First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

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Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Canon 50 1.2 on Sigma SD14.

ISO 200, aperture 2.0, shutter 1/60 (full exif)

ISO 400, aperture 1.2, stutter 1/60 (full exif)

ISO 400, aperture 1.2, stutter 1/40, underexposed 2EV (full exif)

OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Undeniably 3D realistic.

What can Sigma fixed focal length lenses do in comparison, both on tripod, same subject and settings?

OP Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

OnlyRealPixel wrote:

Undeniably 3D realistic.

What can Sigma fixed focal length lenses do in comparison, both on
tripod, same subject and settings?

I have only two fixed lens from sigma: 30 1.4 and 50 2.8 macro
But 30 is not so good for portraits.
50 2.8 macro is to sharp and its aperture 2.8 is to little.

OP Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Some later i want to have one old russin lens.
Gelios 40-2 1.5.
But it full manual. And for M42.
You can see results (photos) in this thread:

http://club.foto.ru/forum/view_topic.php?topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&mode=l&page=1#listStart

OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Similar distance to subject to your Canon 50's:

http://foto.radikal.ru/f.aspx?i=13f62548a48942bcbb93948bb0899acc

The Sigma 50 macro is "too sharp"?

All of the Sigma 50 samples at pbase, specifically in the 50 gallery, are taken with SD9's. Everything in SD14 gallery seems to be taken with telephotos 105mm and up, except this:

http://www.pbase.com/sigmadslr/image/79132808 18-50 f2.8 "too sharp"?

OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Are you looking for big aperture 50mm lens to make focus fade out a certain way?

Sigma 50

OP Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

OnlyRealPixel wrote:
Similar distance to subject to your Canon 50's:
http://foto.radikal.ru/f.aspx?i=13f62548a48942bcbb93948bb0899acc
Image look soften, and i like it.

The Sigma 50 macro is "too sharp"?

I am think yes for portraits. And its depth of field is to big.
Sorry but i am using macro lens to do macro shots, but not portraits.

OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

I've just spent 15 minutes looking for Sigma 50mm macro bokeh on portraits. I couldn't find one. I looked through a Japanese gallery.

50 macro bokeh on face shot:

OP Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

OnlyRealPixel wrote:

Are you looking for big aperture 50mm lens to make focus fade out a
certain way?

Yes, you right. But for people portraits!

Sigma 50

If you shot big object, and not closer like this image, you cannot get the same background bluring.

OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/457680-USA/Canon_1257B002_Normal_EF_50mm_f_1_2L.html

"Without getting into too much detail, I will say that the lens does have focusing problems at a focusing distance of approx. 1.5 to 3 meters...Due to this spherical aberration, the focus shifts at different aperture stops. So while autofocusing works perfectly at F1.2, the image goes out of focus when other aperture settings are used. The only way to fix this is to manually focus, WHILE stopping down using the preview button"

"compared with EF 50mm f/1.0 [not AF?] or EF 50mm f/1.4 (AF?). I do not recommend and avoid to purchase EF 50mm f/1.4 lens due poor designed and feel loose"

adegroot Senior Member • Posts: 2,939
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Try a low ISO and manual focusing to see what the lens is really capable of.

These shots are, sorry to say, not that great.

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Re: I would'nt bother with the Helios 40-2...

Daiver wrote:

Some later i want to have one old russin lens.
Gelios 40-2 1.5.
But it full manual. And for M42.
You can see results (photos) in this thread:

http://club.foto.ru/forum/view_topic.php?topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&topic_id=261862&mode=l&page=1#listStart

I have one and even wide open it has a very deep DOF, far too deep for portrait work...If you can afford one I seriously recommend you get the Zeiss 85mm f1.4 Planar T* instead (MF, C/Y mount version), as it makes the Helios look positively agricultural, both mechanically and optically, plus its extremely easy to convert to SA mount.
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OP Daiver Regular Member • Posts: 130
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

adegroot wrote:

Try a low ISO and manual focusing to see what the lens is really
capable of.

It was my first experience with this lens. In outdoor with low light.

I think you recommendation to set low ISO is so funny, when i have underexposed 2EV, with iso 400, 1/40, 1.2 and shoting from hand....

But if you recommend to shot with low ISO if it possible, and there are lot of light, i think you right.

These shots are, sorry to say, not that great.

2 and 3 yes, not great. But first is very beauty for me.

spalbird Senior Member • Posts: 2,493
Re: 50mm/f1.2 Lens review by "Lord of the Monkeys"

Lord of the Monkeys

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/457680-USA/Canon_1257B002_Normal_EF_50mm_f_1_2L.html#goto_itemInfo

Some example pictures here:
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/ef_50__12l_usm

