New Canon interview on model replacing

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greentoe Veteran Member • Posts: 4,490
New Canon interview on model replacing

... from Vegas:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/other/2007/03/11/5793.html

The topic the dominated was model replacement, specifically the move to the 1DMkIII from the MkII, but also touching briefly on the 1Ds line, and the Rebel and 30D.

As for the 1 series there is a short blurb about not wanting to multiply various models (i.e., increase to even more variations than the 2 that now exist.) Stated is that it would be ideal to have only a single (pro) body cover all needs, in order to keep development costs down, but that it isn't possible to cover all the bases (such as the requirement for the studio) that way.

Also a discussion on design to price (wrt the amatuer and high amateur) goal that exists for the lower cost models.

-gt

brianric Veteran Member • Posts: 8,949
Re: New Canon interview on model replacing

That link may be good for you, but I need one in English.

greentoe wrote:

... from Vegas:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/other/2007/03/11/5793.html

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EOSMan Veteran Member • Posts: 7,417
Just my thoughts...

モデルチェンジという話が出ました久性など単体製品の質だけでなくおっしゃるように、設計自由度は大きく向上していますから、増やそうと思えばバリエーションを増やすことは可能です。しかし、それでは開発リソースが分散しますから、1台ですべてをカバーできるのが理想です。残念ながら、スタジオ向けに関してはEOS-1Dシリーズだけではカバーできず別モデルとしていますが、モデル数を増やすのは理想ではありません」。カメラは趣味のための製品ですから、ひとそれぞれ、いろいろなニーズがあり、1機種だけでは全員を満足させることができないというのは、その通りだと思います。市場のボリュームがある程度以上になれば、増やす必要はあるでしょう。増やす方向が(ユーザーピラミッドの中の)上下なのか、それとも左右なのかはいろいろな意見があるでしょうが、“増やす”ということに関して、異論はありません」。

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Dave Chrismer Contributing Member • Posts: 684
I agree

Even reading the BabelFish translation, the text is hard to follow, but seems to reconfirm their 1-1/2 year product cycle and even though Canon would like to have only one 1-series camera, they don't believe that is possible yet. Nothing really new that I could get out of it.

Phoenix96 Regular Member • Posts: 103
Re: I agree

If Canon is sticking to a 1 1/2 year cycle, where are the 5D Mark II and the 1Ds Mark III?
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Bernard Languillier Veteran Member • Posts: 4,672
Re: Just my thoughts...

EOSMan wrote:

モデルチェンジという話が出ました久性など単体製品の質だけでなくおっしゃるように、設計自由度は大きく向上していますから、増やそうと思えばバリエーションを増やすことは可能です。しかし、それでは開発リソースが分散しますから、1台ですべてをカバーできるのが理想です。残念ながら、スタジオ向けに関してはEOS-1Dシリーズだけではカバーできず別モデルとしていますが、モデル数を増やすのは理想ではありません」。カメラは趣味のための製品ですから、ひとそれぞれ、いろいろなニーズがあり、1機種だけでは全員を満足させることができないというのは、その通りだと思います。市場のボリュームがある程度以上になれば、増やす必要はあるでしょう。増やす方向が(ユーザーピラミッドの中の)上下なのか、それとも左右なのかはいろいろな意見があるでしょうが、“増やす”ということに関して、異論はありません」。

たしかに今現在のモデルではすべてのニーズが満足されないのは事実だと思いますが次世代ではどうかと聞かれると分からない。ニコンのd2xsのHigh ISO Noiseがちょっと高いためスポーツなどにはまだ使いにくいかもしれないですがd3xsがFFになればおそらく1台でけでなんでもできるようになる可能性が高いと思います。

カメラ会社は売り上げを優先していることも忘れない方がいいと思います。Canon様は1dIIIと1dsIII両類があった方が利益が出るというように考えていればその2台を発売することが間違えないと私は思います。。。写真家の我々のことしか考えていないとは思えないと感じています。

Bernard

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Prestidigitator Contributing Member • Posts: 584
So the JPG anger quality of photometry improvement was concentrated on the 1DMk3...

...since the degummed yarn to unify the 1-series in the 3rd-generation wasn't met because of conflicting objectives, namely, the 1D3 was for PJs & SS that need high FPS, useable very high ISO & little resolution & file size increase but with increased IQ; while the 1Ds3 needed to appeal to studio/fashion & advertising photographers who demand the highest-possible quality in an FF sensor.

With regard to the prosumer line, they are going with an "all your pixel are belong to us" strategy by concentrating on a good price/performance+features ratio "for great justice".

