D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Started May 28, 2007 | Discussions
BraveUlysses Senior Member • Posts: 1,580
Tim.

I agree. That's why I'm going to ignore any more 'I hate Nikon's D40' threads from now on. Me and my D200 will be too busy shooting good pictures. Well the D200 will be doing the 'good' part - my contribution may be up for debate...
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OP Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Re: BraveUlysses

Tim in upstate NY wrote:

..........Most of these complainers don't use Nikon and don't want
to see Nikon doing well in the marketplace. It's obvious that the
D80 is the best choice for any new person who is concerned about a
path for future upgrades. These guys are nuts if they think that
most entry level DSLR buyers will ever want to do that though.
These forum complainers probably know this but still can't resist a
chance to bash Nikon and DPR because of their issues.........SONY,
KM, Oly and even Pentax fanboys......all of them!

....It's satisfying to know that none of the Canon guys are
interested in this kind of subterfuge. Liike the Nikon users,
they're probably busy shooting photographs with their 'crippled'
cameras........lol

I have long waited for you to make a reasoned/sensible and interesting point in your posts...something to talk about.....after all that is what the forum is about.

I am still waiting! lol

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jackbw Senior Member • Posts: 1,702
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

It's funny how things work out, people just buy what suits them. A friend asked me today about the D40 and D50. I told him if he wants to buy a sharp inexpensive prime lens in the future he may like to get the D50. He asked if that means the lens on the D40 is manual focus only? I said no, it will autofocus just fine with the kit lens including a few lenses with built-in motor.

A few hours later he walked home with a D40 kit, SB400 flash and 55-200VR. He spent a total of USD 900 or GBP 450 equivalent. Another friend who went with him to the store is planning on getting a similar set in July. Why do they keep buying these even though you recommend something else? They said it just took great pictures. Both are coming from superzooms (S3IS and FZ20).

Ken_5D Forum Pro • Posts: 11,820
Re: Rob

BraveUlysses wrote:

Get off the hobby horse mate - the wheels have worn out. Stop
hating Nikon for whatever they've done to you and move on. Life is
too short to get liverish about a camera. If you don't like it,
don't buy it or recommend it. If you really don't like it, don't
buy or recommend Nikon. Ever. That'll teach them, won't it?

You are the clever bloke aren't you... I have noting against Nikon. I just think they built one very cycnical camera or should I say two.. the D40's

My first two digicams were Nikons and I was very pleased with the features of the Coolpix.. including bracketing...yes a 9 year old P&S with something the D40 can't do... isn't progress grand...

Its not me that Nikon has wronged... and now we are all just trying to have a nice discussion about what the difference between "Reccomended" and "highly Reccomended" means..

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BraveUlysses Senior Member • Posts: 1,580
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

ajay0612 wrote:

And what about an enthusiast who doesn't have too much cash to > buy a D80 soon as an upgrade? He will deifinitely step over and go for
Canon 400D or A100. The crux of the matter is: When competition is
offering more at same price point, you have to match them at least
and even exceed with some USP. What is Nikon D40X's USP over 400D
(similar size) or A100 (with in-body I.S.)?

And why does any of this matter? If the poor broke 'enthusiast' wants to buy a different branded camera, that's fine. I'm sure that Nikon have considered that possibility in their market analysis, and decided that they can live with the small loss.

Nikon's marketing people are not stupid - they will have done the studies, counted on their fingers (or used an ababcus) and decided that the market had a space for a camera just like the D40; so far, they seem to be justified in their decision.

If it doesn't suit you, don't buy it.

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Ken_5D Forum Pro • Posts: 11,820
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

ajay0612 wrote:

BraveUlysses wrote:

None of these features are relevant to the target demographic. As
has been often noted in these forums, the people buying the
D40/D40x are those who would have otherwise considered a bridge
cam, but decided that the extra few dollars was well worth the
great leap in image quality. I think Nikon have it right where it
needs to be.

And what about an enthusiast who doesn't have too much cash to buy
a D80 soon as an upgrade? He will deifinitely step over and go for
Canon 400D or A100. The crux of the matter is: When competition is
offering more at same price point, you have to match them at least
and even exceed with some USP. What is Nikon D40X's USP over 400D
(similar size) or A100 (with in-body I.S.)?
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US B&H Street Prices:
Bodies...
Canon XTi $663
Sony A100 $630
Nikon D40x $744 (with 2GB SD card)

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OP Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Ken_5D wrote:

US B&H Street Prices:
Bodies...
Canon XTi $663
Sony A100 $630
Nikon D40x $744 (with 2GB SD card)

That just blows the value for money argument out of the water a tad!

