FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Started Aug 13, 2007 | Discussions
swinglabakaisse Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

The FA 35/2.0 is on my wishlist. I already have a FA 50/1,4 and I like it very much.
I read a ton of things about the FA 35/2.0 that makes me hesitate...

I know it's sharp but many people are telling that it lacks "something". Thommo said soulless... Many say the 31 limited has something special (except price !) that the FA doesn't have...but I've never seen what people mean.

I also read that the 35 doesn't have the same "rendu" (image rendering) as the FA 50. Again I don't know what this means.

I had the same hesitation about the FA50. Many are saying that the 43limited has something that the FA doesn't have. I think it's true: It has the most passionnate photographer as owner and I think that's the main difference...

So I would like to see pictures taken with the FA 35: Prove me it has soul or the contrary: show me pictures taken with it that you think lack something (would have been better with the 31 limited for example). Of course the best would be to see direct comparison between the 31 and 35 but I've never seen this and I am a regular here for the past 8 months...

Thank you in advance for taking the time.
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jthommo Veteran Member • Posts: 3,735
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Its a pig of a lens

Seriously though, I found that in comparison with the 50, the 35 does not render colours and contrast as well. It also seem to lack sublety; skin tones don't seem as good. It's bit hard to describe, but after I did a big day long shoot using both lenses earlier this year the contrast was clear. I've seen examples from the 43 that are way better as well. (as you would expect).

The biggest difference between the 35 and the 50 is bokeh - very disappointing in the 35. I was expecting it to be as soft and subtle as the 50 but it was not - quite harsh and unpleasant really.

It is, however, sharp and has a good normal fov.

Can I post images showing the alleged soulless quality? No - because they weren't good enough to upload to my site in the first place.
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OP swinglabakaisse Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

I forgot to refer to the initial thread that made me want to see "soulless" examples:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=24344806

I don't want to double the discussion so you can respond to RichyX if you prefer.
( but he was asking for portrait and gig shots only)
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Godfrey Forum Pro • Posts: 29,483
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

swinglabakaisse wrote:

The FA 35/2.0 is on my wishlist. I already have a FA 50/1,4 and I
like it very much.
I read a ton of things about the FA 35/2.0 that makes me hesitate...
I know it's sharp but many people are telling that it lacks
"something". Thommo said soulless... Many say the 31 limited has
something special (except price !) that the FA doesn't have...but
I've never seen what people mean. ...

Sheer nonsense. This entire collection was made with the FA35 and received critical acclaim from several galleries:

http://www.gdgphoto.com/kitchen/

The FA31 (which I had before the FA35) was a very nice lens, but overly bulky and heavy, and expensive. It's imaging qualities were barely different.

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OP swinglabakaisse Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Thanks for your response Thommo.
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OP swinglabakaisse Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Thanks Godfrey. Your photos are superb.

Exif don't seem to be available in your gallery. Do you have other ones taken by the 35 ?
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Jocelyn

jthommo Veteran Member • Posts: 3,735
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Godfrey wrote:

Sheer nonsense. This entire collection was made with the FA35 and
received critical acclaim from several galleries:

http://www.gdgphoto.com/kitchen/

I suspect Jocelyn would like to see some examples in colour.
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Evil_Sheep Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Godfrey wrote:

swinglabakaisse wrote:

The FA 35/2.0 is on my wishlist. I already have a FA 50/1,4 and I
like it very much.
I read a ton of things about the FA 35/2.0 that makes me hesitate...
I know it's sharp but many people are telling that it lacks
"something". Thommo said soulless... Many say the 31 limited has
something special (except price !) that the FA doesn't have...but
I've never seen what people mean. ...

Sheer nonsense. This entire collection was made with the FA35 and
received critical acclaim from several galleries:

http://www.gdgphoto.com/kitchen/

The FA31 (which I had before the FA35) was a very nice lens, but
overly bulky and heavy, and expensive. It's imaging qualities were
barely different.

Godfrey
http://www.gdgphoto.com

Really beautiful still lifes Godfrey, some of the best work I've seen from a forum member yet. Beautiful compositions which render the everyday into something special. As they say, it's the photographer, not the equipment.
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Godfrey Forum Pro • Posts: 29,483
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

jthommo wrote:

I suspect Jocelyn would like to see some examples in colour.

I'm certain Jocelyn could ask for some color examples if they were required. But there are several color images in the set of PAW URLs I just posted up-thread.

Godfrey

Godfrey Forum Pro • Posts: 29,483
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Thank you very much for your compliments! I appreciate the thought.

Godfrey
http://www.gdgphoto.com

OP swinglabakaisse Senior Member • Posts: 2,330
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Thanks for your quick reply. It certainly has soul in your hands !

As Thommo said, I would like to see more in color: if others have examples, I would appreciate it (good or bad examples by FA 35)
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Evil_Sheep Regular Member • Posts: 184
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

swinglabakaisse wrote:

Thanks for your quick reply. It certainly has soul in your hands !
As Thommo said, I would like to see more in color: if others have
examples, I would appreciate it (good or bad examples by FA 35)
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Personally I wouldn't get all hung up about whether or not to choose this lens. I think your skepticism of alleged claims of the "soullessness" of the FA 35 compared to other lenses is well-founded. Mike Johnston at The Online Photographer summarizes the needless angst over lens choice pretty well:

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"Apropos of yesterday, I hate to say this, y'all, but whether you shoot with this lens for $2,795 or with this one for $25 really doesn't matter. In this game it's pictures that count, and what you do with those pictures, and how you publicize and market them. You get very little extra credit for which lens you happen to choose.

