Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

Started Sep 22, 2006 | Discussions
ohyva Veteran Member • Posts: 6,342
Re: In a narrow perspective

jagge wrote:

Nikon are about equal value to the prosumer photographer... This
Pentax stuff looks REALLY interesting...

What i find really interesting / frustrating is that the dslr
market seems to be somewhat stuck because of sensor technology.
Canon have had slight lead on this for a long time, Nikon seems to
be very close now with the D80 but the development is far from as
big as the development in bodys, features and so on.

i.e. when talking of APS-C size sensors only you are right (not talking of noise now).
But if the entire selection of sensors is looked, far far away.

I really hope that pentax will break that barrier, but we will have
to wait and see. In the end its about IQ and here the advances
within the last few years have been limited i think. Resolution
yes, but absolute IQ not.

I was hoping that Fuji would drop a bomb, but it seems they will
only play in the pro segment, thats a real shame for all brands i
think, a great fuji high iso performer in the D80, 400D, 30D
segment would have been very interesting.

Best wishes

Jakob

ohyva Veteran Member • Posts: 6,342
Re: Still lousy ergonomics.

jagge wrote:

snapware wrote:

Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

I would consider schwitching from Nikon IF they have solved the
ergonomics. It still is quite bad to me so its not a consideration.
Furthermore i tried a 20D and that wheel on the body is cool.

A matter of usage. I myself have not find any convenient way to use the front control dial - that's when the grib rubber is in place as when loose I guess nobody can use that dial.

But when trying to use my index finger there is not any space to put that to use the dial, and when I try to use mu middle finger the grip is only with 2 fingers frontside which feels very odd.

But perhaps this is good for finger execersises.

I think they should have made that grib just a tad wider.
Furthermore i think it really seems that the D80 offers way more
for the price but i guess its a bit more expensive. If the upcoming
comparrison shows IQ to be on par, and especially if the high iso
is on par in the two then i would never consider a 400D over a D80.

I think Canon need a d50 meaning a more compact cam with great
ergonomics, a downscale version of the 30D. To me the perfect house
seems to be from pentax. Small but superiour build, viewfinder and
so on. Going to Pentax just is to great a step for me :0)

Best wishes

Jakob

Barry Pearson
Barry Pearson Veteran Member • Posts: 8,723
Re: I agree

Antony Smith wrote:
[snip]

Similarly with
DNG, if only one manufacturer supports the "standard", then it may
as well be proprietory.

About 130 companies supply products that support DNG in some way:
http://www.barry.pearson.name/articles/dng/products.htm

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John Pennington Senior Member • Posts: 1,017
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

1. The wife. (if I were single, I'd always be an early adopter).

2. Pentax K10. I've always had a fascination with Pentax since I was young and my uncle had a really cool (to my young eyes) Pentax SLR with a HUGE viewfinder.

3. Related to (2), the only investment I have so far in Canon is the kit lens and the 50mm f1.8.

4. I've never had any AF issues with my 350d, and that seems to be the main reason to upgrade.

Regards,
John.

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trojkat Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

Jovo wrote:

I love the way people pontificate about the 350/400D, especially
when they do not own one.

That is very true, but the whole thread suffers from that.

The kit lens is not very poor quality.

Stopped down, in the right hands, it can produce very good results.
I have several albums full of A4 size prints to prove it.

Still, I belive that there are better choices. Esspecialy, when I read all these threads about repleacing the kit lens, and the suggestions to buy Sigmas or Tamrons. Canon is believed to have be the best lens collection amog all DSLR's players, so why people have such prosaic problems?

Admittedly the 400D shines when used with L grade lenses, but that
probably applies to any dSLR with a 10MP sensor.

Where did you glean that Canon doesn't have a very clear idea what
to do with EF-S lenses? How do you explain the release of the
expensive 17-55 F2.8 IS?

I would said 'at last', others went this path long time ago. But still this is a very good sign.

As for better other brand choices, no doubt you can speak without
authority about those as well.

No, I wasn't intrested too much in other brands, I considerd only nikon and canon. But today the market is much more interesting. The future of Nikon/Canon dominance is no longer sure.

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
If you are refering to full frame

i.e. when talking of APS-C size sensors only you are right (not
talking of noise now).
But if the entire selection of sensors is looked, far far away.

If you are refering to full frame i dont see that as a technological breakthrough in any way. Its just a bigger sensor with all the advantages and few disadvantages that brings.

Best wishes

Jakob

ohyva Veteran Member • Posts: 6,342
Re: If you are refering to full frame

jagge wrote:

i.e. when talking of APS-C size sensors only you are right (not
talking of noise now).
But if the entire selection of sensors is looked, far far away.

If you are refering to full frame i dont see that as a
technological breakthrough in any way. Its just a bigger sensor
with all the advantages and few disadvantages that brings.

No, the technical breakthrough is not in FF but in the low noise technology.

"Just a bigger sensor" is a bit understatement when all the silicon processing issues are concerned.

Best wishes

Jakob

jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,880
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

If I don't, and opt for the 40D, it will be largely due to the Viewfinder !!

