Switching to Nikon?

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Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Switching to Nikon?

Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with the fact that it's impossible to get a 70/80-200/2.8 or other fast zooms (not 3rd party!)

Im my opinion it's ridiculous one should wait and wait untill the FA*80-200 finally shows up and I'm afraid people are willing to spend a lot of $$$ just to get it.

When I'm looking at Nikon's (I don't care for Canon) offerings on the 80-200/2.8 AF-S, which can be found very often secondhand (at a reasonable price,

The thing I am concerned about most are the Nikon prices. About 1500(!!!!!!) euros for the 17-55/2.8 isn't something my wallet would appreciate.

It also made me think why on earth Pentax will release a 50-135 (it supposes to be a 80-200 with the x1.5 crop factor) while there IS a demand for a fast 80-200.

Sure, the 60-250 will be a nice lens but it's a tad too slow and I don't trust the big zoom range cause it WILL affect the IQ in a bad way (I hope I'm wrong but we'll see)

I still use my DS with great pleasure but I also shoot approx. 90% of my pics indoors (with fast primes: FA35/2 the FA50/1.7 and my recently sold FA77/1.8) and I'm not getting happier with the sloooow AF.

The K10D seems a great camera but I'm afraid its biggest plus is the SR. It's the best bang for the buck compared to the D80 (same price in the Netherlands).

Speed is my keyword over here. I tried the D80 and it feels great, a lot better than the D70(s). The viewfinder also improved a lot the biggest disadvantage of the D70).

Pleas help me to convince to stay with Pentax!!!!!!

Tell me the AF speed is the same as the one on the normal (so not the silent wave ones) AF lenses of Nikon and that I have to wait for the DA* lenses

Tell me AF indoors really DID improve a lot compared to the DS. In most threads I read it did indeed but did it change from let's say: 3 sec. AF lock on the DS to a 1 sec lock (K10D). AF lock or 3 sec (DS) to 2 sec (K10D).

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Marcel

carpents Senior Member • Posts: 1,977
Switch then.

Marcel_H wrote:

Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with
the fact that it's impossible to get a 70/80-200/2.8 or other fast
zooms (not 3rd party!)

Im my opinion it's ridiculous one should wait and wait untill the
FA*80-200 finally shows up and I'm afraid people are willing to
spend a lot of $$$ just to get it.

I don't know if other manufacturers have a lens roadmap like Pentax does, but Pentax never claimed they would re-make the 80-200/2.8. If you expected one, you were mistaken.

(snip)
The K10D seems a great camera but I'm afraid its biggest plus is
the SR.

I don't care one bit about SR. Since it appears my needs in a camera are polar opposites to yours, there probably isn't any reason to convince you to stay with Pentax.

For the record, the K10 is faster and better than the DS in all regards, and the K10's biggest let-down is IMO the sensor - which is the same one in the D80. As a fast prime shooter, Pentax offers me nearly everything I want, and I'm willing to wait for the one or two lenses I can't easily find.

Zion Frost Senior Member • Posts: 1,170
Bye Bye

I don't know how anyone can or should convince you to go with a particular brand. It seems you've already made-up your mind. I hope it works for you. Best wishes.
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SFT007 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,874
Re: Switching to Nikon?

Marcel_H wrote:

Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with
the fact that it's impossible to get a 70/80-200/2.8 or other fast
zooms (not 3rd party!)

Im my opinion it's ridiculous one should wait and wait untill the
FA*80-200 finally shows up and I'm afraid people are willing to
spend a lot of $$$ just to get it.

When I'm looking at Nikon's (I don't care for Canon) offerings on
the 80-200/2.8 AF-S, which can be found very often secondhand (at a
reasonable price,
jealous. The 70-200 VR is out of my league, in fact, I can live
with my F70-210 without SR so the extra $$$ just for the VR isn't
necessary.

The thing I am concerned about most are the Nikon prices. About
1500(!!!!!!) euros for the 17-55/2.8 isn't something my wallet
would appreciate.

It also made me think why on earth Pentax will release a 50-135 (it
supposes to be a 80-200 with the x1.5 crop factor) while there IS a
demand for a fast 80-200.