A lot of people who read it aren't going to like this, but in many cases, nobody can tell the difference. I wish I had the funding to do a double-blind experimental study along these lines (well, okay, not really), but I've tested the proposition pretty rigorously, and I can tell you that even many photographers can't reliably distinguish good expensive lenses from good inexpensive lenses just from looking at pictures (although a lot of them think they can). And when it comes down to the general public, fuggedaboutit—people just don't see."

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Bottom line: most people can't tell if a lens is good or bad by looking at the final shot, often even the self-proclaimed experts. Even then, these experts are looking for minutiae that the average person doesn't know or care about. If you like or need the focal length, just get it.

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igelfeld Senior Member • Posts: 1,337
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

I personally like FA-35 and I will provide you a couple of examples at the maximum aperture with OOF rendering for you to judge.

You saw Godfrey's photos so you know what this lens can do in the hands of a very capable photographer. With my examples, you will see what the lens does in the hands of an ordinary photographer with a limited skills set.

I can only hope that my examples won't scare you away as I believe that the lens is just as good as FA-50/1.4 in terms of optical quality :-).

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JM Tran Contributing Member • Posts: 756
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

I wouldnt worry about what Thommo or ppl say about the lens Jocelyn, its all personal preference.

but in the end, its really the photographer who paints the image, not the lens.

look at my website for example, ive made great pics from a 15 dollar Vivitar 70-210 and from the really bad Sigma 18-50 f3.5-5.6 that no one dares to touch

if someone thinks they need the best lenses possible to make their work good, they only have themselves and their lack of skills to blame
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KL Matt Veteran Member • Posts: 5,949
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

I'm going to have to back Godfrey up on this one.

I have both the FA 35 and the FA 28. They both have stellar reputations, but even though I've spent several days playing with the FA 28, it seems the images from the FA 35 are the ones that turn out really special time and time again. I think comparing the FA 50 to the FA 35 is pretty useless - the focal lengths are simply too different. For me the FA 35 is the only lens I have that rivals my 77 LE for pop and consistently great results. I assume this has a great deal to do with its fast maximum aperture and the fact that it is extremely contrasty and sharp right down to f/2. My A 50mm gets dreamy, more washed out, and smoother as you stop down - this gives a "special" quality to the images, and that can be either a boon or a detractor depending on your own personal taste and the situation at hand. The DA 16-45 is for me also a special lens @ 16mm - a comparable effect to the FA 35 and 77 LE.

When I first got my FA 35, I got results that didn't blow me away. Finally I came to realize that the lens wasn't the reason, but rather the fact that I was shooting at a distance to my subjects more appropriate to my A 50 f/1.4 or FA 77 - much too far away for the special rendering characteristics of this lens really shine. At infinity or close to it this lens - and most anything in the normal to wide category - simply isn't going to do anything breathtaking or anything you can't get from a decent zoom like the DA 16-45. At the same time, it's sharper and worlds faster than my zooms, making it a much more flexible tool in general, even at infinity. But to see its special characteristics, you'll have to open it up and get in closer. It's not an "instant bokeh machine" like the 77 LE.

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Godfrey wrote:

swinglabakaisse wrote:

The FA 35/2.0 is on my wishlist. I already have a FA 50/1,4 and I
like it very much.
I read a ton of things about the FA 35/2.0 that makes me hesitate...
I know it's sharp but many people are telling that it lacks
"something". Thommo said soulless... Many say the 31 limited has
something special (except price !) that the FA doesn't have...but
I've never seen what people mean. ...

Sheer nonsense. This entire collection was made with the FA35 and
received critical acclaim from several galleries:

http://www.gdgphoto.com/kitchen/

The FA31 (which I had before the FA35) was a very nice lens, but
overly bulky and heavy, and expensive. It's imaging qualities were
barely different.

Godfrey
http://www.gdgphoto.com

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Jonas B Forum Pro • Posts: 14,596
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Hi Jocelyn,

Discussion boards are opinions, opinions are personal views, views get shared and turned around.

Not long ago I read a post here climing the FA43 have gorgeous bokeh. The same post showed an example and the bokeh was far from great showing double lines and bright rings and on the whole the background was really disturbing.

The FA43 is a good lens in some situations while it can be not as good in other. The same goes for the FA35 or any other lens. I have both the lenses and the difference really is minute to my eyes. The repeating questions about pictures comparing these two lenses also show this.

Psychology, perception and personal preferences - it isn't easy to sort it all up.

I still have a few FA35 samples online:

I would say that the lens is pretty versatile, just as any good normal lens is. I don't know about harsh bokeh or a lack of soul. My photos my be good, average or boring but I won't blame the lens if anyone dislikes them.

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VaLeX Senior Member • Posts: 1,070
check this thread

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=23687553
Some nice comparisons between 31 and 35!

Later Edit: such a pity that those link don't work anymore.
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millar Regular Member • Posts: 188
Re: FA 35 Soulless ? Examples please ?

Loses some of it's sole @f2.8 - you dont get lightcircles anymore in the bokeh !

@f2 everything is fine, for some teleconverted FA35 @f2 take a look at my kenko thread, the performance wide open is pretty good:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=24346356

It's a shame that the blades are not rounded, or simply more blades to to avoid this. But hey that's why Pentax has the Limiteds (unfortunately for alot more money)

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I think I might have been standing almost right next to you Jonas when you got this shot - I was just recommending the Chartier Restaurant today to somebody....

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