Efillink.com CIS

Started Jan 29, 2007 | Discussions
Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
Which IJF inkset are you using?

Are you using pigment or dye?

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Drayken Senior Member • Posts: 1,001
Re: Which IJF inkset are you using?

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Are you using pigment or dye?

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Me? I am using pigment.

Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
The big question

Would you hesitate to install this system on your R1800? Are you going to any time soon?

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Drayken Senior Member • Posts: 1,001
Re: The big question

I just might, since I plan to compare the IJF and the MIS inks. As to using it all the time on my r1800? I need to do the window test first. I have yet to set CIS and OEM prints at the window, and see if the CIS inks fade. I tested against my old Canon i960, and the i960 faded within a month. I sell prints, so the fading issue is important to me. Color and quility wise, yes, I would use it on my selling prints. I have printed several prints, on both the CIS and OEM inks, and hardly anyone can tell the difference. If the window test goes well, then after I go through my box of OEM inks, I will use it on my 1800. Saving over $1,000 a year is nice.

Wayne Solum wrote:
Would you hesitate to install this system on your R1800? Are you
going to any time soon?

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Wayne Solum wrote:

Are you using pigment or dye?

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Drayken Senior Member • Posts: 1,001
custom profiles

Remember, I make my own profiles also. I really think if someone wants good, color matching prints, they need custom profiles, even more so with a CIS system. Within the first month of using the CIS, would pay for the profiles anyways.

Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
I have a PULSE DTP20

I'm printing a target right now for my matte heavyweight.

Drayken wrote:

Remember, I make my own profiles also. I really think if someone
wants good, color matching prints, they need custom profiles, even
more so with a CIS system. Within the first month of using the CIS,
would pay for the profiles anyways.

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Zone8 Forum Pro • Posts: 17,166
Reply to wwoldert post

Thanks for your comment BUT I have absolutely NO connection with Kyson USA other than as a more than satisfied customer. If you had bothered to check my profile you would see that I am a very experienced photographer/teacher who actually setup the first independent photographic tuition centre in the UK back in 1972.

I can understand that you might think some are posting under the guise of being independent BUT I have installed and used MIS inks on two Epsons and can state that my Epson 1200, working perfectly before with dye inks from PrintRite (only reason for changing was removal of the PrintRite cartridges due legal pressure from Epson over a five year battle, which you can read about if you wish) so I was worried I could not get cartridges with good stable inks, hence wish to change to a CIS and decided to go with the pigmented inks from MIS; this 1200 has totally clogged (I even had the unit replaced by MIS due excessive ink emissions causing large splodges of ink on the print which could not cure despite folling several directions from MIS) and is now no longer usable.

The 1160 has MIS Quadtone pigmented inks. I am just about able to keep this running for B+W because I only use the black ink. However, the other three greys just clog and clog. I can use cleaning cartridges, running several cleans, then leaving printer for a couple of days for the cleaning fluid to full clear, then replace the CIS and get it all working, only for two of the nozzles to clog again overnight!

I took a chance (as was about to sell the Canon i9950 due its 2 pl nozzles, which MIS said unsuitable - "only the later Pixmas with their 3 pl nozzles could have MIS pigmented inks") and bought the Kyson CIS with pigmented inksets for the i9950. Considering my 6 abnd 9 picoliter nozzles in the Epsons had clogged, I certainly would not like to use MIS pigmented inks in the 3 pl Canons.

Because I was so pleased with the Kyson unit and inks, I posted my message. Unfortunately, especially in this Forum, it would appear no one (well hardly anyone) bothers to read posts before starting a new thread - hence lots of posts on the same topic. I found myself posting copies originally, then just a message to read my postings from my Profile. That would have been unneccesary had people here checked before posting.

So, I am not someone who has any financial incentives to post favourable messzages about Kyson. I thought I was posting to help others find an excellent system, with excellent inks at a fair price.

I hope you will have the courtesy to post a reply withdrawing your allegations. Thanks in anticipation.

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Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
Zone8

How does the quality of your system compare to the one you said you bought from Hong Kong? I ask because the picture on the Kyson website is practically identical to a cheapo system for sale on Ebay that a user reported here http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=21889380 that clogged his heads.

Kyson: http://www.kyson.yangportal.com/Epson%20R1800%20K.htm

Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Continuous-Ink-Refill-System-CIS-For-Epson-2200-Printer_W0QQitemZ270087092863QQihZ017QQcategoryZ51310QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I had a Kyson on order but when I saw that (and the poor quality of the Kyson website) I got skeered.

