D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

Started Oct 26, 2006 | Discussions
miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

Hi, All !

I just got my new 50mmf1.8 and SB800. Soooo excited. Yesterday I took some tests with a DIY paper diffuser. All at ISO 100, exif preserved, exactly how they went from camera.

First impression: the lens is soft at 1.8 but with enough contrast to take decent photos. Probably I'll use this aperture setting only for lowlight handheld photos (concerts, theatre etc). At 2.8 is good enough and at 4 is crisp. Since DOF is quite shallow, I'm not quite interested in marginal sharpness at 1.8-2.8-3.5. I can stop it down to 8 and still have same quality as 4.

For 120 bucks is a steal.

SB800: no comments. This is the F22 of the flashes. One has to have one to see what this little technology marvel can do. I've also played with commander mode on my D80 and I like setting EVs for built-in and SB800, gives a lot of room for creativity.

I'll post some more at different apertures.

Photos in reply.

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Nikon D80
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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples - LARGE

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Nikon SB-800

OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Tests with included gel

No flash, 2500K:

flash, no gel, 2500K:

flash + TN-A1 gel, 2500K

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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

D703 Regular Member • Posts: 348
Re: Tests with included gel

mine was sharp at 2.2 :T
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DStan
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Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

miancu wrote:

Hi, All !

I just got my new 50mmf1.8 and SB800. Soooo excited. Yesterday I
took some tests with a DIY paper diffuser. All at ISO 100, exif
preserved, exactly how they went from camera.

First impression: the lens is soft at 1.8 but with enough contrast
to take decent photos. Probably I'll use this aperture setting only
for lowlight handheld photos (concerts, theatre etc). At 2.8 is
good enough and at 4 is crisp. Since DOF is quite shallow, I'm not
quite interested in marginal sharpness at 1.8-2.8-3.5. I can stop
it down to 8 and still have same quality as 4.

The sharpness at 3.5 is already getting on the ball and it isn;t all that bad below that. Are you sure it's not the shallow DOF that really bothers you?

For 120 bucks is a steal.

Got mine for $100 so who got robbed - lol.

SB800: no comments. This is the F22 of the flashes. One has to have
one to see what this little technology marvel can do. I've also
played with commander mode on my D80 and I like setting EVs for
built-in and SB800, gives a lot of room for creativity.

Comander mode does not contribute to the picture in any meaningful way, so I doubt that fiddling with the on camera Flash EC will effect the popup. In a multiple CLS-iTTL flash scenario, only a Master contributes to the exposure. I don't know if the D80 is capable of being a master, I doubt that it can. If you mount your SB800 on the shoe or SC-28/29 cord it can be a master and your favorite Nikon dealer will be glad to sell you more SB800/600 flashes - lol.

If you set the popup in normal iTTL mode and use your SB800 in SU-4 mode you can get both to contribute, only you will not get the same level of control as a complete iTTL solution.
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ErikRosvold Junior Member • Posts: 28
Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

The D80 can act as master for on-camera flash, and groups A & B. You'll need an SB800 or commander unit to control group C but you could always have the "group C" flash in SU-4 mode with manual settings. The D80 is a huge step up for in camera CLS support from the D70.

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OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Some explanations

The sharpness at 3.5 is already getting on the ball and it isn;t
all that bad below that. Are you sure it's not the shallow DOF that
really bothers you?

No. No. You got me wrong (I think) but this probably my mistake. Nothing bothers me with this lens. What I'm saying is that, IMO, best sharpness is around 4, but, of course, 2.2 and 2.8 is quite good.

I like shallow DOF. What I'm saying is that probably at 2.0-2.8 and a bit more I won't be bothered by loss of marginal sharpness (center sharpness is better anyway) since I'll probably use these apertures in situations when I'll need shallow DOF for selective blurring.

For 120 bucks is a steal.

Got mine for $100 so who got robbed - lol.

I got. But, believe me, for me this IS a extra-super price. Lenses here are priced twice the US price (at least). And I got this one from Calumet.

Comander mode does not contribute to the picture in any meaningful
way, so I doubt that fiddling with the on camera Flash EC will
effect the popup. In a multiple CLS-iTTL flash scenario, only a
Master contributes to the exposure. I don't know if the D80 is
capable of being a master, I doubt that it can. If you mount your
SB800 on the shoe or SC-28/29 cord it can be a master and your
favorite Nikon dealer will be glad to sell you more SB800/600
flashes - lol.

With D80 it does. And works beautiful. See examples in my next (reply) post. I took some shots in commander mode with and without contribution from built-in flash.

If you set the popup in normal iTTL mode and use your SB800 in SU-4
mode you can get both to contribute, only you will not get the same
level of control as a complete iTTL solution.

No. popup is in commander and SB800 in slave (remote), same channel (1). With D80 in commander I can adjust the popup and two groups (A and B) on TTL (EVs), manual (fraction of power) and AA (EVs) modes.

See examples that follow.

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In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Commander - remote samples

SB800 on remote, TTL, 0EV; popup on commander, none:

SB800 on remote, TTL, 0EV; popup on commander, TTL 0EV:

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DStan
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Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

ErikRosvold wrote:

The D80 can act as master for on-camera flash, and groups A & B.
You'll need an SB800 or commander unit to control group C but you
could always have the "group C" flash in SU-4 mode with manual
settings. The D80 is a huge step up for in camera CLS support from
the D70.