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OP Barry Fitzgerald Forum Pro • Posts: 29,888
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

BraveUlysses wrote:

None of these features are relevant to the target demographic. As
has been often noted in these forums, the people buying the
D40/D40x are those who would have otherwise considered a bridge
cam, but decided that the extra few dollars was well worth the
great leap in image quality. I think Nikon have it right where it
needs to be.

But UK prices on everything are insane. I know, I'm visiting for a
while. 17.5% VAT, FFS, what's with that?

Insane yes....but still better buys than the D40x........

How so? Most people who shoot with 'real' cameras don't know what
exposure bracketing is, so what use would it be to its target
market? And in the bad old steam-powered film days, you just moved
the controls a little between shots to get the bracketing done.
Easy, if you put a little thought into it.

So why bother with an SLR then? My film SLR has exposure bracketing, and DOF preview.

See my note above - most buyers of this camera will NEVER buy any
more lenses than the supplied ones - I'd hazard a guess that those
who buy the single lens kit will only take the lens off once,
straight after they get it out of the box, just to see how it
works. After that, they'll have a damn fine PnS camera that can
grow if they need it to.

So great.....go buy a bridge camera..the entire point of an SLR is being able to change the lenses!

Serious users (and what are they, anyway?) won't be buyig a D40/x -
that's not where Nikon are aiming the camera.

I dont think nikon have a clue.....this wont kill the Canon thats for sure.

Can you say D80?

Yes.......I can say D80 costs more!

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Ken_5D Forum Pro • Posts: 11,820
Re: BraveUlysses

Tim in upstate NY wrote:

BraveUlysses wrote:

Can you say D80?

..........Most of these complainers don't use Nikon and don't want
to see Nikon doing well in the marketplace. It's obvious that the
D80 is the best choice for any new person who is concerned about a
path for future upgrades. These guys are nuts if they think that
most entry level DSLR buyers will ever want to do that though.
These forum complainers probably know this but still can't resist a
chance to bash Nikon and DPR because of their issues.........SONY,
KM, Oly and even Pentax fanboys......all of them!

....It's satisfying to know that none of the Canon guys are
interested in this kind of subterfuge. Liike the Nikon users,
they're probably busy shooting photographs with their 'crippled'
cameras........lol

Just maybe some of the Nikon people who have questions about this one review... (as in even a D40 owner... Guess he is just a Sony Fanboy...using Nikon Cameras)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=23398399

One thing I have to say about the Sony/KM users. they are tough as nails on SOny and question everything... Only Nikon could cripple a DSLR this bad and have people acting like it was innovative...

Oh look over there isn't that the Emperor naked?

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PalmsWestPhoto Forum Pro • Posts: 10,003
ITs all relative

obviously to a professional it is not the tool that he needs

but for the group it is intended for it probably is very good

thats the difference between a reviewer and a reader. The reviewer reviews a product with the customer in mind. The reader reviews the product with himself in mind.

Different points of comparison different results

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d94ka New Member • Posts: 9
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Ken_5D wrote:

I had forgetten about no DOF preview..

That's two exercises in any "Intro to Photography" course the D40
owners will have to work around..

Bracketing..
and DOF.. (though you can take a few seconds to check it in the LCD)

I wonder if any Community college courses will have to * the
approved equipment for photography classes

Students may bring any Film or Digital SLR to complete homework
(except Nikon D40 and D40x)

The cynical aspect of this is that Bracketing is all firmware.. no
extra parts needed.

Bracketing and DOF preview are hardly important features in any photography course that I can imagine. Until I bought my D40x, my camera of choice was a Nikon FE2. It too lacks those features, but I have had no problems in any class I have attended with it and it has been an absolutely wonderful camera. They would have to put that on the list of non-approved cameras as well.

d94ka New Member • Posts: 9
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

d94ka wrote:

Ken_5D wrote:

I had forgetten about no DOF preview..

That's two exercises in any "Intro to Photography" course the D40
owners will have to work around..

Bracketing..
and DOF.. (though you can take a few seconds to check it in the LCD)

I wonder if any Community college courses will have to * the
approved equipment for photography classes

Students may bring any Film or Digital SLR to complete homework
(except Nikon D40 and D40x)

The cynical aspect of this is that Bracketing is all firmware.. no
extra parts needed.

