Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

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DezM
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Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

I just ordered a Nikon D80 body (here in NYC). The camera will arrive tomorrow. I wanted to get an opinion as to which lens should I buy? A pro photographer friend of mine suggests the Nikon 28-70mm f/2.8 at a price tag of $1335. And at a later date, purchase the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8.

I prefer to get the Nikon 18-200 f/3.5 VR, all-in-one lens at $750. He says that I should spend the extra $ and get the sharper, brighter lens and to not sacrifice on quality.

Pros and cons? I need help before I take the plunge. I want to choose the right lens for my new D80! Any opinions or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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KirkWatts Regular Member • Posts: 458
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

If you can afford the $1335, go for it. You'll only crave it at a later date and make at least a little loss in selling the $750 lens.

DezM wrote:

I just ordered a Nikon D80 body (here in NYC). The camera will
arrive tomorrow. I wanted to get an opinion as to which lens should
I buy? A pro photographer friend of mine suggests the Nikon 28-70mm
f/2.8 at a price tag of $1335. And at a later date, purchase the
Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8.

I prefer to get the Nikon 18-200 f/3.5 VR, all-in-one lens at $750.
He says that I should spend the extra $ and get the sharper,
brighter lens and to not sacrifice on quality.

Pros and cons? I need help before I take the plunge. I want to
choose the right lens for my new D80! Any opinions or suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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AlbieSky Veteran Member • Posts: 3,338
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

The 'pro' lens are heavier and more expensive. If you don't mind the weight and the cost, then buy the 'pro' lenses. The postings on the 18-200 vr are mixed, but I think the majority like the convenience of the 18-200 vr. Maybe you can post on the Nikon Lens forum and ask people who have both the 'pro' lenses and the 18-200vr what they think. I have read enough posts by people, who already own the 17-55 and the 70-200vr, enjoying their 18-200vr lens.
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DezM
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Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

That's exactly what I've been doing. I've read several posts of users loving their 18-200mm VR lens but not exactly liking the "creep" in there lens. I am torn between the two.

I also like the Nikonr 24-85mm f/2.8-4.0 lens.

AlbieSky wrote:

The 'pro' lens are heavier and more expensive. If you don't mind
the weight and the cost, then buy the 'pro' lenses. The postings on
the 18-200 vr are mixed, but I think the majority like the
convenience of the 18-200 vr. Maybe you can post on the Nikon Lens
forum and ask people who have both the 'pro' lenses and the
18-200vr what they think. I have read enough posts by people, who
already own the 17-55 and the 70-200vr, enjoying their 18-200vr
lens.
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DezM
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Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

That's what my friends says. He figures you make the best purchase once, and be happy the rest of the time. Wind up paying more later.'

He also states that bodies come and go and that you can use that better lens on pretty much any future Nikon digital body.

KirkWatts wrote:
If you can afford the $1335, go for it. You'll only crave it at a
later date and make at least a little loss in selling the $750 lens.

DezM wrote:

I just ordered a Nikon D80 body (here in NYC). The camera will
arrive tomorrow. I wanted to get an opinion as to which lens should
I buy? A pro photographer friend of mine suggests the Nikon 28-70mm
f/2.8 at a price tag of $1335. And at a later date, purchase the
Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8.

I prefer to get the Nikon 18-200 f/3.5 VR, all-in-one lens at $750.
He says that I should spend the extra $ and get the sharper,
brighter lens and to not sacrifice on quality.

Pros and cons? I need help before I take the plunge. I want to
choose the right lens for my new D80! Any opinions or suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thanks!
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Dez

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TOF guy Forum Pro • Posts: 15,194
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

Once you've tasted better glass, there is no coming back.

Only a color blind person would use a 18-200 afs vr after using pro grade lenses, unless they absolutely have to (like can't carry both 28-70 and 70-200 for a specific reason).
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DezM
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Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

That's what I'm worried about......carrying multiple lens & switching back and forth. Is the 18-200mm VR that bad?

I've read that the 28-70mm f/2.8 is a heavy lens.

TOF guy wrote:

Once you've tasted better glass, there is no coming back.

Only a color blind person would use a 18-200 afs vr after using pro
grade lenses, unless they absolutely have to (like can't carry both
28-70 and 70-200 for a specific reason).
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TOF guy Forum Pro • Posts: 15,194
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

DezM wrote:

That's what I'm worried about......carrying multiple lens &
switching back and forth. Is the 18-200mm VR that bad?

