First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

Started May 21, 2007 | Discussions
Haggis1669 Forum Member • Posts: 79
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

I'm glad too hear such good things.

I'm been concerned about a CIS system since my last venture into this caused the complete descruction of the printer.

So i've gone for the new cartridges which can be filled while still in the printer and no need to be removed.

I got a really nice email from Ronnie saying he has new and better cartridges which he had just tested and was I wanting the existing ones or willing to wait for these new ones to arrive.

Which i think was nice since he's not trying to just unload old stock first.

I'll follow up in about 2 weeks hopefully with more good news and nice prints too boot.

sorry should have said these are going into the R1800 printer

Haggis1669 Forum Member • Posts: 79
ICC Profiles for the R1800

I have a stupid question.

Do i Need a single profile for the R1800 itself or do I need individual ones for each paper type i'm going to be using with it

Also does anyone know where i can get some icc profiles for the efill and such

Brian_Downunda Regular Member • Posts: 457
Re: ICC Profiles for the R1800

You will need a profile for each paper / ink / printer combination. Of course you could get lucky by trying various existing profiles and see if they work for your combination, but you could also waste a lot of ink and paper trying. I'm told that the Epson profiles are not all that bad of you are using the Image specialists inks that efillink supply with Epson paper, but it will depend on how fussy you are. I seem to recall that some people use them with a few tweaks in the driver. If you stick with one paper / ink / printer combination, of just a few, it would pay to have custom profiles made.

I would be interested to know how you go with the new efillink refillable cartridges, given the problems that I had with them.

Brian D

BrianDeveloper Regular Member • Posts: 192
Re: ICC Profiles for the R1800

You will need profiles for each paper. However various users of Efilliink CIS have given Ronnie profiles which we have made suitable for all the main papers. Check with him before buying in custom profiles.

However a custom profile will give the very best results as no two printers are identical and the custom profile will be made for your printer. If you use a lot of different papers get some profiling kit if not then get a custom profile made for the paper you use most.
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Brian_Downunda Regular Member • Posts: 457
Re: ICC Profiles for the R1800

That's interesting. He didn't mention a profile library to me. I have an i1 Photo and have profiled the Epson and Ilford Gloss and Semi-Gloss papers for an R2400, which I could contribute.

Brian D.

BrianDeveloper wrote:

However a custom profile will give the very best results as no two
printers are identical and the custom profile will be made for your
printer. If you use a lot of different papers get some profiling kit
if not then get a custom profile made for the paper you use most.
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SevilleMedia New Member • Posts: 3
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

Hey, I got eFillink myself a while back, went through the whole set of inks and was very pleased with the results. I have some prints that hang in my studio in direct sunlight, six months and I haven't noticed any degradation. What I did bad though, was out of laziness, haven't used the system in about six months so the air got into my ribbon and whatever ink was in there, dried solid. I tried cleaning it but I assume it's too late. I chatted with Ronnie who I think is the owner and he's sending me a new ribbon. Hope it solves the issue as everything else seems to be just fine. Besides the snafu on my part, I highly recommend this particular CIS, even if it's for the support and great service alone.
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SevilleMedia New Member • Posts: 3
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

OK. So all the replacement parts arrived promptly and here is the fun part. Ron, the efillink dude, spent almost four hours in skype assisting me in getting things replaced, installed, and all the way through when the first perfect print came out. I think very few commercial entities can beat this level of service. Oh, and the CIS works like a charm once again.
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WarHen Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

I've been using the refill for the R1900 and been pretty happy. I hear there are some new inks on the horizon that rival the epson and I'm looking forward to testing them. But the refill cartridges seem to be having chip related errors. The display window shows several with a red X through them as if they are empty and the others are grayed out. When I run through the online replacement routine it says the X'd cartridges are not compatible with the printer (although they had been workign fine). I've actually seen this several times...usually it clears itself up within a day or two. It doesn't seem to be working this time. Has anyone seen this before?

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WarHen Junior Member • Posts: 31
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

I tried a different set of chips on the cartridges and having the same problem, Ron at efillink found the solultion. He told me to try adjusting the chips and make sure they are centered. It didn't make sense to me, I mean, it had been workign fine and I hadn't removed anything when the errors started, but I did what he suggested. It didn't seem like they were off center, but I took one cartridge out and move the chip a bit and recentered it and then put it back in the printer...it cleared up all 3 of the errors. Everything is printing normally again.