Sure, the 60-250 will be a nice lens but it's a tad too slow and I
don't trust the big zoom range cause it WILL affect the IQ in a bad
way (I hope I'm wrong but we'll see)

I still use my DS with great pleasure but I also shoot approx. 90%
of my pics indoors (with fast primes: FA35/2 the FA50/1.7 and my
recently sold FA77/1.8) and I'm not getting happier with the
sloooow AF.

The K10D seems a great camera but I'm afraid its biggest plus is
the SR. It's the best bang for the buck compared to the D80 (same
price in the Netherlands).

Speed is my keyword over here. I tried the D80 and it feels great,
a lot better than the D70(s). The viewfinder also improved a lot
the biggest disadvantage of the D70).

Pleas help me to convince to stay with Pentax!!!!!!

Tell me the AF speed is the same as the one on the normal (so not
the silent wave ones) AF lenses of Nikon and that I have to wait
for the DA* lenses

It is according to Pop Photo - in fact the K10 is faster than the D80 apparantly from EV level 21 to 6 (which is pretty low-light) after that the D80 is faster by about a half second at around EV1~2 and so.

Tell me AF indoors really DID improve a lot compared to the DS. In
most threads I read it did indeed but did it change from let's say:
3 sec. AF lock on the DS to a 1 sec lock (K10D). AF lock or 3 sec
(DS) to 2 sec (K10D).

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Marcel

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Steven Veteran Member • Posts: 4,421
Re: Switching to Nikon?

I dont understand your problem. Sigma makes a great 70-200 and its up there with Nikon and Canons as far as sharpness goes.

Marcel_H wrote:

Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with
the fact that it's impossible to get a 70/80-200/2.8 or other fast
zooms (not 3rd party!)

Im my opinion it's ridiculous one should wait and wait untill the
FA*80-200 finally shows up and I'm afraid people are willing to
spend a lot of $$$ just to get it.

When I'm looking at Nikon's (I don't care for Canon) offerings on
the 80-200/2.8 AF-S, which can be found very often secondhand (at a
reasonable price,
jealous. The 70-200 VR is out of my league, in fact, I can live
with my F70-210 without SR so the extra $$$ just for the VR isn't
necessary.

The thing I am concerned about most are the Nikon prices. About
1500(!!!!!!) euros for the 17-55/2.8 isn't something my wallet
would appreciate.

It also made me think why on earth Pentax will release a 50-135 (it
supposes to be a 80-200 with the x1.5 crop factor) while there IS a
demand for a fast 80-200.

Sure, the 60-250 will be a nice lens but it's a tad too slow and I
don't trust the big zoom range cause it WILL affect the IQ in a bad
way (I hope I'm wrong but we'll see)

I still use my DS with great pleasure but I also shoot approx. 90%
of my pics indoors (with fast primes: FA35/2 the FA50/1.7 and my
recently sold FA77/1.8) and I'm not getting happier with the
sloooow AF.

The K10D seems a great camera but I'm afraid its biggest plus is
the SR. It's the best bang for the buck compared to the D80 (same
price in the Netherlands).

Speed is my keyword over here. I tried the D80 and it feels great,
a lot better than the D70(s). The viewfinder also improved a lot
the biggest disadvantage of the D70).

Pleas help me to convince to stay with Pentax!!!!!!

Tell me the AF speed is the same as the one on the normal (so not
the silent wave ones) AF lenses of Nikon and that I have to wait
for the DA* lenses

Tell me AF indoors really DID improve a lot compared to the DS. In
most threads I read it did indeed but did it change from let's say:
3 sec. AF lock on the DS to a 1 sec lock (K10D). AF lock or 3 sec
(DS) to 2 sec (K10D).

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OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Switch then.

carpents wrote:

I don't know if other manufacturers have a lens roadmap like Pentax
does, but Pentax never claimed they would re-make the 80-200/2.8.
If you expected one, you were mistaken.

Just what I posted:

"Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with

the fact...."

No, I didn't expect one but with the almost 'vanishing' of the Sigma 70-200/2.8 there are NO alternatives anymore for a fast 70/80-200.

What wories me most is the gap from 135-200 which can't be filled in with a fast 2.8 and I don't expect Pentax to bring in a stunning DA*100-300/2.8

When Sigma has the 70-200 in stock again it will be a useless 70-135mm which the 50-135 will cover.