I appreciate your help and I'm sure you can appreciate how one would want to be very cautious with an expensive peice of equipment. Wish I knew someone in the Round Rock TX area who had one installed.

Wayne

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Zone8 Forum Pro • Posts: 17,166
Re: Zone8

The unit I originally purchased from David Chan in Hong Kong was an empty system, which I filled with pigmented inks from MIS (Quadtone for B+W). It is the same as that shown on eBay.

The MIS units (CFS they call them) was complete with pigmebnted inks for the 1200 Epson and use plastic bottles with holes in the lids through which to poke the feed tubes. They also have a small ho,.le to provide ventilation.

Although the Kyson (as do most) look similar, the actual construction of both cartridges and, more importantly in this case, the storage/supply units (including how they attach to each other) are different - mainly in quality of materials used. The cheaper ones from Hong Kong have problems with cementing between base units and upper parts in that on mine - and a colleagues - the joint failed fairly soon after installation.

The Kyson ones are far better constructed and of different materials. The cartridges are also better made too, although I suspect these are probably mainly from just one or two manufacturers in the Far east, as are most things these days.

I am perfectly happy with mine and the inks are excellent. As said, I took a chance when I purchased mine that it would work OK in the Canon and, if you like, it proved to be OK in all respects. My general feeling is that many claims are made to enhance the price quoted. I have inspected many CIS units at the compuiter fairs in the UK, especially when they flooded the market.

I could at this time mention that a colleague in the UK bought one of the cheaper eBay units and said he has been more thn pleased with the results - and I respect him as a good photographer - so perhaps he has been lucky as no leaks or problems over the past 6 months since installing his unit.

I can only report as a user who has tried, to date, 3 separate systems - and the MIS CFS complete for the 1200 was an expensive error. I now have an Epson 1200 Photo printer that is totally clogged, an unused (well - how can I use it?) MIS CFS system that with an extra 100ml of each inks sits useless in the cupboard.

Hope those comments help.
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Nounours18200 New Member • Posts: 10
Re: Efillink.com CIS

I have been using the Efillink CIS for months, and it is clearly a very serious product that, IMO, makes it the winner of the CIS competition:

-it provides huge costs saving compared with the Epson cartridges, but contrarily to its competitors, it has much more advantages:

-the ink (Efillink ink from Image Specialists) is really excellent: not just a pigmented ink, but an excellent ink in terms of colour matching, bronzing, etc... The Efillink ink is as good as the Epson ink in my opinion.

-the Efillink ink does NOT clogged the printhead at all, even if you stay 2-3 weeks without printing. I have installed it without cleaning the printhead before, -so the Efillinl ink has been mixed with the Epson ink-, and no problem at all.

-the Efillink CIS is really seriously built: it is not a gadget, it can satisfy "serious" protographs having huge printout volumes: the containers inside the CIS contain a big volume of ink, so just forget the nightmare of changing the (horribly costly) Epson cartridges.

Just take care about the system setup and carrefully follow the onsite installation video and tips.

The only point that can be improved would be the glossy aspect of the printouts on the R1800 (not affecting the R2400) which is less present than with the Ultrachrome Hi-Gloss inks, but I have met some people preferring the Efillink printouts...

I will continue to use the Efillink CIS without any doubt: imo it is the best CIS system, the one that provides the best quality printouts and not only cost savings : the ink costs approximately 10 times less than the Epson ink...

Best regards,

Gary Mayo Senior Member • Posts: 2,524
Kyson CIS on R1800 Pass/Fail Report Card.
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Pass/Fail Report card-------------------------

"PASS" quality of the lines and tanks

"PASS" GLOP (a little less bold, but OK)

"PASS" ink/pigments cost

"PASS" pigment drying and waterproofing

"FAIL" print quality (profile system ordered)

"FAIL" on customer service

"FAIL" on chip sets.

-----------------------------Overall PASS/FAIL--------------------------

"PASS- very marginal" if you are mainly concerned with cost/

"FAIL" if you are mainly focused on quality of prints (without profiles)

------------------------------Report card details-----------------------------

I have mixed feelings about what I have done to my printer, It used to work perfectly, best prints I have ever seen. If you want to make a great choice for CIS systems, I am afraid this choice may not be the correct one.