Bracketing and DOF preview are hardly important features in any
photography course that I can imagine. Until I bought my D40x, my
camera of choice was a Nikon FE2. It too lacks those features, but
I have had no problems in any class I have attended with it and it
has been an absolutely wonderful camera. They would have to put
that on the list of non-approved cameras as well.

To clarify my mess above, the FE2 of course doesn't lack DOF preview, it is just that it isn't something that would disqualify a camera from any photography course.

wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
The truth is

Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

A list of areas that could be considered minus points:
No in camera motor, limits lens choice.
No exposure/wb bracketing.
3 point AF system.
Reduced on body controls.
No DOF preview

none of the above really matter to the majority of shooting situations, except maybe the lack of in camera motor as many Nikkors still use it. But men always found ways to work around the problems. Afterall, only aperture, shutter speed and focus are must for any cameras.
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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: kind of raises the obvious question

Or else get the Alpha 100, for less than the 400D, and get anti-shake.

wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
A matter of preference I guess

Steve_ wrote:

Considering the 400D is a direct competitor of the D40/x, the 400D
would seem the obvious choice. I can live without some things, but
when you take out the auto-bracketing and expect me to pay
essentially the same money as though you hadn't, you remove the
possibility of me buying your product.

It looks like at present the 400D is streeting for $735 in the US,
and I expect prices will drop to mirror the D40/x's $699 MSRP soon.
But even should they not, I'd gladly pay $35 for the
auto-bracketing alone. Never mind the better JPEG output and
high-ISO performance.

While 350D/400D look great on paper, the grips are too thin to be comfortable in practice. Tried them a few times in stores but just didn't feel right and kind of slippery. Besides, even though I have owned a number of cameras with bracketing feature over the years, I have never used it once.
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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

If the Nikon D40X was really that cheap, then I would agree. However, since the D40X is priced similarly to other cameras (both the 400D and the Alpha 100) which do not have those disadvantages - then - you do have to wonder what is the point of buying a camera which is inherently flawed.

(A bit like buying a camera without antishake when you could buy an equivalent dSLR that has it, and for less money.)

Redandwhite Regular Member • Posts: 362
Re: A matter of preference I guess

Good points raised

I too didn't like the small (almost nail-file) grip and overall "feel" of the 350D/400D.

The D40(X), while bieng smaller, feels more serious than the Canons. They almost feel like toys at times.

No one can argue against their output though, except for maybe the plasticky look often associated with them
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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Except the Alpha 100, which is priced under the 400D, and which offers spot metering, bracketing, mirror lock-up, and anti-shake...

plus... wireless flash control, a slightly higher magnification viewfinder (0.83x), and Lo80 and Hi200 zone-matching ISO modes.
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wlachan
wlachan Veteran Member • Posts: 6,759
Indeed

PhotoTraveler wrote:

The people buying them aren't aware of them because they don't know
about them and never will even if you tell them about them because
they don't care since what is your weak spot has no impact on them
at all.

You are definitely very bent about this camera. It's not limited,
it's a cheap camera, and cheap things only do so much.

You have made a lot of post about this thing and I doubt if you
talked to a potential buyer they would see the camera any different
after talking to you. If you bring up the AF drive issue they would
ask you "so does the kit lens work", and once you say "yeah, it
works" they would be happy. If you bring up the bracketing they
would ask "do I need that", if you say "yes because of bla bla",
they would look at you with a bit of a blank stare and then ask "is
that important, do I need that for every shot", and if you keep
going further on that path the person would either still buy it
because they have decided it is as important as video out to them,
or they would put it down and go back to P&S cameras where they
don't have to think about bracketing because you have just
explained how complicated it is to us an DSLR.

and not just for cameras.
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Two Truths Veteran Member • Posts: 5,269
Re: D40x........does it deserve such high praise?

Svein Eriksen wrote:

Yes, but that's only (some of) my personal preferences. What about
high iso noise, shutter (mirror) sound, size and wheight etc. I'm
not particulary trying to defend D40x (or it's highly
reccommended), but you can always find something to dislike about a
camera.

The D40X suffers just as much high-ISO noise as the Alpha 100; the harsh in-camera noise repair may make it less noticeable but you lose detail at the same time.

Yep, it's shutter is louder, and it is bigger.

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