Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

Started Mar 11, 2007 | Discussions
dh steffi Senior Member • Posts: 1,087
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

There you go, only negative words. Bless you.
--
Windmills, just do it.

Chato
Chato Forum Pro • Posts: 46,792
Tell us dhSteffi - Do you own a camera?

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I've looked at your posts and for the life of me can't find one post that deals with a strictly photographic question.

How many boards do you post on with this rather fanatical biblical interpretation?

Dave

OP IvaBigin Regular Member • Posts: 180
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

justahack wrote:

IvaBigin wrote:

justahack wrote:

Good grief.

I'm an Australian, and a photographer.

I hardly think the intent here is to throw folks taking pictures of
the surf, ocean, beach, public beach activities

Unfortunately this already happening and this is while it is still
perfectly legal to photograph!!

Oh yeah? Give me the name and arrest docket number for anyone who
has actually been arrested in Australia for taking pictures of the
surf, ocean, beach, or public beach activities... This stuff is all
public record you know and it's not even a FOI issue to get it.

Of course there is no arrest dockets... that's because it is NOT illegal ! This does not mean that people are not getting removed from beaches for talking photographs.

I myself have spent time looking across a police table at cops threatening me with all sorts of rubbish, because I was taking photos along Surfers beach (of buildings mind you!). This situation ended only because I have the balls to stand up for my rights and walk out.

Another member of http://www.potd.com.au was recently confronted by police for taking pics up around Caloundra way (info on this in freely available at the site). Again there is no arrest docket, but the police actions made it clear to him that his removal from the beach pretty much had to be accepted, as the only other option would have been a "scene".

Then there is the whole non-police side of things where you have private security guards over stepping their authority and stopping "legal" photography.... not to mention the public approaches with threats of physical violence and their quick assumptions that "anyone with a camera is a pervert, so let's call the police?"

If you haven't been effected by any of these things then that is great!! ...there is hope for us yet. But it IS going on and it IS effecting many of us.

OP IvaBigin Regular Member • Posts: 180
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

dh steffi wrote:

There you go, only negative words. Bless you.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I couldn't help it, I am evil remember.

....and BTW, calling everyone "evil" is a positive thing is it?

Kluso Senior Member • Posts: 1,904
Can't trust posting history

Chato wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I've looked at your posts and for the life of me can't find one
post that deals with a strictly photographic question.

You cannot trust posting history on DPR, look at my posting history, it does NOT show that I have been posting here since 2002 and own many cameras either.

Caused by glitchy DPR software that occasionally chucks a wobbly.

How many boards do you post on with this rather fanatical biblical
interpretation?

Dave

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Inspector Kluso

Atheon Contributing Member • Posts: 630
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

IvaBigin wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

There you go, only negative words. Bless you.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I couldn't help it, I am evil remember.

....and BTW, calling everyone "evil" is a positive thing is it?

IvaBigin, we are all evil; we all fall short at the glory of God! Can't you see how these laws will fix everything?

lanef Forum Pro • Posts: 10,317
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

Strong? I would rather say: Scare mongering liars, masters of deception.

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

roger tcb Forum Member • Posts: 90
Re: Can't trust posting history

Kluso wrote:

Chato wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I've looked at your posts and for the life of me can't find one
post that deals with a strictly photographic question.

You cannot trust posting history on DPR, look at my posting
history, it does NOT show that I have been posting here since 2002
and own many cameras either.

Caused by glitchy DPR software that occasionally chucks a wobbly.

How many boards do you post on with this rather fanatical biblical
interpretation?

Dave

Zut Alors, are you the fameurse Inspecteur?

Kluso, this is a seriurse matteur that needs investigation. Read ze peursts. Zere are manair manair delusionistes ere, some of zem vair suspicious and I sink many of zem do not even own ze cameras.
Roger the cabin boy.

Kluso Senior Member • Posts: 1,904
Re: Can't trust posting history

roger tcb wrote:

Kluso wrote:

Chato wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I've looked at your posts and for the life of me can't find one
post that deals with a strictly photographic question.

You cannot trust posting history on DPR, look at my posting
history, it does NOT show that I have been posting here since 2002
and own many cameras either.

