NEC 2690WUXi - can it handle regular sRGB?

Started Oct 1, 2007 | Discussions
amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: Half of the price?

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special" prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925 range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

bullet1 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,241
Re: Half of the price?

amikoenig wrote:

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special"
prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The
Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925
range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

Well, neither Amazon.com nor ritzcamera.com is a small outfit. I found those prices by a quick google search. They are not fake. You can even get that price from ritzcamera.com directly. I don't have any connections with either but I have ordered items from both and considered them reliable.

I just cannot believe NEC is charging so much for a 26". My Dell 30" only cost $1K 6 months ago.

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Estimated "Street" price from NEC..

take a look -- supposedly $1299

http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Series/?series=171d9fbb-281e-44d8-be67-14d146e8ada0

A number of outfits (Amazon, Buy, Provantage) sell for less than the $1299 quoted by NEC's own site. However, it is odd/strange that there are also resellers with much higher prices -- who are either not up to speed with keeping their sites updated, or are just trying to rip off unsuspecting folks..

amikoenig wrote:

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special"
prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The
Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925
range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

65JX137 New Member • Posts: 14
Re: Estimated "Street" price from NEC..

PicOne wrote:
A number of outfits (Amazon, Buy, Provantage) sell for less than the
$1299 quoted by NEC's own site. However, it is odd/strange that
there are also resellers with much higher prices -- who are either
not up to speed with keeping their sites updated, or are just trying
to rip off unsuspecting folks..

amikoenig wrote:

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special"
prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The
Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925
range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

I think it's that the $1300 versions are just the LCD2690WUXi, where as when you pay closer to $1500~1600 you're getting the LCD2690WUXi-SV, which comes with Spectraview and a colorimeter (NEC co-branded GretagMacbeth, I think). Of course, some stores will sell a non-SV model for $1600, so just avoid them.

Also, I don't think the Planar pivots to portrait... Maybe not a big deal to most, but pivoting could be handy for editing portrait-aspect photos.

I skimmed through a review of the Planar PX2611W just now... Don't know how reliable the source* was, but it didn't get a very good review.

( http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193631,00.asp )

amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: Half of the price?

bullet1 wrote:

amikoenig wrote:

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special"
prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The
Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925
range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

I just cannot believe NEC is charging so much for a 26". My Dell 30"
only cost $1K 6 months ago.

I agree. The NEC 26 inch is grossly overpriced when comapred with the Planar which is basically the same thing.

amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: Estimated "Street" price from NEC..

shiftis wrote:

amikoenig wrote:

Many people try and throw around these artifically low, or "special"
prices for the NEC 2690 when the street price is really $1600. The
Planar is is widely available from reputable dealers in the $850-$925
range. Why pay $750 more for the same thing?

I skimmed through a review of the Planar PX2611W just now... Don't
know how reliable the source* was, but it didn't get a very good
review.

( http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2193631,00.asp )

I own the Planar and am very happy with it. There are many happy owners at Hardforum as has been noted on that forum.

dmb34 Regular Member • Posts: 354
Thank You Will49!

Will49 wrote:

Tom

I'm sorry you are so upset about the apparent lack of a calibratable
sRGB mode on the LCD2690, but please step back a bit and look at what
is going on, and how things should work, and how things will
hopefully work in the future.

First of all, the LCD2690 is marketed as a wide color gamut monitor.
If that doesn't suit a particular application, the LCD2490 is the
recommended alternative. It has identical features but is 2" smaller
and of course closely matches sRGB colorspace.

The monitor is doing what is was intended to do - display images in
wide color gamut. To use it in sRGB mode is kind of like getting a
Porsche and driving it around in first gear. OK, granted there are
times when you may need to do this, but it shouldn't be that often.
This same "problem" applies to not only the NEC LCD2690, but also the
30" Dell etc.

How about the web browser and core OS - are they doing what they
should be doing? The web browser should be color managing all web
images and converting them to render correctly in your monitor's
color space. If an image does not contain an embedded ICC profile,
then it should be assumed to be sRGB and converted to display
correctly on your monitor.

As you found out, IE on XP doesn't do this - it's color management
unaware.

You can confirm this using the following test page:
http://www.color.org/version4html.xalter

Contrast that to a Mac, where the browser understands color
management and this is pretty much a non-issue.

The latest beta of Firefox 3 is color management aware, if you enable
it. So as long as you have the correct ICC profile for the monitor
installed, images should be displayed correctly.