From what I've read the D80/popup can only act as a commander to wireless CLS flashes not a master. That means when using wireless flashes it cannot contribute to the exposure. This makes sense since it's output power cannot compete with the likes of an SB800/600 flash. Some stuff says the camera can be a master to the popup, but that should mean without any remotes as is with the D50/70 and D200. As a commander it is much better than the D70 since it allows more than one group. As I've read, It also has repeat flash which is nice for a popup.
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OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

DStan wrote:

From what I've read the D80/popup can only act as a commander to
wireless CLS flashes not a master. That means when using wireless
flashes it cannot contribute to the exposure.

Stan,

See may examples below. D80 popup flash CAN contribute to the exposure.

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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

DStan
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Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

miancu wrote:

DStan wrote:

From what I've read the D80/popup can only act as a commander to
wireless CLS flashes not a master. That means when using wireless
flashes it cannot contribute to the exposure.

Stan,

See may examples below. D80 popup flash CAN contribute to the
exposure.

Doesn't look lke much of a contribution. When using a commander up close some small amount of light can get into the picture, but not as a proper flash. Give it some distance and you will not be able to see anything useful added. The D70(s) exhibits similar behavior, only it cannot control more than the one fixed group while the D80 allows for 2 groups and a full commander allows for 3 groups. There is the difference between a commander and a master. A commander does not effectively contrbute to the exposure, it is for controlling remotes. A Master contributes as well as controls remotes. Such is the difference between an SB-800 and an SU-800. Read the manuals. Your comparison also shows that the second picture has a better exposure. Please explain what settings allow for what you say.
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DStan
DStan Forum Pro • Posts: 10,726
Re: D80 + new 50mmf1.8 + SB800 samples

The EXIF on the forst pictures shows "Comdr" and the second picture shows "Built-in,TTL&Comdr" so perhaps there is something to this that Nikon didn't write clearly in the camera's specs.
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DStan
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I downloaded te D80 manual....

I downloaded te D80 manual and Nikon did it right I guess distance will not be a problem as long as you stay within the guide number limits of the popup which is a pretty powerful popup. Sweet
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OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Re: I downloaded te D80 manual....

Ok,

In order to convince you, I'll make another photo this evening with popup FV increased. I've previously made such tests and IMO for distances up to 3-4 meters, the contribution to the exposure is significant and usable.

Doesn't matter what the manual or specs say.

I know what I see and if I see that there is a clear difference between popup to 0 and popup set to something different (than zero), I assume that internal flash contributes to exposure.

DStan wrote:

I downloaded te D80 manual and Nikon did it right I guess
distance will not be a problem as long as you stay within the guide
number limits of the popup which is a pretty powerful popup.
Sweet
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In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

DStan
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I guess you didn't undserstand my last two posts...

miancu wrote:

Ok,

In order to convince you, I'll make another photo this evening with
popup FV increased. I've previously made such tests and IMO for
distances up to 3-4 meters, the contribution to the exposure is
significant and usable.

Doesn't matter what the manual or specs say.

I guess you didn't undserstand my last two posts. The EXIF data agrees with you. I downloaded the manual that also supports what you said. The spec sheets simply stinks. I also agree with you and don't need any test pictures. So take some fun pictures instead

I know what I see and if I see that there is a clear difference
between popup to 0 and popup set to something different (than
zero), I assume that internal flash contributes to exposure.

DStan wrote:

I downloaded te D80 manual and Nikon did it right I guess
distance will not be a problem as long as you stay within the guide
number limits of the popup which is a pretty powerful popup.
Sweet

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In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

OP miancu Senior Member • Posts: 1,530
Re: I guess you didn't undserstand my last two posts...

I guess you didn't undserstand my last two posts. The EXIF data
agrees with you. I downloaded the manual that also supports what
you said. The spec sheets simply stinks. I also agree with you and
don't need any test pictures. So take some fun pictures instead

Okie-dokie.
thx.

miancu

Stan ;o()

In the spirit of Occam’s Razor one should embrace the less
complicated formulation or simply put, less is more.

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Nikkor AF 50 f/1.8D
Nikon SB-800

David Chin Forum Pro • Posts: 11,670
A late Thank You ...

.. for doing these tests - they're very helpful, especially with the rather large image samples you provided, and also the tests with the built-in flash contributing to the overall exposure in commander mode ... that is really a huge improvement over the D70 in that respect.

Hope you don't remove the images from your server, as I've linked up your posts at :> http://nikond80.dpnotes.com/nikkor-50mm-f18-image-samples/

If you will be deleting the images, I can host them on my PBase of Flickr account, if you don't mind.

Thanks again!

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omidh81 New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Commander - remote samples
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Hi
I have a D80
I recently bought a SB-900 Flash Unit.

I want to fire the external SB-900 Unit without firing the internal Flash, Is it possible ? If yes , could you explain how I can do that?

I setiing: Built in flash > Commander Mod> Built in Flash --
Built in flash > Commander Mod> Group A TTL

Thank you

omidh81 New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Commander - remote samples

omidh81 wrote:

larsbc Forum Pro • Posts: 17,273
Re: Commander - remote samples

Your SB900 has to be set to REMOTE mode and must be set to the same channel as your camera, and set to Group A.

larsbc

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