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Pierreleon Forum Member • Posts: 93
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

Hello Paul

As many I have read your post on Effilink I am about to make my choice and I wonder about your experience a year later ? are you still using effilink ? have tried other inks ?

I am also living in Canada (ottawa) and worry about customs ..last I order a part from the US I had to go through an agent for the custom !

Pierreleon

OP Paul Spatafora Contributing Member • Posts: 939
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200 I Year Later

Pierreleon wrote:

Hello Paul
As many I have read your post on Effilink I am about to make my
choice and I wonder about your experience a year later ? are you
still using effilink ? have tried other inks ?
I am also living in Canada (ottawa) and worry about customs ..last I
order a part from the US I had to go through an agent for the custom !

Pierreleon

Yes, I'm still using it thus far and I'm very happy with it. It's saved me a bundle of cash with inks. It has it's usual 2200 clogging issues but you're not bleeding away ink like in those little carts any more.

Ronnie at Efill is a fantastic support person and he will take care of you at all stages of the process. He has several methods of unclogging the head and they work great, so tell ask him for the tips. Get the SCC utility to run your printer. I use rechargeable batteries to run the unit.

It's one of the best investments I've maid in digital photography. I'm very confident that you will be happy as much as I am. Also, make sure you get the unit pedestal as it puts the unit at the correct height for the system to operate with the printer.

What sold me on Efill was Ronnies's support services. From time to time I had a clogging problem and Ronnie's there to help. BTW, I'm not related, or know him other than with the purchase and support of the unit.

If you live in Canada like I do, and you want to buy stuff around the world, you'll have to pay customs. We don't have the selection like the US has. Whenever I buy anything outside of Canada I insist on the countries postal service. Absolutely, positively NO UPS, FEDEx DHL, etc... USPS is the best and cheapest method. The other carriers, especially UPS are a complete rip off. The thing crosses the border with USPS, all you pay is the taxes and a small handling fee. I've bought stuff from Hong Kong and it's cost me less than from the US.

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Paul

weddingguy New Member • Posts: 4
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

Hi,
I am a wedding photographer out in British Columbia.

I have been using Ronnie Luks CIS system with my Epson 2200 for about 4 years now, and I am still very happy.

Took a little tweaking to get the colour where I wanted it and from then on no problem. It has saved me literally many hundreds of $$$. Haven't worked it out exactly, but I know in the first year with this printer I used about 60 cartridges from Epson at $20. each. In the past fout years it has cost me about $600 with Ronnie's ink system.

Like a previous poster said, a couple of times when I needed parts they were sent to me free . . and quickly! Great service and lots of help when questions arose.

I have 4 13x19 prints framed on my wall since the first year of using these inks and they look the same as when I first printed them.

To overcome the clogging problem, which by the way was the same with Epson's caartridges as with Efillink's system, I just print a 4x5 print daily and since starting that habit haven't had a clogged head. Very rare head cleaning need as well. I think it uses less ink than the routine cleaning I used to do.

I'm pleased with the whole experience.

Here's the link to Ronnie's site for anyone that's interested.

http://www.efillink.com/

Joy Dutta New Member • Posts: 1
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

I got tired of the branded ink cartridge ripoffs (incredible how much ink still remains when the printer driver declares that a cart is empty) and finally got a refillable cartridge kit from efillink.com.

After using it for a couple weeks on my Epson 2200, I am absolutely amazed at the performance. The ink quality is indistinguishable from epson and there is no leak or clog or anything. I am very happy with the purchase and recommend anyone with the epson printers to give it a try. The payback will be super quick.

I am very thankful to Ronnie Luk for his stellar customer service.

dpzinn New Member • Posts: 1
Comments on Efillink refillable cartridges using Epson R2400

I just want to spread the word. Like Brian, this is my first post as well, and I am not affiliated with efillink, only a customer. At the end of his post, Brian mentioned the new cartridges which efillink is offering due to multiple problems with the previous batch, and this is what I want to comment on.

