Another EOS 40D rumour

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Keithgg Regular Member • Posts: 303
Another EOS 40D rumour

From the October 2006 issue of Outdoor Photography (UK).
In the news item announcing the new Nikon D80 they make the statement:

“What’s more, it leapfrogs Canon’s consumer-level cameras the EOS 350D and the EOS 30D, although successor-models to these are almost certain to have been announced by the time you read this.”

A leak, prediction, or only half right?
Time will tell.

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Duarte Lourenco Regular Member • Posts: 296
Half-right

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the 400D/XTi.

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David Martin Forum Pro • Posts: 17,056
Re: Half-right

Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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swardo Contributing Member • Posts: 909
Re: Half-right

upgrade cycles are meaningless in a market that is evolving faster then computers. Canon will do what Canon needs to do to stay competitive-even if that means updating a 6 month old camera (that was just a temporary band-aid in the first place)

Duarte Lourenco Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Half-right

What link?

The quote given uses the plural, yes. But that's not enough to grant a 30D replacement.

David Martin wrote:
Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D
replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well
as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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Duarte Lourenco Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Half-right

The 30D adresses some issues that the 20D "had".

Calling it a band-aid is forgetting about the price difference between the canon and nikon offerings.

Canon will not loose it's market share for the D200 just because the D200 is reacher from a features standpoint and has more Mp. Price in todays market means A LOT.

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David Martin Forum Pro • Posts: 17,056
Re: Half-right

The link to the article in Outdoor Photography.
Not on the net, obviously.
I think you were aware of what I was saying.

Duarte Lourenco wrote:
What link?

The quote given uses the plural, yes. But that's not enough to
grant a 30D replacement.

David Martin wrote:
Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D
replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well
as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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Muddler Regular Member • Posts: 385
Totally wrong

Well, it is totally wrong in two different ways.

First, you are reading it and there is no new 40D (but there was a new Rebel) announcement, so it is wrong there. Yes, I know, October issue, but the mag is obviously out or you couldn't have read it.

Second, the D80 didn't leapfrog the 30D. At most it has a nearly meaningless increase in resolution. The 30D retains the better sensor that more than counters the D80's minor increase in MP, plus the 30D has additional advanced features.

The D80 was a play towards the Rebel market, and Canon just punched Nikon in the face when it announced a lower priced, same resolution, better sensor Rebel model.

The 40D will come when it comes. Probably sometime next year.

Keithgg wrote:

From the October 2006 issue of Outdoor Photography (UK).
In the news item announcing the new Nikon D80 they make the statement:

“What’s more, it leapfrogs Canon’s consumer-level cameras the EOS
350D and the EOS 30D, although successor-models to these are almost
certain to have been announced by the time you read this.”

A leak, prediction, or only half right?
Time will tell.

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Mark B. Forum Pro • Posts: 27,300
Re: Half-right

swardo wrote:

upgrade cycles are meaningless in a market that is evolving faster
then computers. Canon will do what Canon needs to do to stay
competitive-even if that means updating a 6 month old camera (that
was just a temporary band-aid in the first place)

Yes, they could certainly upgrade it next April. Just because some here didn't think it was a worthy successor to the 20D doesn't mean Canon is going to bow to their wishes. I've said it before, but it's worth repeating - if Canon had intended to put the dust buster & 10mp sensor in the 20D successor this year, they would have done it. The 30D is out so obviously that's not their plan. Y'all will have to wait until at least April.

Mark

Duarte Lourenco Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Half-right

David Martin wrote:

The link to the article in Outdoor Photography.
Not on the net, obviously.

Since I already had commented the quote (again I don't think it is meaningful enough to indicate a 30D successor), and since you said "link", and since I don't happen to have the magazine at hand (in my signature it is written that I'm from Portugal, and this magazine is published in the UK), I obviously (and I stress the obvious part) inferred that the link you mentioned might refer to something else, possibly in another thread.

I think you were aware of what I was saying.

I expect you to understand now that I wasn't.

Duarte Lourenco wrote:
What link?

The quote given uses the plural, yes. But that's not enough to
grant a 30D replacement.

