Auditioning with the 85/1.4

Started Apr 15, 2007 | Discussions
Uncle Frank
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Auditioning with the 85/1.4

I was interviewed today by a young couple looking for a photog for their September wedding. I'll be sending them a quote, and took a few sample pics to include with it. I use the Cream Machine for auditions, because it produces images that make me appear to be a better photographer than I actually am.

Meet the lovely bride, Amanda,

... and her groom, John.

Amanda's kitty cat was an interested spectator.

And here's the handsome couple.

I'm hoping these samples land me the job.

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djh63 Regular Member • Posts: 358
You'll get the job! Great samples.
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David

rahulg Regular Member • Posts: 152
Re: Auditioning with the 85/1.4

I have mixed feelings about the requirement of a slightly higher sharpness....I have never used an f1.4 lens so i dont know how much sharpness is achievable wide open....moreover, if the bride uses too much make up then the current technique is best I guess.

BUT I am sure you will get the job. (due to a combination of the good lens, good looks of your clients and well...your skill too!!).
best wishes
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Paul.R.Lindqvist
Paul.R.Lindqvist Veteran Member • Posts: 4,536
Hope you get the job

despite you missed the focus on the groom.

A good looking couple nevertheless.

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Pavel S Regular Member • Posts: 159
Eyes are out of focus

I see why the lens is called a Cream Machine! The sherpness is definitely there, although to me it looks like the eyes (on the firs two pics) are out of focus and the sharp plan starts around their ears. Is that done by purpose?

jeffreykoh New Member • Posts: 16
Re: Eyes are out of focus

The focus on the eyes is acceptable to me. it's hard to get things in focus when wide open, but UF has done great.

1bradman Regular Member • Posts: 159
Not entirely convinced

I must admit I am not sure that I would have sent those. Both the first two seem to be focused on the ears leaving the eyes distractingly blurred. Why not use a smaller aperture?
Matt.

Pavel S Regular Member • Posts: 159
Re: Eyes are out of focus

jeffreykoh wrote:

The focus on the eyes is acceptable to me. it's hard to get things
in focus when wide open, but UF has done great.

Yes, the shalow DOF is the main strenght of wide aperture lenses, but also its main treachery. Mastering it is the crucial premise for proper image, oherwise it is negating the whole "magic" effect of wide open lenses. Just stating the obvious. Eyes are what makes the portrait.

All that aside, I sincerely wish good luck to Unclefrank with this assignment.

JJ10 Senior Member • Posts: 1,079
Re: Eyes are out of focus

Not sure what is going on here but I would not use these as samples of your work as you have missed the focus and they are 'ooofff'.

josephho Contributing Member • Posts: 881
Re: Eyes are out of focus

people have most likely hired worse photographers for a wedding but you should be aware of the responsibility a couple is trusting you with. this is not a day to be messing around with.

you are here hoping your 1000 dollar lens will make you look better than you really are but you cant even get it in focus. you cant take every picture with that lens when the day comes and with all the comotion, your focusing skills will only be worse.

if that is all you can muster, you would be slapping them in the face to take the job.

it is not uncommon for underperforming wedding photographers to get sued either. if you dont live up to expectations, you are going to hear some bitter comments at a minimum and it might effect your future intrests to jump in too early, before you know what your doing.

you need practice.

Paul.R.Lindqvist
Paul.R.Lindqvist Veteran Member • Posts: 4,536
Re: Eyes are out of focus

jeffreykoh wrote:

The focus on the eyes is acceptable to me. it's hard to get things
in focus when wide open, but UF has done great.

Acceptable !?

Would you serisouly deliver a photo missfocused like the one of the groom ?