I have used efillinks for almost two years. The inks have always been extremely good— no problems with clogging or banding. After profiling them with Monaco EZcolor (a nice little prosumer app), the color is rock-solid and virtually indistinguishable from the OEM Epson inks.

I do not use the CIS, but rather the refillable cartridges with an Epson R2400. The first set of cartridges I got (Dec. '07) were very difficult to use. They required a lot of maintenance after a refill— many purge-pattern prints and wasted ink. It got to be quite a headache, and I was about to give up on the whole affair and cut my losses.

But I decided to give it one last chance, and I purchased a set of the new-improved refillable cartridges— I'm glad I did! The new cartridges don't require maintenance and are incredibly easy to use. They re-set themselves after the ink goes down to around 20% left. Then you just refill the cartridge, do a nozzle check (and clean cycle if necessary), and your good to go.

I am not kidding. They print great, look great, are good for the environment, and save you a ton of money— what's not to like? And the support you get from Ron Luk is simply unbelievable— patient, knowledgeable, and very available.

If you are tired of paying top dollar for the wasteful Epson cartridges, you really should give these a try.

drumyon New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Comments on Efillink refillable cartridges using Epson R2400

I have been using the Epson R2400 for some 3 years now, along with a Stylus Color 3000 that I use for proofing. The R2400 has been a great printer but the ink costs associated with it have been been somewhat astounding. Since I use the R2400 for both Photographic work AND graphics and DTP my ink usage may be somewhat higher than usual. For quite a while I toyed with the idea of going to

some sort of refillable or continuous ink system but there were always caveats associated with most of these devices and I looked at quite a few. There's really no way anyone can REALLY determine which of these devices actually works other than taking the plunge and investing in one. So after much deliberation I decided to go with a refillable cartridge system rather than a CIS because ALL the CIS devices I devices I checked into required stuff to be hanging out of the printer or to be drilling holes in it since the R2400 was never designed with CIS in mind. The Idea of cartridges appealed to me because I like things nice an neat. So I decided to go with the Efillink cart system as it was really the only system that was getting CONSISTENTLY (important word there) good reviews from people on the forums that actually had them. My setup consists of the R2400 8 ounce cart package, chip re-setter, and cleaning kit.

Personally I wouldn't recommend someone getting any sort of third party continuous system unless you have a method of profiling the system to the paper(S) that you'll be using. I had to do this with the Epson K3 and I'm using epson papers (among others) as the canned (downloadable) profiles were close but not quite close enough. I use a DataColor Spectro with SpyderPRint Pro. After installing the Efillink cartridges the first thing I did was print out the 8 Color test pages I got off of Rons' site. The First print (on plain paper at Best Photo setting) showed banding on LLK, LC, K, C, M, and Y. Since I use a print server I installed the SSC utility on the server so I could use the more superior head cleaning options that this utility allows. This utility has a bevy of useful features but DOES NOT work with Networked printers unfortunately. So I ran a SSC Power clean and then printed the second 8 color purge page which now showed perfect blacks but still some slight banding on M, LC, and C. At this point I did a SSC color ONLY clean and printed the 3rd, 8 color purge page. All colors were now perfect with no banding on any color.

Now it was on to profiling. I use mostly Epson papers with some Ilford heavy bond for very large photographic prints. Epson S041124 for graphic output and S041405 for regular photographic prints. The 2 Epson papers are the ones I use the most and are the ones I profiled first. Epson S041124 is a lighter weight smooth satin gloss paper. The R2400 prints inherently darker but even more so on lighter paper. Im guessing the lighter the paper the more chance for ink to blot as the printer uses pretty much the same amounts of ink at any of the given settings regardless of the paper being used. I print a 225 color and 255 chip gray sheet (2 sheets) for each of the given printer settings and then spectro those into a profile for that particular setting. On the R2400 there are 4 settings, Fine, Photo, Best Photo, and Photo RPM with is used for printing on canvas (which I have yet to use). Printing out the first set of chip sheets on EPSON S041124 in FINE mode with the Image Specialists ink set, I compared those to it's K3 counterparts. There wasn't much of a difference really other than the noticeable slightly darker blacks which was a welcome change from the K3. Whites and mids were neck and neck with the K3 with no really noticeable differences. Once I got the chip sheets pectro'ed, and a profile for the Epson S041124 paper in Fine mode completed, I printed some composited graphic material out of photoshop using the new profile. Compared to output from the K3 ink set there is VIRTUALLY NO DISCERNABLE DIFFERENCE IN PRINT QUALITY! Same goes for pure photographic material. The blacks are slightly blacker but this was something I was missing with the K3.

