The LiveView Poll

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EgonVLC Regular Member • Posts: 330
The LiveView Poll

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it would hurt A700 sales?

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Re: The LiveView Poll

It only interests me if it is a real live view (like the R1). I don't want some gimmick system.

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Frenske Veteran Member • Posts: 4,180
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Don't care as long as the viewfinder has increased in size compared to the KM5D.
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Jim Ogilvie Contributing Member • Posts: 799
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Nope.

SSS is a superior feature to liveview, hands down. I can use it on nearly every shot I take.

Would I have liked to have seen liveview in the A700? Sure. But would I have used it? Who knows. Never had the feature or tried it before, so without a hands on trial its hard to say if the feature is even useful.

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OP EgonVLC Regular Member • Posts: 330
Re: The LiveView Poll

I agree, I hope it is!

optical_illusion Senior Member • Posts: 1,029
LiveView is indispensable

EgonVLC wrote:

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it
would hurt A700 sales?

Yes I think it would hurt A700 sales. Liveview is an indispensable feature for today's DSLRs.

Jim Ogilvie Contributing Member • Posts: 799
Re: LiveView is indispensable

Can you please explain that?

I'd be interested in a scenario where the shot is only achievable with liveview, which is pretty much what indispensable means.

Also, please let us know what camera you have used with liveview and under what circumstances to back up this statement.

optical_illusion wrote:

EgonVLC wrote:

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it
would hurt A700 sales?

Yes I think it would hurt A700 sales. Liveview is an indispensable
feature for today's DSLRs.

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Re: LiveView is indispensable

In an underwater housing liveview would be very useful. You can hold the camera at arms length to shoot shy fish. It's hard to look through the viewfinder with a mask on.
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ILikePhotography Senior Member • Posts: 1,093
Re: The LiveView Poll

EgonVLC wrote:

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it
would hurt A700 sales?

I found I really enjoyed composing on the screen of my dsc-h9 but when I obtained my a100, I was not terribly disappointed to loose it again. What I truly would prefer in the Alpha line of cameras is 100% viewfinder capabilities. 95% cuts into a large area of composing blindly!
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lcmacedo Veteran Member • Posts: 3,425
Live view uses

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IMO live view is usefull for:

  • crowd overhead and odd macro shots

  • silent operation with mirror locked up

Both require an articulated LCD ( only Lumix L10 has it up to now )!

Other than that, maybe live histogram checking, studio work,... ( none critical ).
SSS is a much greater feature!!

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auksnapper Contributing Member • Posts: 782
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With live-view you see 100% of the image area not 95% as your would if looking through the viewfinder. All viewfinders should have 100% field of vision not 95% which seems to be the norm. I find the viewfinder on the A100 to be poor and I find it annoying that when I compose in the viewfinder, the resulting image doesn’t correspond to what I saw with my eyes. My cameras of choice are large format view cameras, & I use the whole of the frame to compose and I get exactly what I see on the groundglass. I don’t get this with the A100 & this will be the same with the A700, with it only having 95% coverage & no live-view.

With live-view you can also 10x zoom on the screen to aide manual focusing & I have been told you will be able to stop down the lens to check depth of field without the LCD darkening, but if this is incorrect would somebody please correct me. You should also get live histogram

The most important feature on any camera as far as I’m concerned is the viewfinder, so the D300 with its 100% viewfinder plus its high resolution live-view 3” LCD, which still auto focuses in live-view is probably the way I will go. To most people this isn’t a deal breaker but to me it is!

WaltKnapp Forum Pro • Posts: 13,857
Re: The LiveView Poll

EgonVLC wrote:

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it
would hurt A700 sales?

Might even help sales. Liveview is associated with low end cameras, non serious photography in most people's minds. The A700 is a advanced DSLR and will primarily attract people fully at ease using a optical viewfinder. It's going to sell well I think. (depending on what is found as people actually get to using the camera)

For me it is a plus as far as Sony's intentions that it does not have it. Another indication that they are serious about high end DSLR and not gimmicks.

And I do have a live view P&S and really really hate the viewfinder or LCD display "viewfinder" on it. You pretty much have to hope AF got it right. And it certainly does not keep up at the speed of light.

Walt

rogprov Regular Member • Posts: 281
Re: Live view uses

In my opinion without a swivelling screen live view is of very limited use.

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futile32 Senior Member • Posts: 1,854
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bares no use for me. Although tethered shotting with live video to monitor would be excellent! only the competition have had this feature, and for a while. For me live view seams most useful in still life situations, where monitor out would be superior anyway.

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Jim Ogilvie Contributing Member • Posts: 799
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Auksnapper...

So you're going to get yourself a D300, and shoot almost exclusively with liveview?

This means of course that you're going to be holding the camera body away from you. You likey won't be able to get your hands on the lens barrel easily from this position, so manual focussing is out - unless you use a tripod.