Caused by glitchy DPR software that occasionally chucks a wobbly.

How many boards do you post on with this rather fanatical biblical
interpretation?

Dave

Zut Alors, are you the fameurse Inspecteur?

Kluso, this is a seriurse matteur that needs investigation. Read ze
peursts. Zere are manair manair delusionistes ere, some of zem vair
suspicious and I sink many of zem do not even own ze cameras.
Roger the cabin boy.

Me thinks you are correct. lots of armchair photogs here devoid of camera

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Inspector Kluso

dh steffi Senior Member • Posts: 1,087
for the cross

Kluso wrote:

roger tcb wrote:

Kluso wrote:

Chato wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

Freedoms are misused and abused because people are evil by nature.
I prefer strong government over anything goes.
--
Windmills, just do it.

I've looked at your posts and for the life of me can't find one
post that deals with a strictly photographic question.

You cannot trust posting history on DPR, look at my posting
history, it does NOT show that I have been posting here since 2002
and own many cameras either.

Caused by glitchy DPR software that occasionally chucks a wobbly.

How many boards do you post on with this rather fanatical biblical
interpretation?

Dave

Zut Alors, are you the fameurse Inspecteur?

Kluso, this is a seriurse matteur that needs investigation. Read ze
peursts. Zere are manair manair delusionistes ere, some of zem vair
suspicious and I sink many of zem do not even own ze cameras.
Roger the cabin boy.

Me thinks you are correct. lots of armchair photogs here devoid of
camera

Think what you want, my camera serves the lord and no one else.
--
Windmills, just do it.

OP IvaBigin Regular Member • Posts: 180
Re: for the cross

dh steffi wrote:

Think what you want, my camera serves the lord and no one else.
--
Windmills, just do it.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Your persistent god bothering is sooooooooooooooooooooo boring!

dh steffi Senior Member • Posts: 1,087
Re: for the cross

I feel sorry for you, not being in touch with that what matters.
--
Windmills, just do it.

OP IvaBigin Regular Member • Posts: 180
Re: for the cross

dh steffi wrote:

I feel sorry for you, not being in touch with that what matters.
--
Windmills, just do it.

Don't feel sorry for me, I'm not the one that feels compelled to peddle some religious rant on those who are obviously not interested, just so I can fill some needy void within me. I am happy and secure in myself and regardless of my views don't see the need to throw them in people's faces in off-topic comments.

Have a good look at yourself and you will see that you are probably socially inept and have a limited circle of friends around you, because only people with the same pathetic needs as you would be able to put up with your twattle!

Ah yes, but you will all get together and feel sorry for me and people like me and probably offer some prayer for us all and if that gets your rocks off so be it.... but that is where it should stay!

How about you let us know your favourite forum and I come over there and prattle on with off-topic atheist views to you guys. I am quite sure that you will love that!

Atheon Contributing Member • Posts: 630
Re: for the cross

IvaBigin wrote:

dh steffi wrote:

I feel sorry for you, not being in touch with that what matters.
--
Windmills, just do it.

Don't feel sorry for me, I'm not the one that feels compelled to
peddle some religious rant on those who are obviously not
interested, just so I can fill some needy void within me. I am
happy and secure in myself and regardless of my views don't see the
need to throw them in people's faces in off-topic comments.

Have a good look at yourself and you will see that you are probably
socially inept and have a limited circle of friends around you,
because only people with the same pathetic needs as you would be
able to put up with your twattle!

Ah yes, but you will all get together and feel sorry for me and
people like me and probably offer some prayer for us all and if
that gets your rocks off so be it.... but that is where it should
stay!

How about you let us know your favourite forum and I come over
there and prattle on with off-topic atheist views to you guys. I
am quite sure that you will love that!

dh steffi, have a good look at the previous post. It speaks more truth than your invisible friend in the sky!

Chato
Chato Forum Pro • Posts: 46,792
And Jesus said

Atheon wrote:

dh steffi, have a good look at the previous post. It speaks more
truth than your invisible friend in the sky!

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Your camera may serve the Lord, but its clear that you don't.

Anyone who defines a "Liberal" as being someone who didn't pick up after their dog, is serving the devil and not the Lord...

Your a fanatic, and not even a fanatic Christian.