I don't care one bit about SR. Since it appears my needs in a
camera are polar opposites to yours, there probably isn't any
reason to convince you to stay with Pentax.
For the record, the K10 is faster and better than the DS in all
regards, and the K10's biggest let-down is IMO the sensor - which
is the same one in the D80. As a fast prime shooter, Pentax offers
me nearly everything I want, and I'm willing to wait for the one or
two lenses I can't easily find.

I like the overall touch of quality of Pentax and the choice of primes is great (used the: A50/1.7 FA35/2.0 FA50/1.7 FA77/1.8 ltd A100/1.8 and the A200/4.0) but after a year of shooting the need for speed is increasing.

Furthermore this forum changed a lot, to the negative side it is.

There is a kinda like a "f*uck off if you don't like the K10D" vibe going on which doesn't sound attractive at all.

The most funny thing of all is that most of those people are relative newbies who just started playing with their K10D and don't accepts any comments on their new toy.

Well, ontopic again:

There are 3 things I want:

-good viewfinder
-fast AF
-quality

And I seriously want to know how the autofocus of the K10D behaves against the Nikon alternatives (D80/D200, non silent wave lenses!!!!).

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Marcel

mpixel Veteran Member • Posts: 5,779
Re: Switching to Nikon?

I think that trying to convince you to stay would be a disservice to you.

You seem to have put forward a number of arguments to switch and if you believe that Nikon will satisfy your needs then switch.

I was also unable to find the lenses (and accessories) I wanted in the Pentax mount so I bought them in the Canon mount instead.

One point - the Nikon 17-55 f/2.8 is designed for professional use and so it is priced accordingly. The Tokina 16-50 f/2.8, which will have the same optical construction as the Pentax version, will be cheaper.

Marcel_H wrote:

Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with
the fact that it's impossible to get a 70/80-200/2.8 or other fast
zooms (not 3rd party!)

Im my opinion it's ridiculous one should wait and wait untill the
FA*80-200 finally shows up and I'm afraid people are willing to
spend a lot of $$$ just to get it.

When I'm looking at Nikon's (I don't care for Canon) offerings on
the 80-200/2.8 AF-S, which can be found very often secondhand (at a
reasonable price,
jealous. The 70-200 VR is out of my league, in fact, I can live
with my F70-210 without SR so the extra $$$ just for the VR isn't
necessary.

The thing I am concerned about most are the Nikon prices. About
1500(!!!!!!) euros for the 17-55/2.8 isn't something my wallet
would appreciate.

It also made me think why on earth Pentax will release a 50-135 (it
supposes to be a 80-200 with the x1.5 crop factor) while there IS a
demand for a fast 80-200.

Sure, the 60-250 will be a nice lens but it's a tad too slow and I
don't trust the big zoom range cause it WILL affect the IQ in a bad
way (I hope I'm wrong but we'll see)

I still use my DS with great pleasure but I also shoot approx. 90%
of my pics indoors (with fast primes: FA35/2 the FA50/1.7 and my
recently sold FA77/1.8) and I'm not getting happier with the
sloooow AF.

The K10D seems a great camera but I'm afraid its biggest plus is
the SR. It's the best bang for the buck compared to the D80 (same
price in the Netherlands).

Speed is my keyword over here. I tried the D80 and it feels great,
a lot better than the D70(s). The viewfinder also improved a lot
the biggest disadvantage of the D70).

Pleas help me to convince to stay with Pentax!!!!!!

Tell me the AF speed is the same as the one on the normal (so not
the silent wave ones) AF lenses of Nikon and that I have to wait
for the DA* lenses

Tell me AF indoors really DID improve a lot compared to the DS. In
most threads I read it did indeed but did it change from let's say:
3 sec. AF lock on the DS to a 1 sec lock (K10D). AF lock or 3 sec
(DS) to 2 sec (K10D).

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GMT

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Bye Bye -Uhm, read my post correctly!!!

Zion Frost wrote:

I don't know how anyone can or should convince you to go with a
particular brand. It seems you've already made-up your mind. I
hope it works for you. Best wishes.

Nope, why don't people read posts correctly when they think it has a Pentax like bashing vibe?