Here is an informative review:
http://www.bythom.com/18200lens.htm

For a 11x zoom, it seems like the best walk-around lens available today (maybe not just Nikon but any make). So no it is not that bad at all. But it is still an 11x zoom and there is no miracle: you have to close the lens a lot to get very good results.

I've read that the 28-70mm f/2.8 is a heavy lens.

I've got the 70-200 f2.8 vr first. So in comparison the 28-70 f2.8 (which I've bought recently) seems very light! The combo camera and lens is very confortable in my hands.

I first started with the 18-70 D70 kit lens. And like the 18-200 it also got very good reviews in terms of performance for the price. But I've said, once I've tasted the contrast, sharpness and bokeh of a pro grade lens, there is no come back. The only way I would use a lens like the 18-200 today would be that I absolutely can't take my other lenses for some reason, and at the same time absolutely need a 18-200 range. Then I would get that zoom for that occasion.

But a lot of people are very happy with a lens like a 18-200. It satisfies the needs of thousands of people. In the end it depends on what you want to achieve. If this is about snapshots, get the 18-200. If you aim higher, then spend the money on very good glass, and you won't regret it.

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sifilm Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

Get the Tamron 17-50/2.8 ($429 shipped at buydig). Good range on DSLR, much more useful than 28-70/2.8 Nikon. Nikon is VERY heavy.

Then next month add the Tokina 50-135/2.8 when it comes out (around 6 or 700). Then you'll have a very nice 17-135/2.8 kit.

Then get Nikon Capture NX and start shooting RAW for top notch results.

TOF guy Forum Pro • Posts: 15,194
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

sifilm wrote:

Get the Tamron 17-50/2.8 ($429 shipped at buydig).

Don't know much about this lens, but possibly very good price/performance ratio. The 28-75 f2.8 is another consideration.

Good range on
DSLR, much more useful than 28-70/2.8

Depends on what you do. 28-70 is much more useful than 17-50 for portraiture, for instance.

Nikon is VERY heavy.

You don't have one, obviously!

Then next month add the Tokina 50-135/2.8 when it comes out
(around 6 or 700). Then you'll have a very nice 17-135/2.8 kit.

Interesting idea. Certainly worth of consideration.

Then get Nikon Capture NX and start shooting RAW for top notch
results.

Correction: get RawMagick and shoot raw for top notch results.

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sifilm Regular Member • Posts: 267
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

Well I"ve only got 20 yrs of shooting experience so I'll defer to your experience.

But IMO

TOF guy wrote:

sifilm wrote:

Get the Tamron 17-50/2.8 ($429 shipped at buydig).

Don't know much about this lens, but possibly very good
price/performance ratio. The 28-75 f2.8 is another consideration.

Good range on
DSLR, much more useful than 28-70/2.8

Depends on what you do. 28-70 is much more useful than 17-50 for
portraiture, for instance.

For portraits yet. But if you only had one lens in this range it's easier to crop a 17-50 to get the same 70mm FOV. Trying to get 17mm FOV from a 28mm FL is kinda hard to do.

Nikon is VERY heavy.

You don't have one, obviously!

No I don't. Used to have a 17-55/2.8 AFS which is lighter than the 28-70 and that was quite heavy after a long day of shooting.
It's a relative thing, the Tamron is MUCH lighter than the Nikon.

Then next month add the Tokina 50-135/2.8 when it comes out
(around 6 or 700). Then you'll have a very nice 17-135/2.8 kit.

Interesting idea. Certainly worth of consideration.

Then get Nikon Capture NX and start shooting RAW for top notch
results.

Correction: get RawMagick and shoot raw for top notch results.

If I had my druthers I'd stay with RSP but the D80 is not supported and never will be. The workflow with RSP was very nice.

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Dave Wyman Regular Member • Posts: 368
Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

I don't like changing lenses. I love my 18-200mm. It's quite sharp if stopped down a bit (same with the pro lenses), and especially so if used on a tripod (same with the pro lenses).

Lens creep? Don't worry about it - only time it might affect your photography is if you use it pointed up or down, somewhere between 35mm and 135mm, on a tripod. And my guess is you don't intend to use a tripod very often.
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DezM
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Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

I received my D80 body today. This camera is a work of art. It feels good and is packed with great features. Although I still don't have a Nikon lens.

