K10D broke already!!!!

Started Nov 22, 2006 | Discussions
Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
K10D broke already!!!!

I just got home about 1/2 hour ago and was playin around with the K10D, just experimenting, different settings, modes, ISO, whatnot. Then started using flash, again, just playin around. Before I describe what happened, let me ask you guys a question. When using the flash in low light (duh) does it give you a little pre-flash to aquire a better focus? Mine has since day 1. If it's really dark, it seemed to give a small sizzle like strobe, I assumed it was acting like a AF assist light, guess I was wrong! On the last try, it did it's little sizzle thing and then popped, like taking a flash pic, only I hadn't depressed the shutter. Now the cam will not take a pic when the flash is up! Everything else seems to be OK. What the F* K!! Guess I need to return it after 3 days! This S*CKS!!!!!!!!
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dfw Regular Member • Posts: 389
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

definately not good news.
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LesMizzell
LesMizzell Contributing Member • Posts: 517
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

describe what happened, let me ask you guys a question. When using
the flash in low light (duh) does it give you a little pre-flash to
aquire a better focus?

Mine does.

I haven't had time to check settings yet to see if this can be adjusted, but the few flash shots I took looked pretty good compared to what I was using before, so I hadn't really worried out it.

John Bean (UK) Forum Pro • Posts: 18,035
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

Wayne Simpson wrote:

On the last try,
it did it's little sizzle thing and then popped, like taking a
flash pic, only I hadn't depressed the shutter. Now the cam will
not take a pic when the flash is up!

Sure sounds like you broke it

What the F* K!! Guess I need to return it after 3 days! This
S*CKS!!!!!!!!

Stuff happens. Disappointing to be sure, but the replacement will probably be fine. No need to get so out of shape about it.

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35mmfilm_user Senior Member • Posts: 1,652
Good news, bad news in your case..

Wayne Simpson wrote:

I just got home about 1/2 hour ago and was playin around with the
K10D, just experimenting, different settings, modes, ISO, whatnot.
Then started using flash, again, just playin around. Before I
describe what happened, let me ask you guys a question. When using
the flash in low light (duh) does it give you a little pre-flash to
aquire a better focus? Mine has since day 1. If it's really dark,
it seemed to give a small sizzle like strobe, I assumed it was
acting like a AF assist light, guess I was wrong! On the last try,
it did it's little sizzle thing and then popped, like taking a
flash pic, only I hadn't depressed the shutter. Now the cam will
not take a pic when the flash is up! Everything else seems to be
OK. What the F* K!! Guess I need to return it after 3 days! This
S*CKS!!!!!!!!

Yes, that definitely s*cks. I am very sorry to hear that.

I've barely tested mine, but so far, very good and fast. That DDR2 memory shows in review load times, write times, etc.

Your consolation is that it happened early, rather than later, so there's no problem with getting the problem addressed. Hopefully your vendor will be nice a swap it out for you?

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jeffster_ca Contributing Member • Posts: 636
Re: Electronics sucks some times

Wayne, just went through the same thing with a beauiful new Natural Gas large capacity water heater... GRRRRRR and I had to have the coldest shower last night because they could not fix it yesterday. (It was cold out so I guess I should say Brrrrrr....)

OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

John Bean (UK) wrote:

Wayne Simpson wrote:

On the last try,
it did it's little sizzle thing and then popped, like taking a
flash pic, only I hadn't depressed the shutter. Now the cam will
not take a pic when the flash is up!

Sure sounds like you broke it

What the F* K!! Guess I need to return it after 3 days! This
S*CKS!!!!!!!!

Stuff happens. Disappointing to be sure, but the replacement will
probably be fine. No need to get so out of shape about it.

What do you mean, "I broke it"? I was just tryin to take a flash pic!
Replacement......what, 4 months!

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Chris Nielsen Regular Member • Posts: 423
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

As far as I remember, there is a warning in the user guide, to let the flash cool down when using the flash for focus assist light - or was it modelling?

OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

LesMizzell wrote:

describe what happened, let me ask you guys a question. When using
the flash in low light (duh) does it give you a little pre-flash to
aquire a better focus?

Mine does.

I haven't had time to check settings yet to see if this can be
adjusted, but the few flash shots I took looked pretty good
compared to what I was using before, so I hadn't really worried out
it.

Yours does....meaning it does give that little sizzle-strobe effect at half press? I need to know if that was normal, thanks.
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John Bean (UK) Forum Pro • Posts: 18,035
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

Wayne Simpson wrote:

What do you mean, "I broke it"? I was just tryin to take a flash pic!
Replacement......what, 4 months!

Just a phrase Wayne, watch the blood pressure. I wasn't suggesting you did anything wrong. Every time I take my car in for repair the mechanic always says "You broke it... again???" with false incredulity in his tone. Same sort of thing, but maybe doesn't come across well in the written words. It broke while you were using it was all I meant.

Why should it take four months to get a replacement?