Dave

marcuson Senior Member • Posts: 1,014
Re: Freedom of the press?....

lanef wrote:

The US system is better; a president can’t be in power more than twice.

Doesn't matter. Both parties serve their corporate masters and other powerful interests so it's a moot point.

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The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.

  • H.L. Mencken

marcuson Senior Member • Posts: 1,014
Re: Freedom of the press?....

justahack wrote:

The President suspended habeous corpus after 9/11... It's called the
(un-)Patriot Act.

Those who exploit such tragedies are far worse than any "terrorist".

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The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.

  • H.L. Mencken

scooter9999 Senior Member • Posts: 1,328
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

Done with pleasure

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kjhein New Member • Posts: 7
Re: Petition for Photographer's rights! (Australia)

For those who took time to read and sign, thanks. As the photographer escorted from the beach by the police, let me clear up some of the misinformation that seems to arise when this topic is discussed. First, it is perfectly legal to photograph at the beach, no question as it is a public place. Those that have tried to prevent this one way or another over time like councils have failed.

However, there are circumstances where photographing will lead to legal action which as you might expect surround privacy, places where there is an expectation of privacy like changerooms, toilets etc., and essentially cover the "upskirting" issue. No problem there.

Where the issue arises is where uninformed persons declare that photography on the beach is illegal and approach someone taking a photo and these may be members of the public, officials of the Surf Lifesaving Clubs or other persons. I have been told directly by someone who should know better that you can be removed from the beach for having a camera so it is not rhetorical information. Of course they are wrong, however the misinformation exists and is causing problems.

In the instance of the Surf Lifesaving Association, they are very protective of their youth members having in the past found pedophiles in their midst and having pictures of youth members taken at a carnival turn up on a questionable web site. To counter this they have framed guidelines to ensure club photographers have a blue card (screened and approved to work with children) however anyone can still take a picture at a carnival from a public place.

Now if the SLC receive a complaint from a member of the public that they feel "uncomfortable" about seeing a photographer on the beach the SLC will investigate (how they do this has never been explained) and if warranted (also unexplained), call the police who are bound to investigate.

In my case, I was standing in plain view under a tree on a walkway near the beach with a long lens photographing surfers at one end of the beach while there were nippers at the other end of the beach. Police appear at my shoulder and because my id is in the car, I have to leave the beach with them. They check out my camera and the pictures on it, I let them check out the car, they take details, this is the nature of their job. Not happy but it was all handled professionally and courteously. I am advised "with suggestion" that it would be best if I don't go back with the camera.

In trying to find out what happened from the SLC, the story changed a few times as to how and why the police were called but make no mistake, the SLC will call the police if they wish and there is not much you can do about it. They are unaccountable in this regard.

Now the SLC has made an application to the Attorney's General in respect to privacy issues as have a number of other organisation both for and against. The intent of the Petition is to provide a show of numbers to organisations who propose that cameras should be banned at places like the beach. Some folks have approached their local MP citing the support shown in the petition as evidence that concern exists in the community about the direction the AG review of privacy issues may go if not properly considered.

So sign the petition and share with your friends and colleagues if you are concerned or don't if you are not. Write a letter to your MP and express concern if you feel strongly about this. And if you are photographing at the beach as I was make sure you approach the patrol captain and introduce yourself. It may save an unexpected visit from the police.

kjhein New Member • Posts: 7
Re: Freedom of the press?....

IvaBigin wrote:

Australia's press freedoms lag

March 15, 2007 04:00am
Article from: AAP

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21385591-5005961,00.html

snip

Mr Beeby also warned media companies to be wary of a trend among
sporting bodies to sell exclusive web and mobile phone rights to
sponsors.

"Some sports are also selling official photographic rights with the
apparent intent of eventually excluding newspaper photographers
from games, so that only approved pictures will be issued for
publication," he said.

"It is a problem that newspaper companies will have to monitor
closely as the football season gets under way."

This is a separate and unrelated issue. Press and professional togs require accreditation and permits in many instances to operate in the first instance. That the government seeks to limit the way they work should be a concern but it doesn't belong in this thread.

Likewise the sale of media rights. Perfectly legit and the discussion doesn't belong here.

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