Auditioning with the 85/1.4

Started Apr 15, 2007 | Discussions
(unknown member) Veteran Member • Posts: 4,760
Re: retouch

A couple weeks back Frank posted some shots that were . . . like the original shots here, too red. I asked him if he had changed his monitor, or changed something else, as the images that he had been posting had a "ruddy" cast to them (too hot) that I seemingly had not seen before in his shots. I was trying to be helpful. After I posted it . . . I thought about it and realized it just wasn't worth going back to see what kind of defensive response I 'may' get from him so I never went back. Some things are just not worth it. I see in the last edited shots that much red has been yanked and it does indeed look better. Hopefully, this will be helpful to him to see.

MagicNikon wrote:

It looks good...but prepare for UF asking you to take it down...

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Re: brick - - - -

You are on to something going 'cooler' though.

You may not have nailed it but it is somewhat more appealing to the eye 'cooler'.

brick33308 wrote:

Sorry, UF, I didn't read the whole post and didn't see your request.
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zoomring Regular Member • Posts: 342
Re: leave the pro forum to the pros

Uncle Frank wrote:

knox wrote:

Frank . . I have stated it to you before and I see someone said it
above. I feel it would be helpful to you to post things like this
at the pro forum...

Interesting, since the other person to make that suggestion is a
troll. I'll leave the pro forum to those who aspire to make
their living from photography. Unlike you, I'm not a serious
artist, and my only motivation in posting is to share my enjoyment
of the hobby with fellow hobbyists. Perhaps you're the person who
is on the wrong forum.

Frank, i don't think it's out of line to suggest posting in the pro-forum, if you plan to charge them a fee, doesn't that make it at least a professional job? When you say hobbyist I think of someone casually walking past a church ceremony or beach side wedding and taking some pictures.

Prairie Pal Senior Member • Posts: 2,728
Re: Auditioning with the 85/1.4...FAT CAT

UF,

I like the way you photographed the cat...it's a bang on image. You captured that soft pink nose and piercing eyes perfectly. I see you used the photographers' magic glamour trick of defocusing the wrinkles and baggy jowels. If the cat belongs to the lady I'd say you got the job.
Good job

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MagicNikon Veteran Member • Posts: 5,445
Re: retouch

Thats not all that uncommon with UF. If you post any sort of criticism of his 'work' he gets all defensive and starts tearing your down...or callign you a stalker or a troll. Go figure.

knox wrote:
A couple weeks back Frank posted some shots that were . . . like
the original shots here, too red. I asked him if he had changed
his monitor, or changed something else, as the images that he had
been posting had a "ruddy" cast to them (too hot) that I seemingly
had not seen before in his shots. I was trying to be helpful.
After I posted it . . . I thought about it and realized it just
wasn't worth going back to see what kind of defensive response I
'may' get from him so I never went back. Some things are just not
worth it. I see in the last edited shots that much red has been
yanked and it does indeed look better. Hopefully, this will be
helpful to him to see.

MagicNikon wrote:

It looks good...but prepare for UF asking you to take it down...

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nuteshack Senior Member • Posts: 2,626
Pavel

ty so much for the kind words, Pavel....;-))

I have yet to be ina situation where i felt my camera wasn't good enough...it's always about me -> i have so much to learn and i'm not foolish enough to think another camera will bring it home for me....;-)

concerning the lenses ...if speed isn't a concern i would go for the tamron, PERIOD...more on this later.
(refreshing to witness some love in this tread)

bless
;-))

Pavel S wrote:

nuteshack, I personally consider your portrait images you have
posted here recently as the most interesting examples of superbly
well done portraits!
I like to show your images at Flickr to people who are arguing that
one can not make good photograph using anything less than full
frame pro camera with super expensive glass (not that your lenses
are second league, but using them on D50 is living proof that
photography is about the man behind the camera, rather than the
hardware he is using).
Sorry for drifting off topic

PS - I would still like to know whether you can compare the nikkor
85 f/1.8 to Tamron 90 f/2.8 after some experience with that later.

nuteshack Senior Member • Posts: 2,626
Re: joseph...

thanks for the kind words, Keith.

bless
;-))

Waldo_O wrote:

nuteshack wrote:

Uncle Frank wrote:

josephho wrote:

people have most likely hired worse photographers for a wedding but
you should be aware of the responsibility a couple is trusting you
with. this is not a day to be messing around with.

Thanks for the feedback, Joseph. I couldn't agree more with your
sentiments about wedding photography. It's not an assignment to be
taken lightly, and gear alone won't carry the day. Your comments
were very appropriate in light of the samples I shared on this
thread. I promise to do better on the wedding day.

well Frank, i still want u to do my daughter's weddings (notice
that plurality, i still have 5 more girls to marry off..o boy).
finances permitting of course...;-))

love your work and especially your STYLE ...

bless
;-))

You were reading my mind Nute.

And if not for the generous contributions of people like you and
Frank how would inexperienced people like myself know how a lens
does wide open, or what the bokeh characteristics are?

Frank, to me it is obvious from your examples that people are
comfortable with you as the photographer. But the cat shot (with
the beautiful boke btw) - it seemed a little less trusting of you
at the moment.