The main question (for me!) was a AF comparison between the D80 en the K10D for the non silent wave lenses.

Ron Johnson
Brigham City, Utah; At the top of the Great Salt Lake
GMT-7 Mountain Standard Time

The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

http://www.pbase.com/ronaldgjohnson

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Marcel

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Switching to Nikon?

Sinan Tarlan wrote:

It is according to Pop Photo - in fact the K10 is faster than the
D80 apparantly from EV level 21 to 6 (which is pretty low-light)
after that the D80 is faster by about a half second at around EV1~2
and so.

That's the information I was hoping to get. Appreciated Sinan, thanks.

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Marcel

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Sigma 70-200

Steven wrote:

I dont understand your problem. Sigma makes a great 70-200 and its
up there with Nikon and Canons as far as sharpness goes.

You're absolutely right. If you can give me a link to a European store which has one IN STOCK for a price

Or better, a link to Cameta who sold the 70-200 699USD

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Marcel

mpixel Veteran Member • Posts: 5,779
Re: Switch then.

Marcel_H wrote:

carpents wrote:

I don't know if other manufacturers have a lens roadmap like Pentax
does, but Pentax never claimed they would re-make the 80-200/2.8.
If you expected one, you were mistaken.

Just what I posted:

"Since a couple of weeks I've been thinking why I should put up with

the fact...."

No, I didn't expect one but with the almost 'vanishing' of the
Sigma 70-200/2.8 there are NO alternatives anymore for a fast
70/80-200.

What wories me most is the gap from 135-200 which can't be filled
in with a fast 2.8 and I don't expect Pentax to bring in a stunning
DA*100-300/2.8

When Sigma has the 70-200 in stock again it will be a useless
70-135mm which the 50-135 will cover.

I don't understand this last line.

I don't care one bit about SR. Since it appears my needs in a
camera are polar opposites to yours, there probably isn't any
reason to convince you to stay with Pentax.
For the record, the K10 is faster and better than the DS in all
regards, and the K10's biggest let-down is IMO the sensor - which
is the same one in the D80. As a fast prime shooter, Pentax offers
me nearly everything I want, and I'm willing to wait for the one or
two lenses I can't easily find.

I like the overall touch of quality of Pentax and the choice of
primes is great (used the: A50/1.7 FA35/2.0 FA50/1.7 FA77/1.8 ltd
A100/1.8 and the A200/4.0) but after a year of shooting the need
for speed is increasing.

Furthermore this forum changed a lot, to the negative side it is.

There is a kinda like a "f*uck off if you don't like the K10D" vibe
going on which doesn't sound attractive at all.

The most funny thing of all is that most of those people are
relative newbies who just started playing with their K10D and don't
accepts any comments on their new toy.

Well, ontopic again:

There are 3 things I want:

-good viewfinder
-fast AF
-quality

And I seriously want to know how the autofocus of the K10D behaves
against the Nikon alternatives (D80/D200, non silent wave
lenses!!!!).

I think that the Nikon and Canon AF systems are better than the Pentax AF system especially when it comes to operating in low light.

From reading the interviews there is no change to the AF detection system in the K10D over the previous systems although the mechanics have changed with the inclusion of a more powerful AF motor than the one in the D or the DS, a higher operating voltage than the K100D (so the motor operates faster) and of course there is the Supersonic in-lens-motor system.

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Marcel

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kristian2000
kristian2000 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,620
Re: Bye Bye -Uhm, read my post correctly!!!

From Phil's review of the K10D
"Accurate and fast auto-focus"

Most of what people post here is anecdotal, me , I think the AF on the K10D is fast enough for me . Nobody knows what you need or want except for you.

Marcel_H wrote:

Zion Frost wrote:

I don't know how anyone can or should convince you to go with a
particular brand. It seems you've already made-up your mind. I
hope it works for you. Best wishes.

Nope, why don't people read posts correctly when they think it has
a Pentax like bashing vibe?

The main question (for me!) was a AF comparison between the D80 en
the K10D for the non silent wave lenses.

Ron Johnson
Brigham City, Utah; At the top of the Great Salt Lake
GMT-7 Mountain Standard Time

The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked.

http://www.pbase.com/ronaldgjohnson

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OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Switching to Nikon?

mpixel wrote:

I think that trying to convince you to stay would be a disservice
to you.

