10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

Started Feb 17, 2007 | Discussions
T3 Forum Pro • Posts: 21,546
Re: Pretty lame update if that's it.

thx1138 wrote:

tsiphoto wrote:

it's coming....

Wow after 3 years we get 2MP and 2fps; I'm excited, NOT.

Did he say those are the ONLY improvements? Of course not. It's a little pre-mature to write this new model off, don't you think? Besides, would you really be happier if it had 3mp more (and probably more noise) and 3fps more? I think 10mp and 10fps is plenty for the sports/pj/general pro at which this camera will be targeted. Besides, there isn't a DSLR camera on the market that can do 10fps. And furthermore, Nikon's "sports" cameras only offer 4mp (D2Hs) and 6.8mp (D2Xs in HSC mode). If this model is real, it will offer 10mp at 10fps, which has never been offered before in any model, and may be the only model on the market which offers such a spec. It seems like you just want more for more's sake, without any practical or contextual considerations about what those specs really mean when compared to the rest of the market.

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James L Wilson Senior Member • Posts: 1,556
Good Summary of Canon 1D3 features !!

thx1138 wrote:

tsiphoto wrote:

no video

Oh cool, now it's even less exciting!

The features below are a wonderful upgrade feature sets for a Mark-III

Except the Weight, is not of any real concern, however trimming the size a bit would be a benefit.

AND, if yor going for the gold, let make that 3" screen OLED rather than LCD.

Really would like/need incamera GPS support, perhaps using one of the two data card slots. Law enforcement, photojournalism, and insurance industry need GPS, and the incamera ability to insert the GPS data directly into the headder of the JPEG file.

Would rather have TWO CF slots rather than having one CF and one SD, If SD is needed plug in one or two CF-to-SC adaptors for $40/each.

Needs to be 12MP, 3" LCD, ISO 25-6400, Li Ion, new 27pt AF, builtin
wireless flash trigger, support for class 6 cards, big buffer, 850g
sans grip, 1150g with grip, new matrix metering system, finer spot
meter, superior WB (external sensor again), grid in VF.

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Dave Chrismer Contributing Member • Posts: 684
27pt AF is an upgrade? NT
n/t
James L Wilson Senior Member • Posts: 1,556
What would Motivate me to trade-up from 1Dmk2N, howabout you ??

For me to upgrade to a 1D3 what minimum level of improvements would motivate me to so:

A. ISO useable at 6400, equivalent to todays ISO 800 would do it.
B. Change to 3" OLED screen (or 3" LCD would be acceptable)
C. Change to FF at 12MP.

Just the above 3 feature upgrades would drive me to the 1D3 for sure.
Other desired features but not demanded as yet:

D. Incamera GPS
E. Lithium Ion Battery system, long overdue
F. Trim the body height a bit.
G. 16MP

What about you ???

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T3 Forum Pro • Posts: 21,546
Re: Great chance for us

Julia Borg wrote:
and for Canon

there are serious
gaps in long VR glass and it is pricier than the Canon equivalents.

I do not feel so limited with my Nikkor 600/4 less components in
lenses like 600mm and no fluorite glass means something too.

"No fluorite glass" means something to you? It means nothing to practically everyone else. Canon has been making fluorite big teles for a long, long time, and their fluorite big teles overwhelmingly dominate the big tele world. Anyone who thinks fluorite usage in Canon's lenses is an issue (ie. "means something") is simply wasting their worry.

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Seaclam Senior Member • Posts: 1,703
I'll pass, sounds awfully boring.

Already owning a 1dMK2, a jump to 10 mp's would be a waste of time and money. A lot of people are looking for a 1 series build quality with 12-16 mp's that is full frame. If the top end is now going to be 22mp, then that leaves a LOT of room. The 1dMK2 is a FINE camera in every right, but I didn't buy it for the speed at all, rather for the IQ and build quality. I only hope Canon realizes that there is a market segment out there that, although can't afford the suppossed 22mp beast, but could afford a 1d build quality camera of 12-16mp's. I know the 3D has been thrown around a lot, but obviously a camera like that would sell very well I think as it would be the "happy medium" for many.