I purchased to new R1800 a month ago, but grew tired of changing OEM cartridges.

I looked at every CIS system on the net and picked the Kyson system because of the large tanks (110ml) and the construction of the tanks (they look good sitting next to the printer, not silly bottles in a box), and the low cost of the pigments. I did not choose the competitor system with batteries as I did not want more electronics.

That is just about all I can say good about the system.

It is held in place (the lines) with shipping tape (I had) as the guide plastic rod did not have anything to hold it in place and it was all wobbly with the one piece of Velcro they sent.

The pre-filled lines were full of bubbles, so I needed to bleed them twice to get then out and get a good print. The test print did not print correct until a dozen cleanings and two bleeding.

The instructions for installation are very poor and non existent for the printer model I have. I used an on line video from inkfly to figure it all out. It is a real shame that I needed help from a competitors product to install this system!

The ink monitor is constantly wrong (I am not running out of ink, and no I do not want to buy more OEM ink). I do not know how to reset the chip-set. It does not work to unplug the printer while it is warming up and let sit a minute or so. It resets the one cartridge, one time, but does nothing to the other ticking time bombs soon to give incorrect error warnings of low ink/pigment, and then the meter starts falling all over again to repeat the foolish cycle.

Now the real issue. The prints look like shi%! Very heavy green cast. I have let them know this, and they say, no other person has said anything and has let it go at that. Very poor customer service.

I have ordered a Monaco Systems Pulse ColorElite, Standard Color Management System, with Optix Colorimeter, for Monitor, Scanner, Digital Camera and Printer, for Mac. & Windows, but this is not here yet, so I do not know for sure if I will be able to figure that all out (never used one before) but I am hopeful that will help and resolve the poor print quality.

The GLOP is a little less bright, but I am comfortable with it and the ink (pigment) is dry as soon as it exits the printer. Very fast drying. I like that.

They answer the phone like it is wringing into an apartment in a bad neighborhood and they are worried about creditors calling. Their voice sounds like they expect you to complain about something. They sound very unsure of themselves. I would not suggest calling them for anything.

Am I happy? No not really, but I am still working at making it work. I will check back in somewhere in this forum to give an update review of this product after I do profiles.

If Kyson had any balls, they would contact me and make me a happy customer and help me resolve the green cast issues I am having with their product.

Gary....

Photography http://www.garymayo.com Body Arts http://www.guns2roses.com

Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
Green Cast

Gary,

Thanks for the report. I have used Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl with the profiles they provided and I would often get a green cast. The PULSE eliminated it. Printers of exact make and model (at least the ones from a generation or two ago) can print the same image differently.

Introducing third-party inks makes the variability even greater. It's entirely possible that the green cast will be eliminated by the PULSE. In the colorelite software you will be given a choice of illuminants. I've found for my purposes that D65 works well (D50 is what the software defaults to).

I assume your nozzle test patterns are good. Something you might try is a head alignment. Can't hurt and may help.

Are you clear on how to use printer profiles? Green and Mageneta casts can occur due to improper color management settings. I noticed that you're using PS version 6. I'm not certain it supports print color management.

Wayne

The driver also has a channel ink level have you tried bumping up the magenta channel in the printer driver?

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Pass/Fail Report card-------------------------

"PASS" quality of the lines and tanks

"PASS" GLOP (a little less bold, but OK)

"PASS" ink/pigments cost

"PASS" pigment drying and waterproofing

"FAIL" print quality (profile system ordered)

"FAIL" on customer service

"FAIL" on chip sets.

-----------------------------Overall
PASS/FAIL--------------------------

"PASS- very marginal" if you are mainly concerned with cost/

"FAIL" if you are mainly focused on quality of prints (without
profiles)

------------------------------Report card
details-----------------------------

I have mixed feelings about what I have done to my printer, It used
to work perfectly, best prints I have ever seen. If you want to
make a great choice for CIS systems, I am afraid this choice may
not be the correct one.

I purchased to new R1800 a month ago, but grew tired of changing
OEM cartridges.

I looked at every CIS system on the net and picked the Kyson system
because of the large tanks (110ml) and the construction of the
tanks (they look good sitting next to the printer, not silly
bottles in a box), and the low cost of the pigments. I did not
choose the competitor system with batteries as I did not want more
electronics.

That is just about all I can say good about the system.

It is held in place (the lines) with shipping tape (I had) as the
guide plastic rod did not have anything to hold it in place and it
was all wobbly with the one piece of Velcro they sent.