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edwardneal Veteran Member • Posts: 5,781
out of line

you are talking without knowing Uncle Franks work. Uncle Frank has been shooting weddings for a long time and if you did a little research here before making these comments you would know it. I have seen some samples of his work posted here that are absolutely stunning.

take a look at some of his work in these posts and you will see that he is very well prepared for the job

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=18158255

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=18160980&q=uncle+frank+wedding&qf=m

josephho wrote:

people have most likely hired worse photographers for a wedding but
you should be aware of the responsibility a couple is trusting you
with. this is not a day to be messing around with.

you are here hoping your 1000 dollar lens will make you look better
than you really are but you cant even get it in focus. you cant
take every picture with that lens when the day comes and with all
the comotion, your focusing skills will only be worse.

if that is all you can muster, you would be slapping them in the
face to take the job.

it is not uncommon for underperforming wedding photographers to get
sued either. if you dont live up to expectations, you are going to
hear some bitter comments at a minimum and it might effect your
future intrests to jump in too early, before you know what your
doing.

you need practice.

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Edward

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jeffreykoh New Member • Posts: 16
Re: Eyes are out of focus

Paul.R.Lindqvist wrote:

jeffreykoh wrote:

The focus on the eyes is acceptable to me. it's hard to get things
in focus when wide open, but UF has done great.

Acceptable !?

Would you serisouly deliver a photo missfocused like the one of the
groom ?

IMHO, with proper sharpening, the OOF on the eyes will not be obvious in small prints.

MagicNikon Veteran Member • Posts: 5,445
Re: Outstanding

Outstanding shot of the cat (perhaps the kitty knew you were using the 'cream' machine). You seem to have missed focus on the people though.

If you were auditioning for pet portrais, you'd definitley get the job...

If you show these to the client though, they may prefer shots where the eyes are in focus. I'm all for softening in portraiture, but the eyes and lips should be sharper, IMO.
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evilgreg3000 Contributing Member • Posts: 562
I agree with Edward

I agree with Edward, and I'm not a big Uncle Frank fan.

Generally I think he does a nice job with people, the portraits he's posted are usually pretty high quality.

So sure, the focus is off on the groom shot, but don't assume UF is incapable of doing a good job with portraits.

If you want to rip him, go after his food photography. You'll know what I mean if you search for his barbecue restaurant post--that stuff was pretty bad, unlike his portraiture.

Greg

1bradman Regular Member • Posts: 159
hold on though...

Hang on a minute... these are shots that the OP has posted to show off his technique and equipment and indeed has sent to his prospective clients to promote his services. I don't think it is at all harsh to point out that they could be better. I would hope that the OP would appreciate that people are trying to help. I'm sure he has a very fine catalogue of perfectly focused shots but... he didn't post them.
Regards, Matt.

Paul.R.Lindqvist
Paul.R.Lindqvist Veteran Member • Posts: 4,536
Re: Eyes are out of focus

jeffreykoh wrote:

IMHO, with proper sharpening, the OOF on the eyes will not be
obvious in small prints.

We all have diffrent standards i guess.

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edwardneal Veteran Member • Posts: 5,781
perhaps but

josephho - basically is assuming that U.F. is a rank beginner and warns him about responsibility as a wedding photographer.

It is very clear that joesphho has no clue about U.F.'s experience. so I suggested he should have looked before he spoke

This is all I have commented on here in this post

1bradman wrote:

Hang on a minute... these are shots that the OP has posted to show
off his technique and equipment and indeed has sent to his
prospective clients to promote his services. I don't think it is
at all harsh to point out that they could be better. I would hope
that the OP would appreciate that people are trying to help. I'm
sure he has a very fine catalogue of perfectly focused shots but...
he didn't post them.
Regards, Matt.

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evilgreg3000 Contributing Member • Posts: 562
exactly

When I said I agreed with Edward, I was talking about his reply to josephho. Josephho's comments really did seem out of line (and again, I'm no UF fan).

Greg

Paul.R.Lindqvist
Paul.R.Lindqvist Veteran Member • Posts: 4,536
Re: perhaps but

edwardneal wrote:

josephho - basically is assuming that U.F. is a rank beginner and
warns him about responsibility as a wedding photographer.

It is very clear that joesphho has no clue about U.F.'s experience.
so I suggested he should have looked before he spoke

This is all I have commented on here in this post

Presenting a oof to pontential client dosent exactly ring experience.

So to expect everyone to know the "gang" is probebly a little to much of self flattering.

It was honest advice, based on the original post. nothing more nothing less.

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Paul L.

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