I have a love affair with light.

Lee Jay Forum Pro • Posts: 56,673
Re: What would Motivate me to trade-up from 1Dmk2N, howabout you ??

James L Wilson wrote:

For me to upgrade to a 1D3 what minimum level of improvements would
motivate me to so:

A. ISO useable at 6400, equivalent to todays ISO 800 would do it.

This one is basically impossible as it would require quantum efficiencies greater than 100%.

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Julia Borg Veteran Member • Posts: 7,280
Re: Great chance for us

Anyone who thinks
fluorite usage in Canon's lenses is an issue (ie. "means
something") is simply wasting their worry.

thank you for your expert opinion. I feel much better now

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Prestidigitator Contributing Member • Posts: 584
But is the jpg anger quality of photometry improved plentifully? ;-P
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David Mazeau Veteran Member • Posts: 4,631
Re: I'll pass, sounds awfully boring.

Seaclam wrote:

Already owning a 1dMK2, a jump to 10 mp's would be a waste of time
and money.

It just seems that you, and others, are jumping to conclusions. Assuming
it's true, we still only know the MP number, but it could be more
than that.

For plenty of people 10mp is enough. The improvements they want
are not just more pixels ... maybe Canon has done something like
that this time.

For myself, I am interested in knowing more. Rather than just using
one number to be the only thing that counts.

Peter Carmichael Contributing Member • Posts: 727
Re: What would Motivate me to trade-up from 1Dmk2N, howabout you ??

ljfinger wrote:

James L Wilson wrote:

A. ISO useable at 6400, equivalent to todays ISO 800 would do it.

This one is basically impossible as it would require quantum
efficiencies greater than 100%.

Seconded. You'd need a universe operating with different laws of physics for that to work.

If this rumour is true, it falls in line with my view of a top tier of specialist cameras from Canon.

The 1D will be the specialist high speed sports shooter. It will stay at relatively modest MP count in order to keep its noise under control. The only place to move from this supposed 1DmkIII is to go to a larger sensor, full frame being the next logical step.

The 1Ds will get a hike in megapixel count, but will be a studio specialist because of it. The lighting (or support) will have to be exceptional to make use of the resolution and it won't have appreciable high ISO capability. For high megapixel landscape work, larger formats will still have an edge.

The 5D will be the specialist shoot anywhere/available light camera. The smaller format will keep it a firm favourite with photojournalists.

For the studio pro, the choice is easy. For the pro sports shooter the choice is easy (birder too). For the photo journalist, the choice is easy.

Considering the next in the 30D line can only make a splash on the market with a 10MP sensor, I'd been hoping it would be a 10MP 1.3 crop. It would need to be for it to be a credible backup to any of the exceptional cameras we're all hoping to see announced soon.

Charlie Liu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

me a 10D user still waiting for a real upgrade

Lee Jay Forum Pro • Posts: 56,673
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

Charlie Liu wrote:

me a 10D user still waiting for a real upgrade

The 20D was a HUGE upgrade from the 10D. I had a 10D and now have a 20D and 5D.

ETTL II
Way faster and more precise focusing
Way faster operation in every way
1-stop better high-ISO performance
Slightly improved resolution
Joystick to select AF points and navigate reviews
Higher built-in flash
Higher frame rate

Now, the 30D wasn't much of an upgrade over the 20D and neither is the 5D except for the sensor .

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Jim F. Senior Member • Posts: 2,633
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

If we assume this is correct, which I certainly hope not. I realize there are no specs here, but going by the base info this has got to be about as big of a snoozer release as the 30d and the 400d were.

A 2MP and 1.5 FPS increase with no significant sensor upgrade for better color fidelity, DR, and ISO ability will cause the 1DII market to remain hot for quite awhile, especially if Canon is upping the price again for the new release.