I haven't decided which one to buy. I'm still pondering with all your suggestions!
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John_of_LA Senior Member • Posts: 2,058
DezM... I've answered your question in lens forum (nt)

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Lisa O
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Re: Just ordered a Nikon D80.....

I just got the D80 and I got the Nikon 17-35 2.8 lens. I looked at the 17-55 too but since I really like wide lenses I choose the wide glass but if I wasn't such a WA freak I would have gone with the 17-55. The lenses are similar size and weight but I like the balance of the 17-35 and in digital you need to better lens on the wide end the in the medium focal length or you can get chromatic abberation which I have seen even on really good expensive glass.

Now I need a medium to long lense to use on occasions when I'm not going wide.
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Re: DezM... I've answered your question in lens forum (nt)

Ok, i will check it out
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David Chin Forum Pro • Posts: 11,670
Get the 18-200, and here's why ...

Dez, please do not feel offended if I prejudge your photography inclinations as being more on the casual side of photography, rather than on the professional / pixel peeper side.

Get the 18-200 VR because you ... :
1. Will not be shooting weddings / portraits for pay

2. Like to travel light, and have a lens with a wide zoom range and produce images of acceptable quality

3. Don't spend a lot of time in front of the computer staring at every pixel of your image at 100%

4. Like to go quickly from 18mm wide to snap the huge Arc de Triomphe in front of you (samples of 18mm-type images http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/image/37496630/original , http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/image/37398588/original , http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/image/36311606/original ), to 200mm a split-second later to photograph a candid of an interesting Parisian macaque across the road ( http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/image/62268966/original - ok, they don't really have macaques strolling the streets of Paris). Fit a cheap closeup filter on your lens at 200mm, and you can even take the occasional bug closeup: http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/image/62270120/original

5. Print 99% of your pictures a 4 x 6, a handful at 8 x 10 (12) and are not the type to hold prints 5.3 inches away from your eyes to detect sharpness flaws, in other words, you enjoy flipping through your prints in an album, and hanging prized ones up on your wall

6. Are not going to be submitting images to top-flight stock photography agencies who demand the very best images for onward sale to fussy clients

7. Will occasionally go to a dimly-lit museum where flash is not allowed, where you'll appreciate the VR feature that allows you to handhold the lens and get a reasonably sharp picture at low shutter speeds

8. Snap lots of pictures of friends and family at gatherings in a smallish room, boy, will you be glad for that 18mm wide capability which allows you to include everybody in the picture without having to back out into the garden / balcony

9. Like to capture the occasional wide landscape ... yup, the 18mm end of the lens helps you out a lot there - wait for the right light, compose your shot well, ISO100, f5.6 to f/8, shoot RAW, camera on a good tripod and nobody can tell you're using a value-for-money lens from an 8 x 12 (or larger) print

10. Don't relish the thought of people glancing at you holding big, heavy, 70-200 or 28-70 lenses as you walk around NYC or place your equipment on the table as you sip your coffee.

But, if you're not like what I just described above, yeah go ahead and get the big glass

Oh, btw, if you crave for that occasional "arty-farty"-looking shot with blurred backgrounds, just take out another $100 for the super Nikkor 50mm f/1.8:
http://nikond70s.dpnotes.com/nikkor-50mm-f18-d-af-lens/

The only other thing I would advise is to go to a store and test the lens before purchase. This is very easy to do:
1. Popup your D80 flash, P mode, ISO200, f3.5

2. Set the lens at 18mm and take 2 shots - one focused at the salesperson in front of you (you probably have to go up to him / her real close), and one of the entire store

3. Set the lens at 200mm and take 2 shots - one focused on the salesperson's eyes and another at an object far away, say 20 to 30 feet

4. Get the salesperson to bring up your 4 shots on the computer, and take about 5 minutes to look at them at 100%, corner-to-corner, all over - seems sharp enough? - great, get the lens.

5. If you're genuinely interested, get the salesperson to print the shots out for you at 4 x 6, or the largest (s)he's willing to go - sharp enough? - great, definitely get the lens.

Hope this helps, and good luck with your final decision.

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DezM
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Re: Get the 18-200, and here's why ...

Thank you David Chin. That was a GREAT reply. I am exactly the person you described in your post! Lol.

I will take my D80 body to B&H Photo, once the lens is available and conduct those tests, if they let me.

Thanks again!
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