What is happening with the LCD2690 is that it is making the lack of
color management in IE frighteningly obvious because of the huge
color gamut difference between the image's color space and that of
the monitor. This same issue is present with all other monitors, but
because they are much closer to sRGB it isn't as apparent. So unless
your monitor just happens to exactly match sRGB, you aren't getting
exactly the colors you should be in IE.

Looking towards the future, it has finally become obvious that color
management is necessary in web browsers and other applications.
Unfortunately it took a long time and the introduction of wide gamut
monitors to hammer this home. Things are changing, for example new
versions of MS Office are now color management aware.

Now lets take a look at the sRGB modes on both the LCD2690 and LCD2490:

On both the LCD2490 and LCD2690, the sRGB preset is just that - a
factory preset. It can't be user adjusted on either. If you are using
a DVI digital signal then there shouldn't be much difference between
your PC and the system used to calibrate it at the factory.

The sRGB spec basically specifies the gamma, white point, and red,
green and blue primaries.

On the 2490, or any other standard gamut monitor, the primaries are
pretty close to sRGB. The white point can be adjusted to D65 and
gamma to 2.2 as per the sRGB spec. If you have a 3rd party
calibration system or SpectraView II, you can also directly calibrate
to "sRGB" because all that needs to be done is adjust the white pint
and gamma.

Now on the LCD2690, because it's red and green primaries are so
different from the sRGB spec, the only way to get it to emulate sRGB
is to do some fancy internal processing tricks to make it seem like
its actually close to sRGB. This means changing reds so they aren't
such a deep red, greens so they aren't so green, etc. When you select
sRGB this is what it is actually doing internally.

When it is in this preset sRGB mode, it is not possible to user
adjust it's internal white point or gamma - because it's already
doing all this processing on the image. If you really wanted you
could use a 3rd party calibration system, but each time you switched
in and out of sRGB mode, you would have to change the active ICC
monitor profile etc.

So to call the LCD2690 fundamentally flawed or say it is the result
of a major design blunder is not at all accurate. It is doing what it
was intended to do. If all applications on XP correctly did color
management, then this would be a non-issue.

If you don't want to take the leap to Vista or Firefox 3, have you
considered getting a "cheap and cheerful" monitor as your secondary
display? That would allow you to quickly preview how images would be
seen by others in sRGB land. That or choose the LCD2490 if you don't
mind spending all of your time locked into sRGB colorspace.

Thank you for finally helping people understand what the 2690 is actually designed for. I have tried many times with little success. Hopefully your knowledge and title will make people understand.

There is one issue I would like your take on. On your web site you list an estimated street price of $1299. However, most sites are listing this at $1679 or thereabouts. Why the big difference? And I am talking about NEC "resellers" you link to from your site. Thanks for your help and your info.
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amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
NEC street price

There is one issue I would like your take on. On your web site you
list an estimated street price of $1299. However, most sites are
listing this at $1679 or thereabouts. Why the big difference? And I
am talking about NEC "resellers" you link to from your site. Thanks
for your help and your info.
--
Matthew Scott

There is alot of boggus pricing on these NEC monitors out there with people quoting low and misrepreresented pricing. The street price of the NEC 2690 is $1600. Consider the Planar PX 2611W which is basically the same thing without all the problems for @$850.

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Re: NEC street price

amikoenig wrote:

There is one issue I would like your take on. On your web site you
list an estimated street price of $1299. However, most sites are
listing this at $1679 or thereabouts. Why the big difference? And I
am talking about NEC "resellers" you link to from your site. Thanks
for your help and your info.
--
Matthew Scott

There is alot of boggus pricing on these NEC monitors out there with
people quoting low and misrepreresented pricing. The street price of
the NEC 2690 is $1600. Consider the Planar PX 2611W which is
basically the same thing without all the problems for @$850.

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Bill.

There was a price reduction on the 2690 within the past month or so ... prior to that it was $1600+, now it is around $1200. I purchased mine from Ritz Camera's web site for $1225 (includes shipping, this was the final/total price).

I think that if you look carefully, you will see that the 2690 has many capabilities that the Planar does not. The ability to use Spectraview II software to do hardware calibration is worth the difference alone.

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RJSPhotography Senior Member • Posts: 1,686
Re: NEC street price

noted

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amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: NEC street price $1600

There is alot of boggus pricing on these NEC monitors out there with
people quoting low and misrepreresented pricing. The street price of
the NEC 2690 is $1600. Consider the Planar PX 2611W which is
basically the same thing without all the problems for @$850.