Thanks for all of your posts Frank. They are entertaining and
informative.

Keith

Canonite1 Regular Member • Posts: 175
That red

A couple weeks back Frank posted some shots that were . . . like the original shots here, too red.

Beware, he may call you a troll for that... hehe

Canonite1 Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: enough, knox

Uncle Frank wrote:

From what yoiu've told me, you have your hands full trying to help
yourself, Knox. Please go away and stop the stalking and absurd
posturing.

Wow... with every post you make a new friend UF.

Pavel S Regular Member • Posts: 159
This image is dead

Aside the white balance issue of the original image, it also appears that your "touch up" also increased the shaprening by little.

That is not a good idea in this case, because that will emphasize the plan in focus even more and in result the dull eyes will be even more pronounced to the viewer by the contrast to the sharper plan behind them.

brick33308
brick33308 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,377
Re: brick - - - -

I just want to clarify what my intent was. Although I did cool down the overall tone, I was simply practicing what I've learned (and admittedly am still learning) about "glamour" retouching - got rid of the blotchy skin color (he had what looks like a birth mark on the right side of his cheek), made his eyes pop a bit and whitened his teeth.

But, I want to make absolutely clear that I wasn't implying that Uncle Franks's shooting technique needs fixing in any way. This kind of retouching is something that even the world's best portrait photographers do to "improve" on nature (and they do it better and with greater finesse than I do!). On the contrary, I think Uncle Frank is an excellent photographer, has great equipment and knows very well how to use it. I don't think this particular series that he posted is his best work, but it's surely a cut above the average. And I've enjoyed viewing his frequent posts which have given me ideas how to improve my own work. In fact, it was because of Uncle Frank that I bought the 85/1.4 which has turned out to be my favorite lens!

Had I read the entire thread, I would have seen and honored Uncle Franks's request that his photos not be retouched. That's certainly his prerogative, and frankly what I've taken away from this is that it's presumptuous of me to modify anyone's images unless that's what they want (such as by posting them on the retouching forum). Uncle Frank, I regret if I offended you in any way.

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Re: brick - - - -

brick33308 wrote:

Had I read the entire thread, I would have seen and honored Uncle
Franks's request that his photos not be retouched. That's certainly
his prerogative, and frankly what I've taken away from this is that
it's presumptuous of me to modify anyone's images unless that's
what they want (such as by posting them on the retouching forum).
Uncle Frank, I regret if I offended you in any way.

You have no need to apologize, Brick. I'm never offended by people trying to help.

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glenn 67 Junior Member • Posts: 48
What's the point?

What's the point of this whole thread in the first place?

Canonite1 Regular Member • Posts: 175
Read that!

I'm never offended by people trying to help.

ROFL

Ikeepem Senior Member • Posts: 1,393
Re: brick - - - -

Awww jeeez, some people have too much time on their hands. Thanks for sharing Uncle Frank. Always a pleasure to see any of your photo's, good or bad, 99.999% are outstanding. You know best what to do, Have fun with your wedding......

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Canonite1 Regular Member • Posts: 175
Re: brick - - - -

Awww jeeez, some people have too much time on their hands. Thanks
for sharing Uncle Frank. Always a pleasure to see any of your
photo's, good or bad, 99.999% are outstanding.

99.999%. Thats a lot considering that people like Ansel Adams say they took only a handful of great shots in their whole career.

evilgreg3000 Contributing Member • Posts: 562
except maybe this time . . .

Uncle Frank wrote:

You have no need to apologize, Brick. I'm never offended by people
trying to help.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=22880399

You seemed pretty offended there. And the guy (RedBarron?) had mostly just fixed the wb a bit on your shots, though he did oversharpen that b&w one.

Greg

Ikeepem Senior Member • Posts: 1,393
Re: brick - - - -

Canonite1 wrote:

Awww jeeez, some people have too much time on their hands. Thanks
for sharing Uncle Frank. Always a pleasure to see any of your
photo's, good or bad, 99.999% are outstanding.

99.999%. Thats a lot considering that people like Ansel Adams say
they took only a handful of great shots in their whole career.

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Re: What's the point?

glenn 67 wrote:

What's the point of this whole thread in the first place?

I started out sharing a few pictures of my newest bride, her groom, and her cat. But it turned into a Seinfeld episode, Glenn.. pointless.

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zoomring Regular Member • Posts: 342
Re: What's the point?

Uncle Frank wrote:

glenn 67 wrote:

What's the point of this whole thread in the first place?

I started out sharing a few pictures of my newest bride, her groom,
and her cat. But it turned into a Seinfeld episode, Glenn..
pointless.

Actually It started out sharing a few out of focus pictures with really expensive gear in order to land a job. What I have learned from these posts is that

a-) Shooting wide open with very narrow DOF is an art that has to be mastered.

b-) Really expensive gear will not make a better photographer

I do not think those two points are pointless.

I do admire UF for not taking down the originals, anyone with skin thinner than an amarillo would have done so. Secondly, I am sure that Uf will use this as additional inspiration to take the most stunningly beautiful photos at the wedding and he will (hopefully) post some samples in october to prove all the negative and sometimes personal comments what his true skills are.

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