D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Started May 28, 2007 | Discussions
Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

I would never recommend someone to buy a dSLR without buying a prime lens.

Buy a bridge camera instead.
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wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Ken_5D wrote:

That was a joke.. right.. Bracketing is a Bell and Whistle?

It is, if one doesn't use it. I know I don't (and my cameras have this feature BTW).

funny even my Canon 29 years ago had DOF preview... another Bell
and Wistle?

I lust about this feature too some years back and sweared never buy a camera w/o it. But guess what, I have never found a practical use of it.
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OP Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

wlachan wrote:

I lust about this feature too some years back and sweared never buy
a camera w/o it. But guess what, I have never found a practical use
of it.

Macro photography? Portraits with shallow DOF...to check what is in focus or not?

Kinda handy really........not hard to do either. Major point here is you dont have to use these features.......its a choice.......but if it isnt there...you cannot use it.......simple as that.

Nothing wrong with making an easy to use camera....but at its street price......its just nowhere near cheap enough, to justify all the stuff that got the chop.
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wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
I think this has been done back then

Ken_5D wrote:

Its cynical as hell.. and when a leading site like DPREVIEW lets it
slide. they will just keep doing it. Next time they might take
out Aperature Prioroty mode...Then Shutter..Priority.. manual..etc.
Heck do these new users even really need to chose thier own ISO?

in the 80's, but didn't work. The market rejected them. That's why even the most basic SLR/DSLRs since have M/A/S/P modes. And IMHO, as long as a camera allows the user has complete control over shutter, aperture and focus (and now manual WB & ISO too), the camera can be as advance as the user is.
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OP Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Re: I think this has been done back then

wlachan wrote:

in the 80's, but didn't work. The market rejected them. That's why
even the most basic SLR/DSLRs since have M/A/S/P modes. And IMHO,
as long as a camera allows the user has complete control over
shutter, aperture and focus (and now manual WB & ISO too), the
camera can be as advance as the user is.
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Well some not long ago film SLR's didnt have PASM...well the very entry ones..and had less features etc.........cut down AF, metering etc etc....

BUT.........

And this is the key.......they were vastly cheaper than the other models.......

I have a dynax 60, has most features bar MLU, I could have got a dynax 30..with the chopped down spec.......but the price reflected that..aka the 30 was a load cheaper...............than the 60..which sat below the semi pro model.

The D40 isnt a load cheaper......thats is the massive issue.........
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No it does not ! (nt)
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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: Well lets see

Product lines take time to build up, and Sony has more cameras and lenses in the horizon.

(Two more bodies plus eight new lenses by the end of 2008.)
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wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

Macro photography? Portraits with shallow DOF...to check what is in
focus or not?

By the time the aperture stops down to any meaningful level for macro, the viewfinder would be so dark with DOF preview you cannot see a thing. As to portrait, with enough experience, one should have a good idea how certain focal length/aperture/distance should produce what kind of DOF.

Kinda handy really........not hard to do either. Major point here
is you dont have to use these features.......its a choice.......but
if it isnt there...you cannot use it.......simple as that.

Indeed.
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danfok Regular Member • Posts: 373
It caused the price of Canon 400D gone down a lot

In fact, with the introduction of D40x. Canon 400D in Hong Kong has gone down to as low as HK$4780 body only (GBP 308 or US$612). Kudos Nikon.

Does this deserve a high praise

Cheers

Daniel.

Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: ITs all relative

PalmsWestPhoto wrote:

obviously to a professional it is not the tool that he needs

but for the group it is intended for it probably is very good

thats the difference between a reviewer and a reader. The reviewer
reviews a product with the customer in mind. The reader reviews the
product with himself in mind.

Different points of comparison different results

Except that a review should be in comparison to similarly available products, and both the Canon 400D and Sony Alpha 100 are selling at very similiar (lower) prices than the Nikon D40X.

Both have a better features list than the D40X, for less money, therefore the D40X should not be rated as well.

Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: The truth is

wlachan wrote:

Afterall, only aperture, shutter speed and focus are must
for any cameras.

Buy a bridge camera if that's all you want.

wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
Re: I think this has been done back then

Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

The D40 isnt a load cheaper......thats is the massive issue.........