One has to be careful about these one time specials and generalizing that the going price is so low. I checked with CDW and they noted that there is no price reduction and the price is $1599. Maybe these blowout prices are all the return monitors that have been done on the NEC 2690. For the same thing buy a new Planar, same performance, at much less money with a good return policy and 3 year warranty.

Will49 Regular Member • Posts: 225
Re: NEC street price $1600

The prices that people are quoting for the LCD2690 are correct and it is not a "special" price or returned item.

Actually the CDW price is $1299. See for yourself:
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=1132164

You can also check the official "Estimated street price" of $1299 with $50 MIR at the NEC website. If you look around, it can be purchased from very reputable sources from around and even below $1200.

Lastly, to compare the LCD2690 to the Planar is not an Apples-to-Apples comparison. They are not the same performance or feature level. The LCD2690 (as with all of the NEC 90 series) were designed from the ground up for professional color critical applications. To name just a few features: ColorComp (uniformity compensation), 12 bit internal LUT hardware adjustment, color calibration system, internal luminance stabilizer, 4 year warranty (including backlight).....

By no means are the two displays "the same thing".

amikoenig wrote:

One has to be careful about these one time specials and generalizing
that the going price is so low. I checked with CDW and they noted
that there is no price reduction and the price is $1599. Maybe these
blowout prices are all the return monitors that have been done on the
NEC 2690. For the same thing buy a new Planar, same performance, at
much less money with a good return policy and 3 year warranty.

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dmb34 Regular Member • Posts: 354
Re: NEC 2690WUXi ; Planar PX2611W is better

amikoenig wrote:

The Planar PX2611W is the same panel and performance as the NEC
2690WUXi for almost half the price. I have found the Planar to be a
good deal compared to the $1600 NEC.

Sure, if you don't mind giving up 12 bit LUT's. COLORCOMP, and UDRA certification and a much better warranty. Other than that they are identical.
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amikoenig Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: NEC 2690WUXi ; Planar PX2611W is better & Cheaper

People that have seen both such as Toasty X actually have preferred the Planar to the NEC

Tamlin_WSGF Forum Member • Posts: 83
Re: NEC 2690WUXi ; Planar PX2611W is better & Cheaper

amikoenig wrote:

People that have seen both such as Toasty X actually have preferred
the Planar to the NEC

I haven't had time to comment your posts, but I can see Will himself got a bit tired of you misleading people here. I don't know what you are trying to pull?

I don't shop in US, so I don't know where to buy stuff, but Newegg is used by many members on WSGF. So I did a quick search and the results for a new 2690WUXi:

$1,229.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002169

ToastyX didn't prefer the Planar. Only in your head. Here is a direct quote:

[quote]Overall, the only thing better about the Planar is it has less lag, and it's cheaper. The NEC has better viewing angles and much better color control along with the ability to hardware calibrate it.[ quote]
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031231298&postcount=116

Meaning: Planar have less input lag (1 frame) and is cheaper. Other then that, the NEC rules as you can see from the rest of ToastyX's comparison in the link above.

The extra frame of lag on the NEC is due to picture processing. You know, like getting the sRGB preset to emulate standard gamut instead of having a wide gamut sRGB preset like the Planar.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they are not the same. In fact, the only thing they have similar is the panel inside. Everything else, from polarizer to electronics differ.

Jim Dandy Regular Member • Posts: 178
Re: NEC 2690WUXi ; Planar PX2611W is better & Cheaper

Just ignore amikoenig posts. Everytime the NEC 2690 is mentioned on any forum, he pops up with the same line "get a Planar...it's the same thing and cheaper".

He must work for Planar or own their stock.

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Re: NEC 2690WUXi ; Planar PX2611W is better & Cheaper

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65JX137 New Member • Posts: 14
Re: NEC 2690WUXi - can it handle regular sRGB?

Well, I just ordered my monitor.

It'll be here in about 2.5 weeks.

I went with the 24" (LCD2490WUXIBKSV). Hopefully I made the right choice.

Thank you all for your help in answering my questions.

bkwphoto Forum Member • Posts: 85
Re: NEC 2690WUXi - can it handle regular sRGB?

I ordered my 2490 from Provantage for $985 + $39 for shipping. It amazingly arrived the next day via FedEx, the box in great condition.

Everything looks great- super colors right out of the box. I turned down the brightness to 60%. Thats it!
I couldn't be happier !!
I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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Radim Schreiber Regular Member • Posts: 212
Re: 2190 costs more than 2490.. why?

Actually I would like to know this as well.

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