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LesMizzell
LesMizzell Contributing Member • Posts: 517
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

OK - in the manual:

In AF.S mode - "The Built-in flash will discharge automatically several times, enabling the autofocus to focus on the subject easier of the subject is in a dark area and the built-in flash is available."

So, that's what it's supposed to do.

I don't see a warning anywhere about allowing the flash to cool (?) though.

Hmmmm....

OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

Sorry John, no offense meant, and yes, I'm upset! Four months was just paranoid because it seemed to take so long to be released, but I bet it's backordered if you order now. So who knows how long! But I did just talk to my dealer and he did buy one for his shop as a display, so maybe I can swap for that one.
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OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

LesMizzell wrote:

OK - in the manual:

In AF.S mode - "The Built-in flash will discharge automatically
several times, enabling the autofocus to focus on the subject
easier of the subject is in a dark area and the built-in flash is
available."

So, that's what it's supposed to do.

I don't see a warning anywhere about allowing the flash to cool (?)
though.

Hmmmm....

Thanks for the info, I should read more........
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John Bean (UK) Forum Pro • Posts: 18,035
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

Wayne Simpson wrote:

Sorry John, no offense meant, and yes, I'm upset! Four months was
just paranoid because it seemed to take so long to be released, but
I bet it's backordered if you order now. So who knows how long! But
I did just talk to my dealer and he did buy one for his shop as a
display, so maybe I can swap for that one.

I hope so. I know it's a bitter disappointment when something you've been waiting a long time for breaks the first time you use it.

On the bright side - if you have to wait a little while for a replacement, this is a great time to practice your non-flash photography - the anti-shake is a great advantage in low-light

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Ivan Glisin
Ivan Glisin Contributing Member • Posts: 726
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

Wayne Simpson wrote:

When using the flash in low light (duh) does it give you a little pre-flash
to aquire a better focus?

My DS does it exactly the way you described: "a small sizzle like strobe" to assist AF.

On the last try, it did it's little sizzle thing and then popped [...]

I see... most likely flash capacitor has died. (BTW, does flash look normal or there is dark spot inside?)

Now the cam will not take a pic when the flash is up!

Yes, sounds like the capacitor is dead. In that case flash can not recharge but camera keeps waiting until recharge is complete, which of course never happens and that's the problem.

To confirm this: change menu option "Release when charging" in custom menu and try taking picture. If it works with flash up then flash recharging circuitry is dead.

Well... I understand it is not a pleasurable experience, but remember that it has most likely nothing to do with K10D design, it is just one electronic component that failed and it could have happened with any electronic device produced by any manufacturer. (I've seen hard drives, TVs, DVD players, computer memories and so on getting fried withing days of purchase, but it is rare.)

If you like your K10D simply replace it. It is unlikely you will see that problem ever again (if it is not a K10D design flaw, but I believe it's not).

-= IVAN =-

Erik37 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,558
Re: K10D broke already!!!!

I'd try to take the battery out over night, just to eliminate
that possibility. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

Just my two öre
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OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
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No offense again John but, how am I supposed to practice when I'm returning my 1st and only DSLR? BTW, that is what I was doing and then said to myself, let's try the flash out and fool around with that! Again John, sorry about coming off as rude before, but you can understand my disappointment. Also, can anyone confirm the little sizzle effect in dark situations? I know what pre-flash is but this is completely different.
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OP Wayne Simpson Contributing Member • Posts: 839
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Thanks Ivan for confirming the sizzle thingy. I'll try what you suggest and also removing the battery for awhile. Thanks all for the help and suggestions, I thought I could count on you guys for help and you came thru....thanks!
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John Bean (UK) Forum Pro • Posts: 18,035
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Wayne Simpson wrote:

No offense again John but, how am I supposed to practice when I'm
returning my 1st and only DSLR?

Don't return it until you can confirm the dealer has a replacement. That's what I'd do.

Also, can anyone confirm the
little sizzle effect in dark situations? I know what pre-flash is
but this is completely different.

My DS (by default) does the same thing. It uses a "slow burn" flash as illuminant for focusing. I have it disabled in the menu, it annoys me and the camera focuses fine in the situations I use it in. I almost never use flash.

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R Valentino Veteran Member • Posts: 3,269
Yes cameras without a dedicated low light AF assist

usually strobe the flash to assist in focus.

My E-300 does this.

I used it about 2 times before finally figuring out that

A. it's super annoying to anyone or animal you're trying to shoot

2. It doesn't work worth a sh!t.

Best thing I ever did was to get an external flash that uses and IR beam for focus assist.

If you have any intentions whatsoever in taking indoor flash shots them you NEED to get an external flash and leave the built in flash for travel or fill.

If it's too dark for the AF, the K10 has a nice big, reasonably bright VF- use manual focus.

But I'm not saying that using the strobe AF assist should result in a broken flash, but when you get a replacement I wouldn't bother using it.

Get a flash- you'll be a 1000% happier with any flash shots, trust me.

Gene

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