Some of the samples I like, some taken by very talented photographers IMO
http://www.pbase.com/image/72073711
http://www.pbase.com/image/82116400
http://www.pbase.com/image/81889296
http://www.pbase.com/image/73512993
http://www.pbase.com/image/81963926
http://www.pbase.com/image/73849809
http://www.pbase.com/image/80203015
http://www.pbase.com/image/78480408
http://www.pbase.com/image/78875031
http://www.pbase.com/image/78481911
http://www.pbase.com/image/73347549
http://www.pbase.com/image/76924610
http://www.pbase.com/image/73347701
http://www.pbase.com/image/77646944
http://www.pbase.com/image/73518691
http://www.pbase.com/image/82745768
http://www.pbase.com/image/76095215
http://www.pbase.com/image/76980831
http://www.pbase.com/image/80546286
http://www.pbase.com/image/71675135
http://www.pbase.com/image/78919894
http://www.pbase.com/image/80379021
http://www.pbase.com/image/81776508
http://www.pbase.com/image/76095213
http://www.pbase.com/image/72028612
http://www.pbase.com/image/73608866
http://www.pbase.com/image/76596171
http://www.pbase.com/image/71977715
http://www.pbase.com/image/81644901
http://www.pbase.com/image/81682112
http://www.pbase.com/image/73724976
http://www.pbase.com/image/75995712
http://www.pbase.com/image/81705073
http://www.pbase.com/image/73347697
http://www.pbase.com/image/74842900
http://www.pbase.com/image/82807475
http://www.pbase.com/image/71675137
http://www.pbase.com/image/81174722
http://www.pbase.com/image/82516031
http://www.pbase.com/image/80385023
http://www.pbase.com/image/76913356
http://www.pbase.com/image/73347699
http://www.pbase.com/image/75848580
http://www.pbase.com/image/75995638
http://www.pbase.com/image/77628768
http://www.pbase.com/image/82877960
http://www.pbase.com/image/71709922
http://www.pbase.com/image/79215030
http://www.pbase.com/image/73348466
http://www.pbase.com/image/82610690
http://www.pbase.com/image/76595640

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OnlyRealPixel Senior Member • Posts: 1,034
Re: 50mm/f1.2 Lens review by "Lord of the Monkeys"

spalbird, you shop harder than I do. "On the shoulders of giants", I might buy the right lens.

Of those Usual Suspects, these seem to be Humphrey Bokeh-Art comparable to the defining bokeh compositions we have in this thread:

http://www.pbase.com/image/72384855
http://www.pbase.com/image/81776508
http://www.pbase.com/image/81603502 (tilting lens or photog higher)
http://www.pbase.com/image/80385023

Like to see Sigma 18-50(70?) macro on this where "too sharp" is good:
http://www.pbase.com/image/80546286 ...bokeh doesn't help there

spalbird Senior Member • Posts: 2,493
Re: 50mm/f1.2 Lens review by "Lord of the Monkeys"

OnlyRealPixel wrote:

spalbird, you shop harder than I do. "On the shoulders of giants", I
might buy the right lens.

I enjoyed looking around pbase for this matter. Many average and some less than average pictures taken with this lens. The very good one are constantly taken by 3 or four photographers. An indication that equipment can't substitute knowledge, skill and talent. This lens is a dream for me, just to own but simply too expensive.

You should not expect from a lens like this that it is perfect in every case. You payed a premium price for the f1.2 so use another lens for panorama or nature photography where you will stop down to f8. Also you have to adopt much more to the lens than usual. Sigma's 30mm lens can't reach the quality of this lens but IMO quality of bokeh and OOF transition are the same level.

Of those Usual Suspects, these seem to be Humphrey Bokeh-Art
comparable to the defining bokeh compositions we have in this thread:

http://www.pbase.com/image/72384855
http://www.pbase.com/image/81776508
http://www.pbase.com/image/81603502 (tilting lens or photog higher)
http://www.pbase.com/image/80385023

Like to see Sigma 18-50(70?) macro on this where "too sharp" is good:
http://www.pbase.com/image/80546286 ...bokeh doesn't help there

I am not so sure. Think about this picture was taken at f1.2 with a FF camera. The DOF is very very flat at this aperture so you have to have the areas where sharpness should be very in parallel. And then it matters how the sharp -> OOF transition behaves and this is marvellous here. f1.2 and f2.8 are worlds separated from each other. The feeling is just like having more than 4x income And FF would triple your income again... (1.7x1.7)...

Regards

Wolfgang

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Re: I would'nt bother with the Helios 40-2...
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Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Daiver wrote:

Canon 50 1.2 on Sigma SD14.

ISO 200, aperture 2.0, shutter 1/60 (full exif)

ISO 400, aperture 1.2, stutter 1/60 (full exif)

ISO 400, aperture 1.2, stutter 1/40, underexposed 2EV (full exif)

Just found these samples...The first two look slightly back-focussed...Have you tried adding a shim from a Sigma lens to make infinty focus spot on?

If that makes it worse then you may need to machine down the lenses mounting boss instead?

This may be necessary because an SA mounting plate is slightly deeper (thicker) than an EF mounting plate therefore to make the registration distance of the two identical (44mm) you may have to remove the difference in thickness from the Canon EF lenses mounting boss.(?)
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DaSigmaGuy Forum Pro • Posts: 12,308
Re: First shots with Canon 50 1.2 (last iso 400 1.2 1/40 from hand)

Daiver wrote:

Some later i want to have one old russin lens.
Gelios 40-2 1.5.

I think you mean the Helios 40-2 f1.5?

But it full manual. And for M42.

Dis-reagrd my pervious post, where I dismissed the Helios...I had some time to compare it to my Carl Zeiss 85mm f1.4 Planar T*.

The Helios has very similar bokeh to my Zeiss 85mm but ultimately its not quite as sharp, it has lower contrast than my Zeiss and it has more oval shaped OOF highlights instead of the perfectly circular ones that I get with my Ziess.

However, I had to pay about £260 more for my Zeiss than I did for my Helios so the Helios is still a lot of lens for the money.

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