Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Started Jan 14, 2007 | Discussions
jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

I knew how much better the D40 LCD panel would be compared to the D50/D70, but what really surprised me was how very much brighter and better the viewfinder on the D40 is.

kamran bajwa Regular Member • Posts: 253
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

You will need the better and brighter viewfinder IF you ever had to focus manually. I was playing with teh manual focus on the D50 and it was extrememly difficult, especially indoors, to get it just right.

I have heard a lot of people say that they can live with manual focusing with the D40, after experiencing the manual focus on the D50, the D40 BETTER be bright and clear as Heck..otherwise, good luck.
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OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

For me that is a total non-issue.

The many lenses that are currently available from Nikon that FULLY function on the D40 (including AF) covers all that interest me.

Of course more Nikon AFS/I lenses will be available as time goes on, but I and many others would be perfectly happy to own any number of the currently available and fully compatible Nikon AFS/I lense and/or fully compatable Sigm HSM lenses.

richarddd
richarddd Veteran Member • Posts: 3,299
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

A better viewfinder makes composition much easier, especially in low light.

A better LCD lets you check exposure, focus, etc. so that you can re-shoot if necessary, rather than being disappointed when you view the picture on your computer and aren't in position to take another shot.

That's worth a lot to me.

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OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

As I said, I did not expect to see such a BIG difference between the two viewfinders. The D40's viewfinder is so much better and the LCD is not only large, bright and with a much higher resolution, but it has a very wide angle of view.

richarddd wrote:

A better viewfinder makes composition much easier, especially in
low light.

A better LCD lets you check exposure, focus, etc. so that you can
re-shoot if necessary, rather than being disappointed when you view
the picture on your computer and aren't in position to take another
shot.

That's worth a lot to me.

Stujoe Veteran Member • Posts: 5,856
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

I did some manual focusing on some coin macro shots yesterday with the D50 and it wasn't that bad since the little green focus light still worked. Of course, coins don't move much and I controlled the amount of light.

But, I guess if you can afford lenses like the $400 Sigma 30mm or the $500 Nikon 70-300mm, you don't have to worry about manually focusing with the D40. It was a camera that would quickly get beyond my limited budget but it does seem to be a nice one for those that can afford it the setup.

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BigfootsMonk Regular Member • Posts: 307
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Yep, but I still think the D40 is a rip compared to the D50
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larsbc Forum Pro • Posts: 15,755
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

jimr wrote:

As I said, I did not expect to see such a BIG difference between
the two viewfinders. The D40's viewfinder is so much better and the
LCD is not only large, bright and with a much higher resolution,
but it has a very wide angle of view.

I'm quite surprised you see so much difference, too. Going from .75x (D50) magnification to the .80x of the D40 isn't much of a jump. I just went from .75x (D70) to .94x (D200) and there is a noticeable difference for sure. But .75 -> .80?

OTOH, I haven't looked thru the D40's viewfinder yet. I should give it a try at the local camera store, just to satisfy my own curiosity.

larsbc

gmosc Veteran Member • Posts: 5,950
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

You start a thread, which to me implies that you are suggesting that manual focus shouldn't be a big deal, but then you say that wasn't your reason to make the thread.
I'm sorry I got the wrong impression, too.
Your thread is not for any other reason then to say "I'm happy". That's OK.
I'm happy for you too.

Guy Moscoso

jimr wrote:

For me that is a total non-issue.
The many lenses that are currently available from Nikon that FULLY
function on the D40 (including AF) covers all that interest me.
Of course more Nikon AFS/I lenses will be available as time goes
on, but I and many others would be perfectly happy to own any
number of the currently available and fully compatible Nikon AFS/I
lense and/or fully compatable Sigm HSM lenses.

OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Guy...Here is the OP. Where did manual focusing get mentioned or alluded to?

The posting was a simple clear comment about how surprised I was at how much better the D40 viewfinder is. I did not expect it.
Manual focusing was not mentioned at all in the OP..

"I knew how much better the D40 LCD panel would be compared to the D50/D70, but what really surprised me was how very much brighter and better the viewfinder on the D40 is."

gmosc wrote:
You start a thread, which to me implies that you are suggesting
that manual focus shouldn't be a big deal, but then you say that
wasn't your reason to make the thread.
I'm sorry I got the wrong impression, too.
Your thread is not for any other reason then to say "I'm happy".
That's OK.
I'm happy for you too.

Guy Moscoso

jimr wrote:

For me that is a total non-issue.
The many lenses that are currently available from Nikon that FULLY
function on the D40 (including AF) covers all that interest me.
Of course more Nikon AFS/I lenses will be available as time goes
on, but I and many others would be perfectly happy to own any
number of the currently available and fully compatible Nikon AFS/I
lense and/or fully compatable Sigm HSM lenses.

OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Stujoe wrote:

I did some manual focusing on some coin macro shots yesterday with
the D50 and it wasn't that bad since the little green focus light
still worked. Of course, coins don't move much and I controlled
the amount of light.

But, I guess if you can afford lenses like the $400 Sigma 30mm or
the $500 Nikon 70-300mm, you don't have to worry about manually
focusing with the D40. It was a camera that would quickly get
beyond my limited budget but it does seem to be a nice one for
those that can afford it the setup.

