Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

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PhotoTraveler Forum Pro • Posts: 11,700
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

No, it looks like a Minolta 7D done over by Sony.

Sony has the Minolta staff, even though it says Sony on the front, it's still a minolta as all Sony DSLR will be since it's former Minolta folks designing them.

michaeladawson Forum Pro • Posts: 15,581
Re: I disagree.

A very fair statement. The point of my statement was only to say that I didn't think that 5 vs. 6 fps was much of a reason to claim that the A700 was not a threat to the D300.

I mentioned AF performance as being much more important. But I must say... do you REALLY think there is a need to doubt the AF performance in Nikon's top of the line DLSR? Sony would be doing real well to come close to it. Not that they can't or won't.

PhotoTraveler wrote:

But we really don't know much about either cameras AF yet.

Reports are of the A700 having AF performance like the 7, (not the
7D), which if true the A700 could have an extremely good AF system.

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Morbius Contributing Member • Posts: 674
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

PhotoTraveler wrote:

No, it looks like a Minolta 7D done over by Sony.

Sony has the Minolta staff, even though it says Sony on the front,
it's still a minolta as all Sony DSLR will be since it's former
Minolta folks designing them.

I don't see this as a revised 7D. If Sony wanted to deliver a warmed-over 7D, they could have had one out the door long before this. The 7D had some nice features and many loyal users, but it's very long in the tooth and had some significant shortcomings. Sony is serious about being a major player in DSLR's and the initial specs of the A700 suggest they are pitching this at the 40D/D300 range of the market.

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PhotoTraveler Forum Pro • Posts: 11,700
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

I own a 7D, this thing is a re-designed 7D. The bulk of the features/designs are direct carry overs.

And so you know. KM did have a 7DII designed. But when Sony took over, politics caused them to scrap it and start new. So all those Minolta folks they hired had to pick up the pieces and start again. This came straight from a Sony Rep at PMA to me. So in the last 3 years. The 7D replacement has been designed twice!

PhotoTraveler Forum Pro • Posts: 11,700
Re: I disagree.

5fps 8fps I don't think they matter much. If fps matter to a person, the should go buy a 1DIII or D3. I don't know how people can think that a few frames matter. Maybe when talking 1 to 3fps, or even 3 to 5fps. But after 5, I don't think it matters much.

I don't question Nikon AF performance. In messing with them I was stunned how good it is, and I hate AF. Between the Nikon and Canon's I don't know how people can say Canon is better in AF.

Still, Minolta knows how to make an AF system when they try. Their DSLR bodies have been terrible though. They just went cheap there. But the older film bodies like the 7 are reported to have very good AF, like 2-3x better in speed than bodies like the 7D.

So my point is simply give Sony-Minolta a chance. Anyone can in one move match or overtake someone else on something. Just look how Nikon just blanked Canon over night.

I think the A700 and the D300 are very competitive with each other, but the A700 does drop a few things (GPS support, 100% view finder), though the D300 doesn't have AS/SSS. And for the price difference, the A700 at 1400 USD is looking real good.

Now, lets see what Pentax does with a K1D.

michaeladawson wrote:
A very fair statement. The point of my statement was only to say
that I didn't think that 5 vs. 6 fps was much of a reason to claim
that the A700 was not a threat to the D300.

I mentioned AF performance as being much more important. But I must
say... do you REALLY think there is a need to doubt the AF
performance in Nikon's top of the line DLSR? Sony would be doing
real well to come close to it. Not that they can't or won't.

PhotoTraveler wrote:

But we really don't know much about either cameras AF yet.

Reports are of the A700 having AF performance like the 7, (not the
7D), which if true the A700 could have an extremely good AF system.