The unnatural posture one is going to have to adopt to use liveview off of a tripod is going to make this feature very rarely used indeed. But I can definitely see it being useful if you're doing macro work or your subjects are absolutely still (mine never are, I shoot models almost 100%)

I guess thats where I am coming from. I forget often that a lot of people don't use their cameras to shoot people, so liveview might be useful to them.

There is no way you could free-hand hold the camera with a heavy lens using liveview and making adjustments.

auksnapper wrote:

With live-view you see 100% of the image area not 95% as your would
if looking through the viewfinder. All viewfinders should have 100%
field of vision not 95% which seems to be the norm. I find the
viewfinder on the A100 to be poor and I find it annoying that when I
compose in the viewfinder, the resulting image doesn’t correspond to
what I saw with my eyes. My cameras of choice are large format view
cameras, & I use the whole of the frame to compose and I get exactly
what I see on the groundglass. I don’t get this with the A100 & this
will be the same with the A700, with it only having 95% coverage & no
live-view.

With live-view you can also 10x zoom on the screen to aide manual
focusing & I have been told you will be able to stop down the lens to
check depth of field without the LCD darkening, but if this is
incorrect would somebody please correct me. You should also get live
histogram

The most important feature on any camera as far as I’m concerned is
the viewfinder, so the D300 with its 100% viewfinder plus its high
resolution live-view 3” LCD, which still auto focuses in live-view is
probably the way I will go. To most people this isn’t a deal breaker
but to me it is!

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auksnapper Contributing Member • Posts: 782
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WaltKnapp wrote:

EgonVLC wrote:

Now that we know there won't be liveview in A700, do you think it
would hurt A700 sales?

Might even help sales. Liveview is associated with low end cameras,
non serious photography in most people's minds. The A700 is a
advanced DSLR and will primarily attract people fully at ease using a
optical viewfinder. It's going to sell well I think. (depending on
what is found as people actually get to using the camera)

For me it is a plus as far as Sony's intentions that it does not have
it. Another indication that they are serious about high end DSLR and
not gimmicks.

And I do have a live view P&S and really really hate the viewfinder
or LCD display "viewfinder" on it. You pretty much have to hope AF
got it right. And it certainly does not keep up at the speed of light.

Walt

All the latest cameras from C,N &O have live-view this includes the D3 & 1Dmk3 theses are serious pro cameras.

With the A700 you get a 95% viewfinder & no live-view

This IMHO is a huge error by Sony!

RacingManiac Contributing Member • Posts: 689
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I'd say of maybe my last 10000 shots, I have been wishing for a live-view for 3 times. I think its a cool feature for those beyond eye-level shot, but I can do without it.....

It just means though I'd need to explain to people why my fancy new camera can't shoot with the LCD like their cellphone...
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auksnapper Contributing Member • Posts: 782
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Jim Ogilvie wrote:

Auksnapper...

So you're going to get yourself a D300, and shoot almost exclusively
with liveview?

This means of course that you're going to be holding the camera body
away from you. You likey won't be able to get your hands on the lens
barrel easily from this position, so manual focussing is out - unless
you use a tripod.

The unnatural posture one is going to have to adopt to use liveview
off of a tripod is going to make this feature very rarely used
indeed. But I can definitely see it being useful if you're doing
macro work or your subjects are absolutely still (mine never are, I
shoot models almost 100%)

I guess thats where I am coming from. I forget often that a lot of
people don't use their cameras to shoot people, so liveview might be
useful to them.

There is no way you could free-hand hold the camera with a heavy lens
using liveview and making adjustments.

jim,

I will only be using live-view when the camera is mounted on a tripod for landscape, still life, & macro.

Alpha Doug Veteran Member • Posts: 9,222
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Virtually useless toy. When you are in Live View mode on any Canon or Nikon camera, focusing is done differently (contrast detection) and is far less accurate than with the mirror down. You get total blackout while shooting fast, so tracking is near impossible. Hand held, you better get nothing but image stabilized lenses, cause you are going to bobble the thing holding it out far enough to view on the screen. Marketing, marketing, marketing.

I am really impressed that Sony has apparently listened to most of the desires of both the A100 upgrade crowd, and the leftover 7D crowd. I think they may have one upped both Canon and Nikon on image quality with the new processor which applies a minute amount of Noise reduction even to RAW images on the fly, on the chip, and the new 5 level DRO that you can shoot bracketed, and applied to RAW!

I'm sorry, image quality, and ergonomics are far more important to me than gimmicks.

How about the fact that the camera can shoot in 16:9 mode? I would find that useful for wide angle landscapes!

Quieter mirror drive for less shake and less noise? Stronger, quieter motor drive for autofocus? Improved auto-focus?

Real photographic improvements!

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Jim Ogilvie Contributing Member • Posts: 799
Re: Live view uses

auksnapper wrote:

Ah, I gotcha. Then I can definitely see how it would be useful there...but hardly indispensable. I can also see how SSS would be of little use to you in that scenario as well, so you're probably right that its a good feature for you.

jim,

I will only be using live-view when the camera is mounted on a tripod
for landscape, still life, & macro.

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