Did you see the entire listing of AFS lenses that are fully compatable with the D40? Many of the DX lenses are not expensive.

If you choose the expensive ones, they will be expensive no matter what body you put it on.

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OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

larsbc wrote:

jimr wrote:

As I said, I did not expect to see such a BIG difference between
the two viewfinders. The D40's viewfinder is so much better and the
LCD is not only large, bright and with a much higher resolution,
but it has a very wide angle of view.

I'm quite surprised you see so much difference, too. Going from
.75x (D50) magnification to the .80x of the D40 isn't much of a
jump. I just went from .75x (D70) to .94x (D200) and there is a
noticeable difference for sure. But .75 -> .80?

The BIRIGHTNESS difference between the two is very significant. Numbers do not tell you that. Try them side by side and prepare to see a notable difference.

OTOH, I haven't looked thru the D40's viewfinder yet. I should
give it a try at the local camera store, just to satisfy my own
curiosity.

larsbc

Brad Waldera Veteran Member • Posts: 5,697
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

You can control the LCD brightness on the D50 to have it any way you like. I would not make a camera purchase decision based solely on LCD brightness.
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RAL Veteran Member • Posts: 6,377
Viewfinder, not lcd

The lcd is much better, but poster is referring to the viewfinder - really great difference here also in size and brightness.

gmosc Veteran Member • Posts: 5,950
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What will you do better with the brighter viewfinder? Are you implying anything? What is your point? I get a lot of eureka moments in the week but I don't start a thread unless it relates to how it could help someone.

When someone starts a thread here about bright viewfinders I imagine that it is relative to manual focussing. I'm sure other people will, too. That's my point.

As for the other poster who says that it helps in composition, hmmm I don't think so but maybe a brighter viewfinder helps him/her that's ok.

The only reason for a viewfinder on my D50 is for compostion. I can't focus with it and I've tried. I've never thought "gee if there was more light I would be able to compose this picture better", not once. So I disagree with the concept that it would help composition.

Brightrer is nicer but if if doesn't help for manual focus then it isn't bright enough.

A more useful post would be to try to manual focus and give your opinion about that.IS it possible? When and how did you do it? MANY people want to hear about that. Go ahead and do that post. It will be MUCH more helpful than this one. That's what people want to hear, I guarantee it.

I can't do it because I don't have a d40, but you do. Don't be afraid to be critical of your camera if it is deserved like saying "I can do it in good light but I can't do it when I'm chasing my kids indoors". Those kind of comments that cut directly to the point will help so many people you wouldn't believe it. They want to hear what is possible and you are in a great position to give your own personal experience.

Guy Moscoso

jimr wrote:
Guy...Here is the OP. Where did manual focusing get mentioned or
alluded to?
The posting was a simple clear comment about how surprised I was at
how much better the D40 viewfinder is. I did not expect it.
Manual focusing was not mentioned at all in the OP..

"I knew how much better the D40 LCD panel would be compared to the
D50/D70, but what really surprised me was how very much brighter
and better the viewfinder on the D40 is."

gmosc wrote:
You start a thread, which to me implies that you are suggesting
that manual focus shouldn't be a big deal, but then you say that
wasn't your reason to make the thread.
I'm sorry I got the wrong impression, too.
Your thread is not for any other reason then to say "I'm happy".
That's OK.
I'm happy for you too.

Guy Moscoso

jimr wrote:

For me that is a total non-issue.
The many lenses that are currently available from Nikon that FULLY
function on the D40 (including AF) covers all that interest me.
Of course more Nikon AFS/I lenses will be available as time goes
on, but I and many others would be perfectly happy to own any
number of the currently available and fully compatible Nikon AFS/I
lense and/or fully compatable Sigm HSM lenses.

Stujoe Veteran Member • Posts: 5,856
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Which one less inexpensive than the one I posted and will cover a zoom range up to 300mm? Which one is less inexpensive than the one I posted and is a fast prime lens?

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OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Brad Waldera wrote:

You can control the LCD brightness on the D50 to have it any way
you like. I would not make a camera purchase decision based solely
on LCD brightness.

Of course not. It is just a definite plus. The viewfinder brightness difference cannot be changed.

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OP jimr Forum Pro • Posts: 11,405
Re: Viewfinder, not lcd

Thank you for reading what I wrote!

RAL wrote:

The lcd is much better, but poster is referring to the viewfinder -
really great difference here also in size and brightness.

Kananga Forum Member • Posts: 74
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

Come on Guy, it's just a comment regarding a Nikon D40 on a Nikon D40 forum. I am sure that posts regarding Nikon D40s which dont specifically help anyone in particular are not against forum rules and can be discussed to a certain extent. Not only that but the comment is helpful as I am sure there are plenty of D50 owners out there who wish they had a brighter viewfinder and this will help them decide to upgrade to the D40.
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drmaturin Regular Member • Posts: 215
Re: Viewfinder D40/D50 Surprise

I agree. The viewfinder is surprisingly bright (if not large).

I just bought a D40 (about 7 hr.s ago), and I'm pleased how easy it is to manually focus even in dimly lit rooms.

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