The pre-filled lines were full of bubbles, so I needed to bleed
them twice to get then out and get a good print. The test print
did not print correct until a dozen cleanings and two bleeding.

The instructions for installation are very poor and non existent
for the printer model I have. I used an on line video from inkfly
to figure it all out. It is a real shame that I needed help from
a competitors product to install this system!

The ink monitor is constantly wrong (I am not running out of ink,
and no I do not want to buy more OEM ink). I do not know how to
reset the chip-set. It does not work to unplug the printer while
it is warming up and let sit a minute or so. It resets the one
cartridge, one time, but does nothing to the other ticking time
bombs soon to give incorrect error warnings of low ink/pigment, and
then the meter starts falling all over again to repeat the foolish
cycle.

Now the real issue. The prints look like shi%! Very heavy green
cast. I have let them know this, and they say, no other person has
said anything and has let it go at that. Very poor customer
service.

I have ordered a Monaco Systems Pulse ColorElite, Standard Color
Management System, with Optix Colorimeter, for Monitor, Scanner,
Digital Camera and Printer, for Mac. & Windows, but this is not
here yet, so I do not know for sure if I will be able to figure
that all out (never used one before) but I am hopeful that will
help and resolve the poor print quality.

The GLOP is a little less bright, but I am comfortable with it and
the ink (pigment) is dry as soon as it exits the printer. Very
fast drying. I like that.

They answer the phone like it is wringing into an apartment in a
bad neighborhood and they are worried about creditors calling.
Their voice sounds like they expect you to complain about
something. They sound very unsure of themselves. I would not
suggest calling them for anything.

Am I happy? No not really, but I am still working at making it
work. I will check back in somewhere in this forum to give an
update review of this product after I do profiles.

If Kyson had any balls, they would contact me and make me a happy
customer and help me resolve the green cast issues I am having with
their product.

Gary....

Photography http://www.garymayo.com Body Arts http://www.guns2roses.com

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David Lingard New Member • Posts: 3
Re: CIS forum

Hi, I said I'd come back when I'd more experience of the Efillink on my R2400. I've refilled the tanks now, this was no trouble and I am turning out A3+ prints (13 x 19) now without worrying too much about ink costs.

It's all just too easy!

Using the 8 Lyson pigment inks (9 if you count the other black) this printer is really making print production a pleasure for me, but that's made up of 3 parts: printer, ink and CIS and they're all excellent in my view.

Best upgrade I ever did!

Gary Mayo Senior Member • Posts: 2,524
Re: Green Cast

Hey Wayne!

The Green cast is something I still have somewhat. I feel I may not have all the switches set properly keeping the train going down the center of the tracks.

I need to do lots more reading about what all settings might be best.

Any suggestions? I print from Qimage or the Epson program. I tried printing some from AE4 tonight, but I do not like it.

Wayne Solum wrote:

Gary,

Thanks for the report. I have used Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl
with the profiles they provided and I would often get a green cast.
The PULSE eliminated it. Printers of exact make and model (at
least the ones from a generation or two ago) can print the same
image differently.

Introducing third-party inks makes the variability even greater.
It's entirely possible that the green cast will be eliminated by
the PULSE. In the colorelite software you will be given a choice
of illuminants. I've found for my purposes that D65 works well
(D50 is what the software defaults to).

I assume your nozzle test patterns are good. Something you might
try is a head alignment. Can't hurt and may help.

Are you clear on how to use printer profiles? Green and Mageneta
casts can occur due to improper color management settings. I
noticed that you're using PS version 6. I'm not certain it
supports print color management.

Wayne

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plantphoto New Member • Posts: 1
Re: Efillink.com CIS

I have the efill ink system and use their ink.

The system works extremely well once it's set up which took me about 2 Hrs to do.I found some of the online tutorials a bit confusing but the great thing about this product is you also get some of the best customer care I have ever experienced.Help is available via skype or email plus you are kept up to date of any new updates to the system.
Great system.

Regards,

Simon Plant
Automotive Photographer ~ HDR Image Based Lighting for Cgi Rendering
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BrianCohen New Member • Posts: 6
Re: Efillink.com CIS

I second Simons comment. I have been using an efillink CIS on an Epson R1800 for about 11 months. Whenever I have any problem no matter how trivial I Skype Ronnie who is always helpful.