You seem to have put forward a number of arguments to switch and if
you believe that Nikon will satisfy your needs then switch.

I was also unable to find the lenses (and accessories) I wanted in
the Pentax mount so I bought them in the Canon mount instead.

One point - the Nikon 17-55 f/2.8 is designed for professional use
and so it is priced accordingly. The Tokina 16-50 f/2.8, which will
have the same optical construction as the Pentax version, will be
cheaper.

You may always try to convince me, it's no disservice at all as long as you can override my arguments.

Nikon can only please me in the need of speed and maybe in their flash system. If the finishing of the K10D is similar/ bettter than the buil quality of the DS (of course it's better!) then a D80 won't beat the Pentax.

Normally I shoot at a max of 800iso so the noise won't be that much.

You were looking for some tele lenses or did the AF speed was the biggest reason to switch?

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Marcel

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Bye Bye -Uhm, read my post correctly!!!

snow4ever wrote:

From Phil's review of the K10D
"Accurate and fast auto-focus"
Most of what people post here is anecdotal, me , I think the AF on
the K10D is fast enough for me . Nobody knows what you need or
want except for you.

Did you use a DS or is the K10D your 1st Pentax? The Pentax AF system focusses fast enough but when it's almost there it begins to 'finetune' and that's the part that bothers me most.

Let's say my DS locks in 2 seconds (well lit living room but a more yellowish light). If the K10D manages to do that in 1 sec I would be satisfied.

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Marcel

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: Switch then.

mpixel wrote:

Marcel_H wrote:

When Sigma has the 70-200 in stock again it will be a useless
70-135mm which the 50-135 will cover.

I don't understand this last line.

When staying with Pentax I absolutely want the DA*50-135. I also wnat to have a telelens like the Sigma 70-200 but it's a little waste of my euros if 70-135mm on the Sigma is already covered by the DA*50-135.

I think that the Nikon and Canon AF systems are better than the
Pentax AF system especially when it comes to operating in low light.

From reading the interviews there is no change to the AF detection
system in the K10D over the previous systems although the mechanics
have changed with the inclusion of a more powerful AF motor than
the one in the D or the DS, a higher operating voltage than the
K100D (so the motor operates faster) and of course there is the
Supersonic in-lens-motor system.

We just have to wait and see how they compare to the USM/Silent wave lenses. For now no more LBA untill the SSM lenses will be released.

But.....there is a need for the 10-17 arghhhhh damn you LBA

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Marcel

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Marcel

flattop1 Contributing Member • Posts: 921
What will you be getting rid of and where.

Hate to see you go but I woudl liek to be part of the family.

OP Marcel_H Regular Member • Posts: 122
Re: What will you be getting rid of and where.

flattop1 wrote:

Hate to see you go but I woudl liek to be part of the family.

Well, I have to wait for 3 months untill I'm making my final decision

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Marcel

mpixel Veteran Member • Posts: 5,779
Re: Switching to Nikon?

Marcel_H wrote:

mpixel wrote:

I think that trying to convince you to stay would be a disservice
to you.

You seem to have put forward a number of arguments to switch and if
you believe that Nikon will satisfy your needs then switch.

I was also unable to find the lenses (and accessories) I wanted in
the Pentax mount so I bought them in the Canon mount instead.

One point - the Nikon 17-55 f/2.8 is designed for professional use
and so it is priced accordingly. The Tokina 16-50 f/2.8, which will
have the same optical construction as the Pentax version, will be
cheaper.

You may always try to convince me, it's no disservice at all as
long as you can override my arguments.

Nikon can only please me in the need of speed and maybe in their
flash system. If the finishing of the K10D is similar/ bettter than
the buil quality of the DS (of course it's better!) then a D80
won't beat the Pentax.

Normally I shoot at a max of 800iso so the noise won't be that much.

You were looking for some tele lenses or did the AF speed was the
biggest reason to switch?

Not just tele-lenses, other lenses were hard to find after Pentax discontinued so many lenses but my main issue was a lack of a fast zoom like the 80-200 f/2.8 and the lack of a decent fast portrait lens like the 85mm f/1.4.

