Nikon's PMA DSLR announcement

Started Mar 1, 2007 | Discussions
mugsisme Regular Member • Posts: 167
Re: I agreed...

Kallel00 wrote:

What most of you don't realize is that the average Joe newb that
walks into a store thinks a Rebel Xti with 10 megapixels beats a
D40 with 6 megapixels.

When I told DH I wanted the D40 and it had 6 megapixels, he told me to get the Canon, so you are 100% on with that. (I didn't listen to him.)

Leah

Fahd Contributing Member • Posts: 694
Re: I agreed...

DH?
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Jorgen E Senior Member • Posts: 1,730
Re: Same here in Sweden

PerL wrote:

jeff-c wrote:

David Chin wrote:

... any idea why Nikon is so strong there as opposed to the rest of
the world?

I'd bet the trend is same worldwide, i.e. Nikon is gaining market
share in the past few month and the main reason is the product
lineup: D40 (price sells), D80 (package sells) and D200 (feature
sells).

Nikon is now number one in the DSLR market here.

According to a net chat with a senior Nikon Nordic rep the other day, Nikon, at the moment, has a stunning 82% market share in Sweden for DSLRs priced at 10000 Swedish Crowns and up (which, just to give you an idea, roughly translates to "30D and up" and "D80 and up").

Of course, statistics of this kind always tend to be interpreted to one's own advantage, but still, 82% hardly indicates Nikon being in a dire situation...

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David Chin Forum Pro • Posts: 11,670
DH = Dear Husband (nt)

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thw Veteran Member • Posts: 8,089
Which will be announced: D40X or D3X/D3H??? /nt
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Parham Senior Member • Posts: 2,135
Re: How about a D50x then?

I didn't. I found that lingering somewhere on the web, thought why not.

Fahd wrote:

Nice, how did you do that?
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thomas2279 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,876
Re: Ya' know what would be neat?

Good idea for an VR / IS / and AF in motor adaptor to be made but I don't think Nikon / Canon would make one as it would prevent punters from upgrading to more expensive VR/IS Glass
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tom1468 Senior Member • Posts: 1,537
Re: Ya' know what would be neat?

that would be nice, maybe a thrid party will do it , someone like sigma or one of the others

thomas2279 wrote:

Good idea for an VR / IS / and AF in motor adaptor to be made but I
don't think Nikon / Canon would make one as it would prevent
punters from upgrading to more expensive VR/IS Glass
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BG5700 Senior Member • Posts: 1,233
Nikon did something similar with the TC-16A

Which added AF to non-AF lenses to some extent. It would take a bit of wind out of the sails of the Sony in body VR pitch.
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tom1468 Senior Member • Posts: 1,537
sales ??

since everyone is quoting sales figures, I am curious if anyone knows the percentage of people who own dslr's and how much, percentage wise, has that changed since the film days
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Darrell Turner
Darrell Turner Contributing Member • Posts: 588
Re: Nikon's PMA DSLR announcement

Andrbar, I haven't said so before, but I'm betting Nikon expands the AF-S line as the most logical direction for the brand. If they choose not to then that will underscore their positioning of the D40 as purely entry level. Not a biggie for me since I'm already planning on a 2nd body. I agree that a motorized D40 would put it up against the D80 (my current favorite). I plan to pick up another lens or two as soon as the family leaves my budget alone for a month or two :-). I'm leaning towards the 55-200 as I've been in some situations where I miss that range. I'd also like to try the 30mm Sigma. I had a situation where I was doing some indoor shooting with low light recently, but did not miss the AS. I was mindful to steady the camera and the responsiveness of the D40's auto focus in low light vs the A2 more than made up for the inconvenience.

I've been having too much fun with the D40 to do a formal comparison to the A2 (which I've held onto). I'm extremely pleased with both the reduced noise and the ease at capturing a good exposure. I was a 100% RAW shooter before, which meant lots of post processing.

Here's an example. Not particularly good but I was shooting like mad.

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(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 1,807
Nikon's PMA DSLR announcement --- bah, humbug!

jeff-c wrote:

Sixsigma wrote:

Come on! How could Lao Niu be so sure about the reliability of such
"source"? If true, how come Nikon camera developers were so stupid
in bring out a D40 in such a rush? How many D40 kits have been
sold and how much profit has come to Nikon before the announcement
of "D40x"?

Sources, not source, okay?

As far as reasoning you will need to ask Nikon. My speculation
would be Nikon wanted to catch the Christmas shopping season and
either the 10mp version is not ready or they have supply issue with
Sony for the 10mp chip, or Nikon has bought too many 6mp chips.