I previously have had two CIS systems one a cheap HK from Ebay which while very cheap was hopeless and one from Inkmizer which totally clogged the heads on my old printer.

I agree that the online tutorials are less than clear but once it is set up the product is very good.

plantphoto wrote:

I have the efill ink system and use their ink.
The system works extremely well once it's set up which took me
about 2 Hrs to do.I found some of the online tutorials a bit
confusing but the great thing about this product is you also get
some of the best customer care I have ever experienced.Help is
available via skype or email plus you are kept up to date of any
new updates to the system.
Great system.

Regards,

Simon Plant
Automotive Photographer ~ HDR Image Based Lighting for Cgi Rendering
http://www.plantphoto.com

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Wayne Solum Senior Member • Posts: 1,278
Re: Green Cast

Have you compared rendering intents? Perceptual vs Relative?

I gave you a link to InkJetArt that has good instructions on how to print both the target and how to use the profile once it's generated.

How is your monitor? I found that a small portion of the green cast can be blamed on me and the monitor since it's old and has green/magenta splotches throughout the phosphors. I notched the green channel ever so slightly where the cast was most evident (I'm talking 2 points out of 255) and it knocked it right in. It looked better both on screen and in print. I need to drop some cash on a good LCD.

Will the money syphon never end????

Gary Mayo wrote:
Hey Wayne!
The Green cast is something I still have somewhat. I feel I may
not have all the switches set properly keeping the train going down
the center of the tracks.

I need to do lots more reading about what all settings might be best.
Any suggestions? I print from Qimage or the Epson program. I
tried printing some from AE4 tonight, but I do not like it.

Wayne Solum wrote:

Gary,

Thanks for the report. I have used Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl
with the profiles they provided and I would often get a green cast.
The PULSE eliminated it. Printers of exact make and model (at
least the ones from a generation or two ago) can print the same
image differently.

Introducing third-party inks makes the variability even greater.
It's entirely possible that the green cast will be eliminated by
the PULSE. In the colorelite software you will be given a choice
of illuminants. I've found for my purposes that D65 works well
(D50 is what the software defaults to).

I assume your nozzle test patterns are good. Something you might
try is a head alignment. Can't hurt and may help.

Are you clear on how to use printer profiles? Green and Mageneta
casts can occur due to improper color management settings. I
noticed that you're using PS version 6. I'm not certain it
supports print color management.

Wayne

Anyone Seen A Really Big Brown Truck Anywhere?

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WillPaulR New Member • Posts: 8
Re: Efillink.com CIS

I have been using refillable cartridges I bought from Efillink.com. After some trail and error, I finally have them working for me without any problems. They work just fine but it still takes some time to get back up and going after a cartridge needs filling again. You can easily empty the cartridges just on a head cleans or by turning it off and on a few times. By the time you have got one of the cartridges working, one of the other cartridges would then be empty. So you refill another one and then the printer sucks more ink seating in that newly filled cartridge, then once it is going, you find one of the others nearly empty again. It loves wasting ink and of course that's how Epson makes there money. I am considering the efillink CIS and am hoping other users for this CIS system can share their experience with me. I’m not a professional, just a hobbyist who enjoys working with Photoshop. I have an Epson Stylus Photo 2200 and I really love the color it produces with their Ultrachrome inks. I use ILFORD smooth pearl paper on my good prints. Ronnie at efillink.com seems to be very helpful and is quick in replying when support is needed. I will be placing my order for the CIS soon. I’m not in a rush and want to do this right, so any feed back would be greatly appreciated.

Carl_Potvin Regular Member • Posts: 146
Re: Efillink.com CIS

I've been using the Efillink CIs with my R1800 for more than 3 weeks now. No problems so far. I'm printing much more than before knowing that I'm not wasting ink from cartridge replacement anymore. Don't know how the CIS will hold in the long run but so far so good.

Here's my early review:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=22923940

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WillPaulR New Member • Posts: 8
Re: Efillink.com CIS

Has anyone produced a good black & white print using Ultimate Pigment Inks from Efillink.com? My color prints look just as good as they did with the Epson Ultracrome inks. On the other hand my black & white prints are not really neutral and always need a little adjusting. I'm looking for suggestions for printing. What format are the best for black & white prints? (Grayscale LAB, RGB, CMYK?). Should I be using a profile for Black & White? I’m still using the refillable cartridges from Efillink but soon will be using their CIS.

Thanks
Will

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