David Martin wrote:
Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D
replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well
as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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Hellashot Veteran Member • Posts: 7,234
D80 vs XTi NOT the 30D

So many people are wrong in comparing Canon and nikon cameras against the wrong model. It happens:

200d vs. 5D - wrong: 200d vs. 20/30D
d80 vs. 30D - wrong: d80 vs. XT/XTi

CPersyn Junior Member • Posts: 34
Re: Totally wrong

Muddler wrote:
Well, it is totally wrong in two different ways.

First, you are reading it and there is no new 40D (but there was a
new Rebel) announcement, so it is wrong there. Yes, I know,
October issue, but the mag is obviously out or you couldn't have
read it.

Second, the D80 didn't leapfrog the 30D. At most it has a nearly
meaningless increase in resolution. The 30D retains the better
sensor that more than counters the D80's minor increase in MP, plus
the 30D has additional advanced features.

The D80 was a play towards the Rebel market, and Canon just punched
Nikon in the face when it announced a lower priced, same
resolution, better sensor Rebel model.

The 40D will come when it comes. Probably sometime next year.

Keithgg wrote:

From the October 2006 issue of Outdoor Photography (UK).
In the news item announcing the new Nikon D80 they make the statement:

“What’s more, it leapfrogs Canon’s consumer-level cameras the EOS
350D and the EOS 30D, although successor-models to these are almost
certain to have been announced by the time you read this.”

A leak, prediction, or only half right?
Time will tell.

Which camera has the superior sensor has yet to be seen.

Personally, the XT and XTi aren't much of a consideration for me...they don't feel comfortable in my hands. Some will say that is a minor or secondary concern, others will suggest to remedy it with a battery grip...personally I look at it like a running shoe....it could have a great performance price ratio...but if they're not comfortable to wear..they'll just stay in your closet.

I'm looking to step into the DSLR market and will be choosing between the D80 and 30D. I've been monitoring both the N and C forums...and I must say...the brand loyalists on BOTH sides have such an arrogance that it is a chore to find the pure information.

Hopefully we'll see full reviews on the cameras with images sampled from a controlled environment with a reduced variance in outside factors (kit glass)

With the release of all of the newer bodies to the market, I do hope to see a small drop in the pricing on the 30D...it may just be enough to bring me to the Canon camp..

thereur Regular Member • Posts: 158
Agreed

I don't know that it's that hard. Yes, there is a bit of static, but the first I saw a link of samples showing how good the D80 at high ISO, was here on the Canon board. I'd say the majority of posts have good tips on comparing.

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David Martin Forum Pro • Posts: 17,056
Re: Half-right

Here's a link to the magazine then - but the October edition is not on the web yet:
http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

David Martin wrote:

The link to the article in Outdoor Photography.
Not on the net, obviously.

Since I already had commented the quote (again I don't think it is
meaningful enough to indicate a 30D successor), and since you said
"link", and since I don't happen to have the magazine at hand (in
my signature it is written that I'm from Portugal, and this
magazine is published in the UK), I obviously (and I stress the
obvious part) inferred that the link you mentioned might refer to
something else, possibly in another thread.

I think you were aware of what I was saying.

I expect you to understand now that I wasn't.

Duarte Lourenco wrote:
What link?

The quote given uses the plural, yes. But that's not enough to
grant a 30D replacement.

David Martin wrote:
Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D
replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well
as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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iliask Senior Member • Posts: 1,206
D80 vs XTi NOT the 30D - Why???

Hellashot wrote:

So many people are wrong in comparing Canon and nikon cameras
against the wrong model. It happens:

200d vs. 5D - wrong: 200d vs. 20/30D
d80 vs. 30D - wrong: d80 vs. XT/XTi

I'm not a Nikon guy, but if I was in the market for a new camera system today I'd probably pick the D80 over the 30D and still save a bundle for lenses.

How is the price difference between the D80 and 30D justified, feature for feature?

Ilias

Duarte Lourenco Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Half-right

That's the US magazine "Outdoor Photographer" and not the UK "Outdoor Photography"...

And I don't need to read the magazine, the op has quoted the rumour, I trust that quote and the discussion is based on that.