Anyway, just wait for a few days we will find out. I am just a
messenger.

Precisely! since it is just a few days, why did you bother bringing it up? Reminds me of TV plugs "you heard it first on FGHJ TV".

Against my better judgement, I waste time on this type of forum, speculative forums.

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ecube

(unknown member) Senior Member • Posts: 1,807
Excellent analysis!

Tom,

I am pleasantly surprised that you are an excellent analyst as you are a photographer par excellence.

Thom Hogan wrote:

jeff-c wrote:

What confuses me, and probably even Nikon themselves is why the
small size and low price D50 didn't sell well whereas the D40
becomes an instant sales champion 18 months later. It's even a
lower spec'ed model than the D50 it replaces.

I'm not confused. It's called marketing. Marketing has both
intentional and accidentally aspects to it. Nikon tends to get the
intentional stuff completely wrong, but sometimes benefits from the
accidental.
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ecube

RAL Veteran Member • Posts: 6,377
The more I think about it - I can see it happening

Keep the D40 with 6 mp, offer D40x with 10 mp, next up is D80, then D200, etc. A possible cover the bases lineup as far as Nikon would be concerned. Not necessarily what most on this forum would want, but what do we know?

Thom Hogan Forum Pro • Posts: 13,659
Re: Excellent analysis!

ecube wrote:

I am pleasantly surprised that you are an excellent analyst as you
are a photographer par excellence.

Actually, photography and analytical skills go together. Photography is about observation. Analysis requires observation. Great photography is about communicating what you observed, after making hundreds of finite decisions about how to capture what you observed. Great analysis is about communicating what you observed.

Funny how things intersect sometimes. I just answered someone's email question, which was "Can you send me your settings for shooting sports?" No, I can't. I MIGHT be able to tell you some of the things you need to consider when shooting sports (such as make sure that you understand the difference between release priority and focus priority and consider which is the right one for the sport you're shooting), but the reason we all buy SLR/DSLR bodies in the first place is so that we can make appropriate choices for what we observe and want to communicate.

In my experience, the great photographers have been great analytical minds, as well. Indeed, Galen used to be able to speak intelligently about just about any subject that came up because he was like a sponge for information and good at analyzing it. Ansel Adams didn't invent the Zone System by chance. HCB's photos were spot-on analysis of the "perfect moment" to capture and embody a street scene.

And another angle: I also answered YAWDYSC (Yet Another Why Don't You Shoot Canon) question. Well, because I've analyzed how I shoot and what I shoot and compared the two systems pixel by pixel, button by button, lens by lens. For what I like to do, the only Canon that's remotely tempting is the 1DsII, and that simply for extra pixels. But by analyzing and understanding my D2xs, I simply adopted a different shooting technique and now get more DR and more pixels than I'd get by switching to a 1DsII (yes, I know that will trigger some response; to peempt that: simple answer, 3x2 panos at five exposures run through Autopano Pro). But if I were to go back to shooting basketball and indoor sports, I think I'd be shooting that with a Canon.

Analysis (not the Freudian kind) is our friend... ; )

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Osku Veteran Member • Posts: 3,985
Re: Excellent analysis!

Thom Hogan wrote:

pixels than I'd get by switching to a 1DsII (yes, I know that will
trigger some response; to peempt that: simple answer, 3x2 panos at
five exposures run through Autopano Pro).

Ok, so how do you keep this setup leveled? I assume the leveling should be between the two rows. (I have so far used single row stitching for that reason). Do you down sample the shot at the same time to make up for the need to control those distortions? (10-20 %?)

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Sulis2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,121
Re: Excellent analysis!

Give the guy a break! You can always book onto one of his courses...

thomasctk Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: D40x - same 6MP but additional of dust cleaning feature

hi all,

I think it will be same 6MP but additional of dust cleaning feature, very 1st Nikon own dust cleaning system in its Dslr

Perry Jacobs Regular Member • Posts: 438
Re: Excellent analysis!

Thom Hogan wrote:

Actually, photography and analytical skills go together.
Photography is about observation. Analysis requires observation.
Great photography is about communicating what you observed,

I don't think most great photographs communicate only observation, if that is what you meant to imply. I think reality makes a pretty boring photograph in most cases. Galen's work is a great example of non-reality photography. I guess my point is analytical skills only get you so far, namely technically competent photographs. Synthesis is a very different thing compared to analysis. Great photography requires synthesis, (most of the time, not always) - just my opinion.

Perry

BG5700 Senior Member • Posts: 1,233
OK, so - what's your favorite f-stop?

Somebody actually asked me that once.
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