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OP greentoe Veteran Member • Posts: 4,490
Sorry guys; and to reiterate

Well, if I had time I would have tried more of a translation, but these days.. jikan ga arimasen. That is why I tried to summarize what I thought were two key points. To reiterate and paraphrase Canon:

The 1 series is specifications driven. A single body would be nice from a point of view of limiting developing costs, but to cater to specialists like studio photographers (I assume here they mean commercial photography and not the shopping mall portraits) require them to break out the 1 series into two bodies, though they do not want to go farther than 2 bodies.

On the other hand the lower cost bodies, intended for amateurs and high amateurs, are designed to price. If you want more functionality in these bodies (the 400D and 30D replacement is implied) then they will cost more.

When contrasted by the interviewer with Nikon with their now three amateur body (under $1000) line, Canon replies... but look at how well we spec'd the 400D for the price.

The above arguments put forth by Canon (again, they are not new) indicate to me the basic philosophy behind the EOS product differentiation has not changed. This is probably not good news for those lusting after a 1.3x crop "3D" or an 8fps, 45point AF APS-C camera.

-gt

AJ_Hynes Forum Member • Posts: 70
Hmmm. i see Canon

私は私達がキャノンについては同じ整列を見続けようと思っていることを考える。 スタジオの仕事のための1dsmkIII、PJ及びスポーツのカメラマンのための1dmkIII、および高度のアマチュアおよび専門家のための5D。

EOSMan wrote:

モデルチェンジという話が出ました久性など単体製品の質だけでなくおっしゃるように、設計自由度は大きく向上していますから、増やそうと思えばバリエーションを増やすことは可能です。しかし、それでは開発リソースが分散しますから、1台ですべてをカバーできるのが理想です。残念ながら、スタジオ向けに関してはEOS-1Dシリーズだけではカバーできず別モデルとしていますが、モデル数を増やすのは理想ではありません」。カメラは趣味のための製品ですから、ひとそれぞれ、いろいろなニーズがあり、1機種だけでは全員を満足させることができないというのは、その通りだと思います。市場のボリュームがある程度以上になれば、増やす必要はあるでしょう。増やす方向が(ユーザーピラミッドの中の)上下なのか、それとも左右なのかはいろいろな意見があるでしょうが、“増やす”ということに関して、異論はありません」。

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Re: Sorry guys; and to reiterate

greentoe wrote:

The above arguments put forth by Canon (again, they are not new)
indicate to me the basic philosophy behind the EOS product
differentiation has not changed. This is probably not good news
for those lusting after a 1.3x crop "3D" or an 8fps, 45point AF
APS-C camera.

Thanks for the info. Darn it sounds like no FF 3D either. That is the camera I would like in addition to 1D IIN.

I know that it might not be popular but looks like if we want more features we are going to have to pay for it.

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brianric Veteran Member • Posts: 8,949
Thank you. NT

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MirkoK Contributing Member • Posts: 735
Re: I agree

they will be comming!!!!

patience padavan

Phoenix96 wrote:

If Canon is sticking to a 1 1/2 year cycle, where are the 5D Mark
II and the 1Ds Mark III?
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Re: Sorry guys; and to reiterate

since when was Canon a charity ?

Given there is no competition in the FF sector, I am frankly suprised they even released the 5D.
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5D is justified, 3D is not.

That's the short version. For those who want the full-frame and high image quality in a compact package. BUT they deliver it in such a way that it doesn't canibalize too heavily the 1Dx, where the ultimate in pro-level handling resides.

In film, the media was fungible - anyone could use any film stock in any body, so the model differentiation HAD to occur at the body features level.

In digital, the media (sensor) is static once you have purchased the product, so this is another area that they can differentiate on, and get a justifiable price break. In this case, "functionally" the 30D and 5D are virtually identical, but you can get a big image quality increase, depending on how and what you shoot.

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doctor digi Senior Member • Posts: 1,450
When the time comes...

there will just be one pro body. It will be FF and have 10 FPS or higher.

This has always been on the cards in my book - they have to go with the two bodies now purely from a technology perspective, not a wholly marketing perspective.

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Re: thank You very much for sharing and translating (nt)
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Re: Hmmm. i see Canon

ある時点に将来、2つのラインが合流しなければならないであろうことは明白である。 もし多くのカメラマンが両方のカメラが提供する特徴を必要とするなら、キヤノンは2つの旗艦モデルを支持することが可能ではないであろう。 1DMKIII がキヤノンにもっと多くの利益を生むこと、そしてすべての必要を満たす一つの体でプロのカメラマンを補充しないことができるようにする妥協であることは私の意見である。
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Hellashot Veteran Member • Posts: 7,234
English version please?? (nt)

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