B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

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michaelbs Senior Member • Posts: 2,772
B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

Luminous Landscape's print tutorial "from camera to print" praises softproofing in Photoshop as an absolute must in order to get the predictable print you want.

I use the settings outlined in the tutorial but my prints on Hahnemuhle fine art paper look very similiar to the non proofed image. When I use CS3 softpoofing for the profiled paper the screen shows me an image where every black/dark shade has turned grey and there is an overall haze to the image. (Simulate Paper color turned on). I simply don't see that on my prints.

On my prints black is pitch black and there is no haze.

Could it be that my HP B9180 is so good with these fine art mat papers that CS3's soft proofing module is obsolete?
Could it be that CS3 softproofing was made for Epson printers in particular?
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Jake Robinson Regular Member • Posts: 192
Re: B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

Not true - i use CS3 soft proofing - and its absolutely required - especially for Hahnemuhle photo rag - since its not a preferred paper for B9180.

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colourgeek Veteran Member • Posts: 3,589
Re: B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

I've always been only somewhat satisfied with soft proofing in Photoshop. My dearly loved and missed colleague Bruce Fraser wanted to believe it to be fool proof, but I can tell you it is not. Spectros are devices that have their own limitations and encounter problems with different inks and media. HP profiles (for pigments) are reasonable at printing on matte but not very good at soft proofing. The refraction from some matte papers evokes a L* shift according to the spectro that our eyes simply do not correspond >

So you can use soft proofing, probably should but in the case of HP piggies on matte you'll be better off leaving the rendering preview set to relative with no paper white or black.
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OP michaelbs Senior Member • Posts: 2,772
Re: B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

Jake Robinson wrote:

Not true - i use CS3 soft proofing - and its absolutely required -
especially for Hahnemuhle photo rag - since its not a preferred paper
for B9180.

But according to cs3 softproofing with "simulate paper color" checked the printer would be unable to print real black on Hahnenmuhle Photorag Bright White 310.

It's grey not black. And yet I hold in my hand a print on that paper where black is pitch black and there is NO grey haze over the photo. Maybe it's just with this paper softproofing is so incorrect.

OP michaelbs Senior Member • Posts: 2,772
Re: B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

colourgeek wrote:

I've always been only somewhat satisfied with soft proofing in
Photoshop. My dearly loved and missed colleague Bruce Fraser wanted
to believe it to be fool proof, but I can tell you it is not.
Spectros are devices that have their own limitations and encounter
problems with different inks and media. HP profiles (for pigments)
are reasonable at printing on matte but not very good at soft
proofing. The refraction from some matte papers evokes a L* shift
according to the spectro that our eyes simply do not correspond >
So you can use soft proofing, probably should but in the case of HP
piggies on matte you'll be better off leaving the rendering preview
set to relative with no paper white or black.
--
Neil Snape photographer Paris http://www.neilsnape.com

OP michaelbs Senior Member • Posts: 2,772
Re: B9180 & CS3 softproofing?

colourgeek wrote:

I've always been only somewhat satisfied with soft proofing in
Photoshop. My dearly loved and missed colleague Bruce Fraser wanted
to believe it to be fool proof, but I can tell you it is not.
Spectros are devices that have their own limitations and encounter
problems with different inks and media. HP profiles (for pigments)
are reasonable at printing on matte but not very good at soft
proofing. The refraction from some matte papers evokes a L* shift
according to the spectro that our eyes simply do not correspond >
So you can use soft proofing, probably should but in the case of HP
piggies on matte you'll be better off leaving the rendering preview
set to relative with no paper white or black.

Thanks this makes sense to me. It seems to be Fine Art Mat papers that come out very similiar to my image on screen and very unlike the softprrf version.
With more "ordinary" paper the softproof version seems more reasonable.
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best regards
Michael
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http://michaelbennati.dk/galleri/index.php?list=58

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