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ggw2000 Contributing Member • Posts: 919
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

Going with the 30D- it's so much nicer than the Mattel toy.. Gerry

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narayana Contributing Member • Posts: 655
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

Well see, where I live it rains. At parties pple spill drinks, and to me the idea of paying AGAIN for another machine which is entirely dependent on electronic circuitry but i not waterproof or dustproof is crazy.

All digicams at any price SHOULD be weather-sealed, period. And none should have holes for speakers and mics etc anywhere at all. I cover mine with tape.

Would you buy a new washing-machine that leaked? Same thing. Spock out!
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Glenn W. Veteran Member • Posts: 6,428
Re: Still lousy ergonomics.

I picked one up today... I had heard that the grip was improved over the 350D... however it still feels funny in my hand. I supose maybe I would eventualy get used to it's small size... but when I first pick one up, it feels like I'm going to get a cramp in m hand holding on to it. This is with the kit lens on it... hard to imagine how it would feel with a lens that weights twice as much... I am truely baffled why Canon chooses to make the body that small... I guess they have some marketing folks telling them that smaller is better, or something... All I know is that it just doesn't feel good in my hand.

The LCD looked good in the store, however I'm concerned what it would look like outdoors in bright light... If that doesn't work well it would be the last straw for any consideration I would give of this camera.

jagge wrote:

snapware wrote:

Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

I would consider schwitching from Nikon IF they have solved the
ergonomics. It still is quite bad to me so its not a consideration.
Furthermore i tried a 20D and that wheel on the body is cool.

I think they should have made that grib just a tad wider.
Furthermore i think it really seems that the D80 offers way more
for the price but i guess its a bit more expensive. If the upcoming
comparrison shows IQ to be on par, and especially if the high iso
is on par in the two then i would never consider a 400D over a D80.

I think Canon need a d50 meaning a more compact cam with great
ergonomics, a downscale version of the 30D. To me the perfect house
seems to be from pentax. Small but superiour build, viewfinder and
so on. Going to Pentax just is to great a step for me :0)

Best wishes

Jakob

wisey Regular Member • Posts: 248
No reason to change

I am sure there are far better cameras available than my 350D including the 400D by why would I change when I don't believe I am even using 30% of the features of my 350D. I cannot understand why people are so quick to upgrade when in most cases there will be no improvement in their photos (from what I have seen) because of the upgrade. My 350D is so more advanced than the totally manual Nikon F I used for some 30+ years (without a hiccup) but has the standard of my photography changed greatly, not really! I find it hard to comprehend why people jump on the band wagon to change as soon as new camera arrives on the scene. Why don't we all concentrate on creating better pictures than making more profits for the camera manufacturers.

Why not spend more time taking photos with the equipment you have than worrying about the fact that you don't own the 'new kid on the block'.

I keep looking at my wall where I have 3 photos by Sanford Roth (of Picasso. Stravinsky and Hitchcock taken between 1954-56) and thinking if they where put on this forum today they would be critised for their image quality rather than their subject matter and composition.

It worries me how caught up in technology we have become instead of creating emotive, story telling images.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

Rob

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monopoly Forum Member • Posts: 63
Re: Dont need to

My 350D is performing absolutely fine, i see no reason to upgrade to the 400D - the new features would be nice but they're not worth £500.

The next upgrade i make will likely be to the sucessor of the 5D, whenever it is released and if i have the money, as i see full frame being the way to go.
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tomiboi Contributing Member • Posts: 889
I agree [nt]

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Keithgg Regular Member • Posts: 303
Re: Who here would NOT purchase the 400D, and Why?

Jovo wrote:
Clipped>

Where did you glean that Canon doesn't have a very clear idea what
to do with EF-S lenses? How do you explain the release of the
expensive 17-55 F2.8 IS?

Prices from Warehouse Express:

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM £699 + £43.99 for the hood

Nikon AF-S 17-55mm F2.8G IF ED DX £929 including the hood.

Doesn't this make the Canon lens cheap (by comparison).

The EF 17-40mm f4 L USM is £533. Practically a bargain, especially considering that this is full-frame.

Still, back to the EF-S 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM, £166 for one stop faster, and IS isn't bad, even if it is EF-S.

It does seem a pity that the EF-S 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM is not also full frame, although it would have cost even more. And probably have been an 'L'.
Apologies if this is getting a bit off topic.

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Canoneyesed Regular Member • Posts: 350
Re: NEVER buy anything that is not tested long enough!

spider wrote:
Because He gave us the freedom to choose.

Canoneyesed wrote:

If GOD is perfect, and GOD created you, then why aren't you perfect?

Now if freedom to choose precludes one to be perfect, and God is perfect, then does God not have the freedom to choose? Or, if God does have the freedom to choose and be perfect, then why can't you?

Bambi Brown Contributing Member • Posts: 966
How many 400D WILL buys in the NOT buy thread?
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Antony Smith Junior Member • Posts: 34
Re: I agree

I stand corrected, thanks for the link. I suppose I was just thinking digital SLRs, and my impression was that only Pentax was showing interest in the format.

Tony S

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