So, all in all a GREAT investment. The same to better print quality, for what approximately amounts to 3$ per color cartridge to print as opposed to the genuine Epson K3 which I was paying from 11-13$ per color cartridge. I must say as well, Ron Luk of Efillink is very attentive to his customers and I can't say enough about the kind of support he provides. I will also say that I am NOT, in any way shape or form, affiliated with Efillink in any capacity other than being a customer of the R2400 cart system. I recommend the Efillink cartridge system for anyone who has a profiling system and a Epson R2400 printer. This cart system actually makes a good printer even greater by reducing the costs it takes to run it.

drumyon New Member • Posts: 6
Re: UPDATE on purchase of Efillink refillable cartridges for Epson R2400

I have used this setup for a little over 2 months and found many anomalies and one large show-stopping defect in the hardware of these kits outlined below.

The real Deal breaker for me on these carts was found matter-of-factly when I went to replace a cart with a “LOW” ink level. Turns out the cart, in actuality, was 85-90% FULL of ink, but the monitor already flagged the cart and the chip reset itself. I keep the Standby set of carts full of ink in a small plastic tray and the carts themselves are kept oriented exactly the way they sit in the printer. Nothing pokes them and nothing topples them over and the fill plugs are intact. When I went to grab a FULL cart from the tray for replacing (a basically full cart anyway) I noticed a large amount of INK pooled in the bottom of the tray. Upon further investigation I found that 3 (THREE) of the standby carts were LEAKING ink from the SEAMS. Not from a port or valve but FROM THE SEAMS of the carts themselves. Luckily this didn’t happen when these things were INSIDE the printer. At this point I have removed all EFILLINK gear from my printer and refuse to use EFILLINK products any further and informed Efillink about this repeatedly. After many attempts to drive the point home that I am NOT interested in receiving “replacement” carts as the things are of inferior quality and design, I still have not received an RMA and/or refund.
Conclusion;

There is NO refillable system inks that will render SUPERIOR quality to Genuine Epson K3 and the Efillink stuff is no exception. At first impression you will notice little change to your naked eye, but as you continue on with the Image Specialists ink and the last bits of K3 leave the system you will start to notice color gamut compression manifesting itself in less brilliant reds and yellows. I have since gone BACK to GENUINE EPSON K3 because, of this writing, there isn’t anything better quality-wise for the R2400 or any other Epson printers that I have found. Efillink, as well as other vendors of these refill cart kits and CIS’s also claim that archival qualities of the ink are “of K3 quality”. I have not tested the Image Specialist ink for Direct Sunlight Fade, or Age, but I had a chance to test color-fastness of the ink with a simple water splash test on 2 identical prints made on the same Epson photo paper. One print was done with Genuine Epson K3, the other with Image Specialists after approximately 1.5 months, well after all K3 was out of the system. Water on the Genuine K3 was repelled by the print and simply beaded up when first touching it. If gotten to fairly quickly there was no damage at all to the print. If left on the print the paper will eventually soak up the water but the K3 didn’t run or distort. The Image Specialist ink totally blotted and ran pretty much as soon as water touched it. This leads one to believe that possibly the other archival qualities of the ink that are claimed by the sellers could be false as well.

Efillink is a web-based, one person operation that uses SKYPE as the preferred method of communication. They have an actual phone number, but I’ve never had any luck getting a human to answer that line. It seems as that efillink gets its customers to “sing their praises” on forums such as this by offering them free stuff in exchange for good things said about their products. Efillink will say or do pretty much anything to get your money. However, once you have paid them there is NO hope of ever getting it back short of taking them to court. All mails sent to Efillink about the show stopping CART INK LEAK PROBLEM and request for RMA and Refund was met with the same “we will replace the carts, and even fill them with ink…”, rhetoric. Efillink seems to think that when THEY fill the carts ink magically won’t leak from the seams. In this particular case the 3 carts of the 8 that were leaking from the seams were in fact filled by Efillink in the first place. So it appears I’m now out $400 and stuck with these funky carts and ink which are about as useful as a diet crouton at this point. Efillink DOES NOT offer any money back guarantee for their products which says volumes about how much they stand behind them.