The lack of a decent flash system was another issue as was the lack of long decent zoom options and the lack of 3rd party support (lenses/flashes/software/accessories/etc).

After buying the Canon some months ago I was able to walk into a shop on the morning that I needed the 70-200 f/2.8 IS and buy it (for less than some paid for their Pentax FA* 80-200 f/2.8).

[One of the things that made me laugh was seeing the Pentax faithful on this forum saying how they were sticking with Pentax for the Pentax glass and then seeing them going out and buying third party lenses because they couldn’t get the Pentax glass.]

With the *ist D AF speed in good light wasn’t a problem most of the time however the system sometimes had an issue locking on target in light that was not particularly low, especially with the linear sensors.

In low light it was very poor, first pausing to “think” about doing something and then racking forwards and backwards trying to lock on – and that’s with the cross-type sensors because the linear sensors were next to useless under those conditions.

Basically I think that Pentax’s AF system, AE metering system and flash metering systems are in need of a top-to-bottom overhaul.

However my biggest reasons to buy Canon were the lack of lenses in the focal lengths and speeds that I wanted from Pentax. The lack of availability of those lenses that they had. The lack of accessories or the insane pricing of those that existed (e.g. the Ref-converter was about £320) and the lack of third party support.

What finally pushed me over the edge? The publication of the lens roadmap at PMA with nothing but new DA lenses on it and they removed the already very late full-frame D FA 50-210mm High Performance Zoom. This told me that Pentax were heading in a direction that I didn’t really want to go in i.e. they are headed for an overly long stay in APS-C only land.

The publication of the latest lens roadmap at Photokina has confirmed this – DA lenses again with a couple of exceptions and not one lens fast enough to make up for the 1.53x loss of DOF control. Also the obsession with Pancakes is not particularly a good thing. They may be small but I consider the 70mm f/2.4 (107mm f/3.6) to be an abomination with it’s purple and green fringing – not a lens I would buy now although I considered it when it was first announced slow as it was.

I expect the DA* zooms to cost around $1,800 - $2,000 for the pair if you live in the US and probably about $3,000 for the pair if you live in the UK. For that kind of money I decided that I’d rather go full frame especially since I would have slightly more DOF control with a constant f/4 lens on full frame than I would with a constant f/2.8 on APS-C and I could opt to buy a f/2.8 zoom or a faster prime at any point.

As you can see reasons for buying another brand tend to be complex and often somewhat individual. Hopefully you will find what suits you either with Pentax or with another brand.

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D TONG Senior Member • Posts: 2,559
Sigma 70-200 Adorama has it in stock

I do not see what the fuss is about? Temporary shortage of supply during Christmas time. Big deal

Daniel, Toronto
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Marcel_H wrote:

Steven wrote:

I dont understand your problem. Sigma makes a great 70-200 and its
up there with Nikon and Canons as far as sharpness goes.

You're absolutely right. If you can give me a link to a European
store which has one IN STOCK for a price
man

Or better, a link to Cameta who sold the 70-200 699USD

SFT007 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,874
Re: Switching to Nikon?

the AF speed of the K10D is said to much improved over the original ist D - even older ones cams such as the DS and K100 are improved over the ist D. I find the metering very good on the K10 - it preserves good highlight detail - unlike the Nikon D80 for example. To each their own of course. The lenses I cant really comment on since I cant afford thousands of dollars worth of glass right now and I know if I wanted good glass when I can afford it I know the DA* lenses will be superb probably. I dont see the problem with APS-C though - in fact I prefer it to FF since FF doesnt bring that much gain IMO (except for better noise which I see as the main advantage but even that is partly due to the NR chip built in to the CMOS sensors of Canon anyways) - especially for the cost, size and weight I think FF is only for proffsionals and APS-C is more than adequate for enthusiasts/amateurs - even Canon seems to agree with this as it costs about 10-20 times the cost of an APS-C sensor to make a FF CMOS - and its also much more demanding on the glass both optically and for size, weight and cost. But again, to each their own and I have read many comments from pros who use both systems about the D200 being a better photographic tool than the twice as expensive 5D - except for noise at high ISO's beyond ISO800 of course. So again, it really is to each their own and the APS-C is not all that inferior as Canon would like people to think IMO.

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