the kind words Jono.

Actually I didn't invest any time in PP - it's quick and dirty here.

As mentioned, only noiseware and auto contrast. Whereas with a
setting of contrast +14 for instance the colors would really shine
and the blacks would get nice and strong.

But this is basically out of the camera.

Well, I think these are great, and for me they fill a big gap in what I know about the camera - i.e. sports in low light and fast autofocus.

Did you have the C-af lock on as well?

Used AF-C setting

I realised that - I meant the C-AF - lock setting:
Spanner 1 menu
Spanner C setting

I think the idea is that it'll keep track of the subject when something comes between it and you, but I haven't tried it.

I'm sure that lots of people will be really pleased and excited to see these shots (all those indoor soccer people in the states!).

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tissunique Veteran Member • Posts: 3,335
Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

You've answered my big question: performance in low light. I'm afraid I'm going to pass as I'm not impressed with colours or sharpness.
Tony

OP BKK dan Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
As said Tissunique:

I said in the post that the shots are not sharp.

That was my first attempt out with the camera.

It is not a fool proof, automatic image machine.

But I am sure the camera will grow on me/you.

And as said as well: All of those shots in the gallery were not possible with the E-1.

I'm confident I'll get them sharp. Just have to learn how to handle that beast.

OP BKK dan Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
Wasn't aware of that lock Jono.

Used the camera with the virgin out of the box AF-C setting.

Will give that thingy you mention a try though! Sounds promising.

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tissunique wrote:

You've answered my big question: performance in low light. I'm afraid
I'm going to pass as I'm not impressed with colours or sharpness.

Pass on the camera or the pictures? Because if you mean the camera, then I hope you can change your mind about judging a camera by out-of-camera pictures with minimal PP shot by a user only starting with the camera (and who says as much).

I mostly hope you can change your opinion so you can have more camera choices yourself - the E-3s seem to be doing well anyway.

pinnacle Senior Member • Posts: 2,616
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Troll alert...

Look at "tissunique's" history of posts.

That's all you'll need to know to ignore him/her.

Dan

tissunique wrote:

You've answered my big question: performance in low light. I'm afraid
I'm going to pass as I'm not impressed with colours or sharpness.
Tony

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tissunique Veteran Member • Posts: 3,335
Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

Hi

I can only go on what I see, however, I do recognise that the settings used may not be ideal and the photographer may not be very experienced. I could have taken as good as this with my E-1. For this type of low-light (and action) shooting this is definately not the camera but for everything else it's probably great. I was also a little puzzled by the positive feedback on the images by other posters... The E-1 remains one of the best cameras I have ever used but was only OK for low light
Tony

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Read the poster's history

Not a troll perhaps, but not averse to a little erm poking.

I actually think these are the most important shots I've seen from the E3 - especially considering that it's straight from the box, and as for the colour - seems fab to me!

Maybe your skin's thicker than mine, but I'd be stung, so here's a little sympathy!

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tissunique Veteran Member • Posts: 3,335
Re: E-3: A little toughness test at Thai Boxing (imgs)

Oh Please! Everyone is entitled to a view and I have seriously been considering the E-3 after having serious problems with 2 1D MKIIIs.
Tony

tissunique Veteran Member • Posts: 3,335
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Jono, they are vital to me as I have to make a decisiion in the next 5 days and really did consider the E-3 after great experiences with my E-1 and very bad experiences with 2 x 1D MKIIIs - 90% of my photography is low (and awful) concert light. I cannot afford to make another mistake!!! At best I cannot make a purchase decision based on these photos
best wishes
Tony

D Q E Senior Member • Posts: 2,409
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Good stuff, shame about the Noiseware. There's no shame in a bit of grain, and it suits subjects like this well.

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Jono Slack
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HI Tony

tissunique wrote:

Jono, they are vital to me as I have to make a decisiion in the next
5 days and really did consider the E-3 after great experiences with
my E-1 and very bad experiences with 2 x 1D MKIIIs - 90% of my
photography is low (and awful) concert light. I cannot afford to make
another mistake!!! At best I cannot make a purchase decision based on
these photos

I can quite understand - although I think the colours work well, and if he was using 2500 ISO . . . My experience with concerts (not that great) is that the light is at least better directed! Also, the focusing wouldn't normally be quite as much of a task as it is here.

Surely you can beg, borrow or steal one for a 'test gig'

One thing I can say, is that there are so many available settings that the chance of getting it right first time is pretty remote!

kind regards

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D Q E Senior Member • Posts: 2,409
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Jono Slack wrote:

Not a troll perhaps, but not averse to a little erm poking.
I actually think these are the most important shots I've seen from
the E3 - especially considering that it's straight from the box, and
as for the colour - seems fab to me!

The Noiseware queers the pitch completely, don't you think?

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