Vince P
Vince P Senior Member • Posts: 2,024
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

It does look a good camera but I doubt that it is targetting the 40D or D300. In my view if you buy either you are buying into a system. The Sony doesn't have access to a system to match either Nikon or Canon ... yet. The Minolta A is a little long in the tooth. I think they are aiming at the body, kit lens and a budget tele market. The feature set is certainly good for that market. In this area they will be gunning for the Nikon D40-D80 and the Canon 400D above that is a big gap left by Canon which I am sure they will fill soon. Here it looks like Sony could make a dent and I imagine it's a fair bit more lucrative than the 40D D300 sector.

As for them moving to Full frame, well either they would need to change the lens mount or develop a lot of lenses, that needs market share. It's chicken and the egg.

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PhotoTraveler Forum Pro • Posts: 11,700
A700 AF in Action

Check this out.

Apparently Sony had a stunt plane attack people with A700s to test it out.

Also has image samples (D300 folks will be interested for sure), also a good showcase of In-Body AS at work.

http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/4570/field-test-sony-alpha-dslr-a700.html

PhotoTraveler Forum Pro • Posts: 11,700
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

The mount is fine for FF, far better starting point than F mount.

And there is a ton of A mount FF lenses out there. Until today, A mount only had 4 non FF lenses. And Sony showed a case with 8 full frame lenses in it at PMA. So more new models coming.

Kevan Goddard Contributing Member • Posts: 765
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

Looks like a backward step from the ergonomics of the KM D7D - glad I moved to Nikon when I did (last Christmas).
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Mauro.B Senior Member • Posts: 2,500
If A700's IQ is similar to A100's, it will be good to stop doors...

Specs are marketing. Period.

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David Chin Forum Pro • Posts: 11,670
First A700 samples ...
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D200_4me Veteran Member • Posts: 4,746
Nice Grip...

They did a nice job on the grip. Lots of control there! Very nice.

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kojikin Regular Member • Posts: 185
5 FPS?? Why?

Why only 5 FPS? I thought in the article that came out it was supposed
to be 10 FPS !?!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082012sony12mpcmos.asp

Did Sony "Dumb down" their sensor intentionally? For Nikon?

Julio Alejandro Regular Member • Posts: 109
Re: Sony drops their bomb ---- A700 is here

D300
• 12.3 million effective pixels

A700
• 12.25 million effective pixels

azguy
azguy Veteran Member • Posts: 7,599
More of a threat to Pentax and Oly

Good news for the Sony crowd, but I think that they are more of a threat to Pentax and Oly than to Nikon and Canon. Nikon and Canon both have much more of a "system." Sony won't give up, and will keep plugging.
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Mauro.B Senior Member • Posts: 2,500
Soft & NR processed - Sony marketing is losing pace...

Examined at 100% is nothing to write home about.

a700_01.ipg is soft with smoothed-out details (eyebrows are little more than a brown stripe, shirt texture barely acceptable on shoulder and wrist only), skin seems waxed with evident NR in underexposed neck area, and so on.

As a marketing effort, it seems too short or too early.

(It's a long way).

Thanks for the link.

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Re: More of a threat to Pentax and Oly

azguy wrote:

Good news for the Sony crowd, but I think that they are more of a
threat to Pentax and Oly than to Nikon and Canon. Nikon and Canon
both have much more of a "system." Sony won't give up, and will keep
plugging.
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I think Pentax is screwed, at lease sony and Oly have lenses, overpriced? yes, but at lease you can find them. Pentax havs a ok camera, but their lens selection is very poor.

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fabie Regular Member • Posts: 387
Re: More of a threat to Pentax and Oly

If anything, CANON must be sweating bullets seeing NIKON and now SONY stepping up on the plate.

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If the new CMOS sensors delivers...

fabie wrote:

If anything, CANON must be sweating bullets seeing NIKON and now SONY
stepping up on the plate.

...and will show up in Pentax and Samsung cameras too, they might feel the pressure.
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striaghtshooter Regular Member • Posts: 103
Re: A700 AF in Action

Interesting article and some impressive stuff image stabilistion and usable 6400 ISO is a potent combo.

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