K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

Started Jan 17, 2007 | Discussions
LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

Can the 32MZ-3 work with the K10D or should I simply part with the former?
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LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

richardday Veteran Member • Posts: 7,972
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702 adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

richardday wrote:

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702
adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only
works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then
the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been
waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless
support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or
Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

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Well, I have the SCA 3701.

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

richardday Veteran Member • Posts: 7,972
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

LimCam wrote:

richardday wrote:

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702
adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only
works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then
the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been
waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless
support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or
Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

Should still work okay, Jens R has the 3701 and it works fine with his Metz 40 MZ-3, he has a website discussing all of this, here is a link to the SCA 3000 series modules:
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/ist_DS_internalflash.html#SCA3000

Hope this helps
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

richardday wrote:

LimCam wrote:

richardday wrote:

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702
adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only
works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then
the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been
waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless
support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or
Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

Should still work okay, Jens R has the 3701 and it works fine with
his Metz 40 MZ-3, he has a website discussing all of this, here is
a link to the SCA 3000 series modules:
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/ist_DS_internalflash.html#SCA3000

Hope this helps
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

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Thanks.

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

richardday wrote:

LimCam wrote:

richardday wrote:

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702
adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only
works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then
the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been
waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless
support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or
Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

Should still work okay, Jens R has the 3701 and it works fine with
his Metz 40 MZ-3, he has a website discussing all of this, here is
a link to the SCA 3000 series modules:
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/ist_DS_internalflash.html#SCA3000

Hope this helps
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

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Jen

I read through your material but do not seem to find that you got the SCA 3701 working with with K10D?

Can you advise me if I should part with my Metz 32 MZ-3 and buy a P-TTL?
LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

barneycg Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it ... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures) and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from it.

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

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Tried with AV setting. Pictures showed about 4 to 5 stops over exposed.
LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

barneycg Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

Sorry re - reading what I typed it is misleading ... I meant with the Flash in A mode ... It doesn't matter what mode the camera is in.

If that doesn't work you can always use M mode (on the flash) take some practice though and can be a bit slower to do.

and if neither of those methods work for you then you have your answer ... get a new flash

Aleksander Kozak Contributing Member • Posts: 705
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

richardday wrote:

It will work well in auto 'A' mode if you use the SCA 3702
adaptor, just like my 54 MZ3.

TTL is not supported in the K10D so that will not work. It only
works on the earlier istD and DS that have TTL support. Even then
the A mode was better on my istD.

Metz say they will have a P-TTL module at some future date, been
waiting for one for 3 years now! Maybe this year?

As the Metz gun works really well in A mode, including wireless
support, I am in no rush to change to a P-TTL unit from Pentax or
Sigma.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

Probbaly this years acording to Metz
Alek

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

Sorry re - reading what I typed it is misleading ... I meant with
the Flash in A mode ... It doesn't matter what mode the camera is
in.

If that doesn't work you can always use M mode (on the flash) take
some practice though and can be a bit slower to do.

and if neither of those methods work for you then you have your
answer ... get a new flash

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As expected, it worked as a manual flash. Do I want to go back to the days when I used bulb flash guns, and then electronic flash where basically every shot was manually calculated, and then if it was outdoor with no walls - add to stops ... and in door, close to the wall, add two stops and all sorts of variables?

Since the K10D does not support TTL, I would think it can only function as a manual flash ... discharging at full power. I am hoping that some of you out there may know some thing which I don't?

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

barneycg Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

Sorry re - reading what I typed it is misleading ... I meant with
the Flash in A mode ... It doesn't matter what mode the camera is
in.

If that doesn't work you can always use M mode (on the flash) take
some practice though and can be a bit slower to do.

and if neither of those methods work for you then you have your
answer ... get a new flash

Like I said earlier did you try Auto mode on the flash ... it uses the flashes thyristor to determine when to shut of the flash so it "should" work ... though wlachan and JensR found that the 3701 shoe doesn't do Auto mode very well. If you've got the standard 301 or 3001 shoe then try that though you'll probably lose the power zoom feature.

If all this doesn't work for you then you've really answered your own question.

richardday Veteran Member • Posts: 7,972
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

Sorry re - reading what I typed it is misleading ... I meant with
the Flash in A mode ... It doesn't matter what mode the camera is
in.

If that doesn't work you can always use M mode (on the flash) take
some practice though and can be a bit slower to do.

and if neither of those methods work for you then you have your
answer ... get a new flash

There is absolutely no reason for your 32MZ-3 + SCA 3701 not to work in A mode with the K10D.

If not, I suspect there is a fault in your flash or adaptor.

Please check this by doing the following:

1. Put the flash into the Auto mode (A) on the gun.

2. Set the Camera to Av mode.

3. Check to see that the camera is communicating the aperture and ISO settings to the flashgun when you change either the aperture or the ISO on the camera. This should be displayed on the rear panel of the flashgun (as I cannot find a 32 MZ-3 manual, I cannot confirm that the rear info panel will show this, but hopefully it should).