The 1.3 (1.25x) crop is another "so what" in my view, but I know some people like it. I'd much prefer that canon be able to process FF at 10 FPS, then we're really talking about some speed that will make a difference in all cameras down the line.

Again, this is assuming that this little bit of information is true. If there aren't significant changes to the sensor performance, it doesn't bode well for the 1Ds upgrade. A 22MP camera with the same everything else will cause many to run to the nearest store and buy a 1DsMk2. We don't have long (3 weeks) until the real news is known, whether good or bad.

Charlie Liu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

I agree,

nontheless, the post processing of the pictures with software. is pretty fast for me, I do not mind.

20D, 30D, and 5D. all my friends are using them, I play around with them, but I still could not justify.
I would like to have the 1D's feature which one can upload the curve info..
and all that extra stuff with a may be reasonable price lets say $3000 or less.

may be I am dreaming.. lol

Charlie Liu Contributing Member • Posts: 560
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

I hope they make the body smaller...
just hope

kurth Senior Member • Posts: 1,468
great news !!

I get to keep my money ! Digic lll seems also to be a yawn everywhere else it's appeared - why think it will perform miracles here ? Maybe Canons' reached the end of it's dslr line and every upgrade now will be a yawning experience . I think , personally , I'll throw the bucks into a nik d80 and give that experience a try. $4500 for this camera appears to be a market miscalculation and marklls' will be hotter than ever.

David Mazeau Veteran Member • Posts: 4,631
2007: Chuck Westfall "the year of DR" ??

Dave Martin had this comment, a long while back:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=19670105

I would certainly wait a bit before being sure it's just 2MP more, and
nothing else.

Hellashot Veteran Member • Posts: 7,234
announcement probably this week.

Jim F. wrote:

We don't have long (3 weeks) until
the real news is known, whether good or bad.

Announcement will likely be this week. The rebates end by early this week.

T3 Forum Pro • Posts: 21,546
Re: 10mp 10fps 1.3 crop

Jim F. wrote:

If we assume this is correct, which I certainly hope not. I realize
there are no specs here, but going by the base info this has got to
be about as big of a snoozer release as the 30d and the 400d were.

A 2MP and 1.5 FPS increase with no significant sensor upgrade for
better color fidelity, DR, and ISO ability will cause the 1DII
market to remain hot for quite awhile, especially if Canon is
upping the price again for the new release.

I think we are a bit spoiled into wishing that specs are going to make huge leaps with every new update. People are complaining that the resolution is "only" going up to 10mp, but are people really expecting a 13mp high speed sports/pj camera? Anyone who's ever shot 13mp RAW files knows that they are huge, and not conducive to very high shooting volumes that are typical of the 1D MKIIN target user. 10mp at 10fps is PLENTY. Are there really that many 10mp 10fps cameras out there that it makes this proposed camera "boring"? Keep in mind that the D2Hs only does 4mp at 8fps, and the D2X only does 6.8mp at 8fps (in HSC mode). 10mp at 10fps blows both of those cameras out of the water. For that very RARE breed that needs 13mp at 13fps, sorry but you'll have to dream on. For the rest of us, 10mp at 10fps is dandy. As for "better color fidelity, DR, ISO ability", your assumptions that those factors aren't any better are a bit premature. Besides, I think there's a better chance that those things will be better on a 10mp sensor than having 13mp (or more) crammed onto the same sensor area. Basically, people like yourself are expecting a 13mp+ sensor, with a 10fps+ frame rate, on a FF (or 1.6X) sensor, with amazingly better high ISO, better, DR, etc, which is great to dream about, but I think a 10mp 10fps 1.3x camera with modest improvements in sensor performance at a modest price (for a 1D MKII successor) is simply...more reastic. And for those who don't think it's enough of an improvement can just keep shooting with their existing 1D MKIIN's.

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