Unlike film SLRs, low-end DSLRs are still nowhere as cheap, yet. What this means is, an exact same $30 feature which might appear more expensive on film SLR but less expensive on DSLR because of different percentage saving. It could be a 12% difference ($250 vs $280) for a low-end film SLR, but 4% difference ($700 vs $730) for D40X (just an example). But for the DSLR low-end market where every manufacturers are trying to produce the cheapest models, every buck counts (and the camera AF motor module is not cheap either). But it is also true that some "software" features have been removed so that people are more likely to upgrade to something more expensive in the future. And with a well known and respected brand like Nikon, they can get away with it because people will keep buying anyway. This is especially true for newcomers who know little. They usually buy safe and buy Nikon (or Canon).
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wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
Thanks for the good laugh

Two Truths wrote:

wlachan wrote:

Afterall, only aperture, shutter speed and focus are must
for any cameras.

Buy a bridge camera if that's all you want.

basically all good old manual focus cameras had these 3 features only. Should every professionals back then use bridge cameras too?
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Tim in upstate NY
Tim in upstate NY Veteran Member • Posts: 7,120
Re: ITs all relative

Two Truths wrote:

PalmsWestPhoto wrote:

obviously to a professional it is not the tool that he needs

but for the group it is intended for it probably is very good

thats the difference between a reviewer and a reader. The reviewer
reviews a product with the customer in mind. The reader reviews the
product with himself in mind.

Different points of comparison different results

Except that a review should be in comparison to similarly available
products, and both the Canon 400D and Sony Alpha 100 are selling at
very similiar (lower) prices than the Nikon D40X.

Both have a better features list than the D40X, for less money,
therefore the D40X should not be rated as well.

....This features list that you are 'explaining' to everyone here is well known to the regulars in this thread. The D40x is well tailored for the newbies who need an entry level DSLR. It's that simple. DPR gave a high rating to this camera because it does what it's supposed to do very well. How many beginners change lenses often enough to even need the self-cleaning sensor on the A100 or XTi? Bracketing? Same thing. The overwhelming majority won't ever miss it.

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Ominous Veteran Member • Posts: 4,304
Not just noobies buy entry level

My 400D is an entry level camera, but I'll use it along side my 5D or EOS 3 any day.

Now if it only had 3 crumby AF points, and wouldn't work with all me lenses I wouldn't want it.
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jpp Senior Member • Posts: 1,346
LOL

Do I smell a biased opinion, here?

The Olympus 400 with TWIN LENS kit is 75 euros cheaper, and it will do anything the Nikon does, and some more, even for the targeted audience...
BTW, I do not have an Olympus DSLR or P&S.
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jpp Senior Member • Posts: 1,346
Well...

...not everybody can be a Nikon fan boy...
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Hellashot Veteran Member • Posts: 7,234
everything gets "highly recommended" on here

Even with magazines they always praise each new product to keep advertisers and/or the camera companies happy to give them products to review in the future.

You're better off finding user comments or a real honest review site.

I used a d40x in a store and the rear LCD screen does not turn off when you put your face to use the camera - bad.

Yes no AF motor, 3 measley AF points, no DOF button should get a features rating of 7.0 at the most but it got 8.0 only 0.5 less than the XTi.

monopoly Forum Member • Posts: 63
Image Quality...

The only thing that annoys me about that review is his comparison of image quality to the 400D, he states that they are equal, but then digresses by saying expcept at higher iso speeds... Either they're equal or they're not; my canon G7 produces great noise free images at iso80 that compare very well to my canon 350D, but at high iso's the 350D trounces it (naturally) so i wouldnt say they were equal in image quality...

That aside the D40x seems to be a very good camera i must say - i wish my 350D had a grip like it. The lack of AF with all lenses would annoy me though, and compared to the 400D's 9 point AF the 3 point AF of the D40x seems pretty dated, but maybe for its target audience this is better as many may find this simpler to start off with, and if it aint broke dont fix it...?

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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: ITs all relative

What about low-light?

Since the average D40X user will be using a 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens, they will be pushing both their shutter speed and ISO.

The D40X neither has good high ISO performance (as the Canon 400D has) nor does it have anti-shake (as the Sony Alpha 100).

Therefore, it is more flawed than it's similarly-priced competitors, even for the intended newbie customer.
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