As the metering is done by the gun and not the camera, provided the camera info is being communicated, the exposure should be reasonably accurate, provided the sensor in the flasgun is not being blocked or confused by using a diffuser like a Stofen which, due to its wide light spread, can fool the sensor. The way to prevent this is to make sure the gun + stofen is aimed at least 45 deg upwards.

I hope this assists you.
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Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

richardday wrote:

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

barneycg wrote:

I know this is a bizarre suggestion but ... if you've got both then
why not try them ... if the flash works nicely (ie you can get
pictures you are happy with) with the K10D in A mode then keep it
... You can also report back to the forum (perhaps with pictures)
and hence add to the body of knowledge rather than just taking from
it.

Sorry re - reading what I typed it is misleading ... I meant with
the Flash in A mode ... It doesn't matter what mode the camera is
in.

If that doesn't work you can always use M mode (on the flash) take
some practice though and can be a bit slower to do.

and if neither of those methods work for you then you have your
answer ... get a new flash

There is absolutely no reason for your 32MZ-3 + SCA 3701 not to
work in A mode with the K10D.

If not, I suspect there is a fault in your flash or adaptor.

Please check this by doing the following:

1. Put the flash into the Auto mode (A) on the gun.

2. Set the Camera to Av mode.

3. Check to see that the camera is communicating the aperture and
ISO settings to the flashgun when you change either the aperture or
the ISO on the camera. This should be displayed on the rear panel
of the flashgun (as I cannot find a 32 MZ-3 manual, I cannot
confirm that the rear info panel will show this, but hopefully it
should).

Unfortunately no display.

As the metering is done by the gun and not the camera, provided the
camera info is being communicated, the exposure should be
reasonably accurate, provided the sensor in the flasgun is not
being blocked or confused by using a diffuser like a Stofen which,
due to its wide light spread, can fool the sensor. The way to
prevent this is to make sure the gun + stofen is aimed at least 45
deg upwards.

I will do some test shots. I was hoping that poeple might have gone through this already and learn from them.

I hope this assists you.
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Thanks Richard

Richard Day - 'Carpe Diem!'
Gloucester UK

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LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3
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Richard

Didi some test shots. AV setting does work. Manual flash works very well.

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3
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Pretty quick! Here is the response received from Metz ...

"unfortunately, a K10D was still not checked in our R&D department to
release an official statement. But, if a K10D should be loaded with the
same electronic as a K100D we can say the following:
P-TTL of digital Pentax is still in planning with Metz and should be
introduced during this year. As long a powerful Metz flash unit like a 54
MZ-4i etc can be used in auto flash mode on a K10D as well.
In regard to having a suitable adapter SCA3702 later (if P-TTL
possible) we recommend to get in touch with our agent in your country KENNEDY.
See: http://www.metz.de/en/service_support/photo_electronics.134.html "

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

barneycg Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

LimCam wrote:

Glad Av mode works with manual flash for you but .... No no no no no !!!! ... what Richard and I have been trying to say is that there is 3 modes on your FLASH ... Manual, TTL and Auto. Try using Auto .... ON THE FLASH !!!

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

Glad Av mode works with manual flash for you but .... No no no no
no !!!! ... what Richard and I have been trying to say is that
there is 3 modes on your FLASH ... Manual, TTL and Auto. Try using
Auto .... ON THE FLASH !!!

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Yes, I understood. The Auto mode in the flash did not work.
LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3

barneycg wrote:

LimCam wrote:

Glad Av mode works with manual flash for you but .... No no no no
no !!!! ... what Richard and I have been trying to say is that
there is 3 modes on your FLASH ... Manual, TTL and Auto. Try using
Auto .... ON THE FLASH !!!

Sorry - an error here... I meant the AV setting on the camera does not work with the flash being set to Auto.

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LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

OP LimCam Contributing Member • Posts: 775
Re: K10D + Metz 32MZ-3
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More detailed response from Metz ...

QUOTE

Dear Mr. Lim,

in other words:

digital Pentax cameras are exclusively loaded with a so-called P-TTL flash control which is not supported by your 32 MZ-3. Unfortunately, true TTL usual with analogue cameras is no longer offered by a Pentax D-SLR anymore. Any up-date of this flash unit to achieve P-TTL is not possible. Adapters cannot be used to solve that problem. Therefore, your flash unit 32 MZ-3 can only be used in simple auto flash mode with manual settings. For it the camera must be set in manual mode on the same F-stop and ISO as used on flash unit (set on A mode). Unfortunately, any programmes and Tv set on camera are not possible. For a connection of them a non dedicated foot SCA301 is enough. See also "SCA adapter" & "ARCHIVE with..." on http://www.metz.de . Therefore, a 32MZ-3 together with the SCA3702 will work with either cameras as an auto flash but not P-TTL.

What sort of flash features the adapter SCA3702 makes possible with a K10D is still not said.

UNQUOTE

LimCam
Brisbane, Australia

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