Bottom line items to keep in mind when considering ANY ink jet refill or CIS schemes are these;
1. NO real archival quality for your prints

2. NOT the widest possible color gamut printed to paper. NONE of them will rival commercial processing, sans K3 ink, which is why you purchased the printer in the first place, right ?

3. You WILL chance possible damage to the printer by faulty cartridges leaking ink into it

4. You WILL save money on ink costs, but you will waste a lot of time, ink, and plain paper each and every time you change a refillable cart in order to get the ink flowing back properly to the print head. This probably not so much with a CIS, but you get my point…

If you fit the requirements for trying a refillable cart system, or CIS you’re going to need at least a month or two to really test it. But buy the things from somewhere that will at least guarantee their stuff. MIS INKSUPPLY.COM guarantees their stuff for 60 days no questions asked, so you can stay clear of Efillink. And NO, I’m NOT advocating MIS, nor am I affiliated with MIS, or own any of their products. Their website actually says “60 day no questions asked money back guarantee”. I have no idea if their stuff is any better than Efillink. They do offer a method to refill Genuine Original K3 OEM cartridges with their inks. The process doesn’t look too complicated, but there’s definitely the possibility for leakage, via the user installed refill port located on the bottom of every Epson OEM cart, with that system as well. Even barring the leakage problems you’re still left without Genuine K3 ink which is really the whole point of the printer in the first place. There is no “compatible” ink that even comes close to replicating ALL the properties of Genuine K3. The rest is just semantics.

johnpeeay Regular Member • Posts: 149
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

I am using a R2400 and interested in refillable cartridges, INKJETFLY.com have new vivid magenta and vivid light magenta inks in a set of inks for R2880 pro3800 etc and could I presume be used in the r2400 if they are profiled. Anybody on this forum tried the latest inks from inkjetfly yet?

Zone8 Forum Pro • Posts: 17,243
Re: First Impression Efillink CIS Epson 2200

johnpeeay wrote:

I am using a R2400 and interested in refillable cartridges, INKJETFLY.com have new vivid magenta and vivid light magenta inks in a set of inks for R2880 pro3800 etc and could I presume be used in the r2400 if they are profiled. Anybody on this forum tried the latest inks from inkjetfly yet?

I have the 1400 and am using the inkjetfly.com pigmented inks. I can comment the new Matte Black is producing some of the best B+W on my usual watercolour and cartridge papers. Using just the Plain Paper setting and Photo output - as I detailed previously) to only use the Black ink.

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Lothman Contributing Member • Posts: 808
I do not believe

drumyon wrote:

Water on the Genuine K3 was repelled by the print and simply beaded up when first touching it. If gotten to fairly quickly there was no damage at all to the print. If left on the print the paper will eventually soak up the water but the K3 didn’t run or distort. The Image Specialist ink totally blotted and ran pretty much as soon as water touched it. This leads one to believe that possibly the other archival qualities of the ink that are claimed by the sellers could be false as well.

I don't know why all your post flame against efillink nor do I use their CIS. But I use Image Specialist pigmented inks on my R2400 in refillable cartridges and they are as water resistant as they can be. On glossy and semiglosy paper of different brands I can soak prints over night and the water stays clear and 100,000% of the inks adheres to the paper.

So I believe nothing of your "findings". Are you on Epsons payroll?

Zone8 Forum Pro • Posts: 17,243
Re: I do not believe

Lothman wrote:

I don't know why all your post flame against efillink nor do I use their CIS. But I use Image Specialist pigmented inks on my R2400 in refillable cartridges and they are as water resistant as they can be. On glossy and semiglosy paper of different brands I can soak prints over night and the water stays clear and 100,000% of the inks adheres to the paper.

So I believe nothing of your "findings". Are you on Epsons payroll?

I totally agree - see my recent other reply in this post - and on another post by same person. I took the attitude that it was not so much flaming in disguise but perhaps more a case of inexperience using things properly. And .... I don't use Effilink products but inkjetfly - which also use the same inks.

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