Anyway, lets move on and keep the discussion at the original subject.

David Martin wrote:
Here's a link to the magazine then - but the October edition is not
on the web yet:
http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

David Martin wrote:

The link to the article in Outdoor Photography.
Not on the net, obviously.

Since I already had commented the quote (again I don't think it is
meaningful enough to indicate a 30D successor), and since you said
"link", and since I don't happen to have the magazine at hand (in
my signature it is written that I'm from Portugal, and this
magazine is published in the UK), I obviously (and I stress the
obvious part) inferred that the link you mentioned might refer to
something else, possibly in another thread.

I think you were aware of what I was saying.

I expect you to understand now that I wasn't.

Duarte Lourenco wrote:
What link?

The quote given uses the plural, yes. But that's not enough to
grant a 30D replacement.

David Martin wrote:
Whether youa re correct or not about it being too early for a 30D
replacement, the link given was certainly referring to one, as well
as the 400D

Duarte Lourenco wrote:

It's too early for a 30D substitute, the scoop was refering to the
400D/XTi.

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David Giacomini Contributing Member • Posts: 527
Re: D80 vs XTi NOT the 30D

I actually don't think there is a "correct" comparison. Reality and camera sales are the ultimate dedicing factor. If Canon intended for the XTi to go against the D80 but in reality consumers are comparing the 30D to the 80D then that is just reality. You can't really say people are wrong. On a similar note, if the vast majority of consumers and camera sales people tout megapixels, it is going to be a major purchasing factor. You and I and most of the people here know that there is more to comparing cameras than simply megapixels but unfortunately, we only represent a small minority among camera buyers.

Muddler Regular Member • Posts: 385
Re: Agreed

Was that "how good" or "how bad?" What I saw were samples showing the same old higher noise levels for Nikon.

I'm not sure why it remains to be seen which sensor is better. The results are out there. Nikon has slighly more MP and more noise. If you shoot only in well lit areas, go for Nikon if you otherwise like it.

But the comparison of the D80 with the 30D? That seems odd. Better comparison is D80 with 400D.

thereur wrote:

I don't know that it's that hard. Yes, there is a bit of static,
but the first I saw a link of samples showing how good the D80 at
high ISO, was here on the Canon board. I'd say the majority of
posts have good tips on comparing.

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jankanpaa Contributing Member • Posts: 669
Muddler

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19638271&q=d80+iso+1600&qf=s

Doesn´t look that bad for being a Nikon cam...

Why don´t you just relax man... Nikon improving (?) its high iso performance doesn´t make you a worse photographer, does it ... Nor quoting Ansel Adams a better one...

Muddler wrote:
Was that "how good" or "how bad?" What I saw were samples showing
the same old higher noise levels for Nikon.

I'm not sure why it remains to be seen which sensor is better. The
results are out there. Nikon has slighly more MP and more noise.
If you shoot only in well lit areas, go for Nikon if you otherwise
like it.

But the comparison of the D80 with the 30D? That seems odd.
Better comparison is D80 with 400D.

thereur wrote:

I don't know that it's that hard. Yes, there is a bit of static,
but the first I saw a link of samples showing how good the D80 at
high ISO, was here on the Canon board. I'd say the majority of
posts have good tips on comparing.

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Muddler Regular Member • Posts: 385
Re: Muddler

jankanpaa wrote:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19638271&q=d80+iso+1600&qf=s

Doesn´t look that bad for being a Nikon cam...

For Nikon it might not be bad, but if you look at those photos you do see higher noise. I'm sure if you do searching around the web for sample shots you'll see the same thing. Higher resolution means nothing if you get noise as your noise filters will destroy that extra resolution and then some.

Anyway, I don't see the point in a comparison between the D80 and the 30D. They are not similar lines of cameras and they are not meant for the same entry-level consumer. The better comparison will be between the D80 and the 400D, which are much similar cameras and meant for the entry-level DSLR shooter.

For anyone out there looking for which brand to buy, keep an eye on the D80 and the 400D reviews and samples and make your product line choice from there.

Why don´t you just relax man... Nikon improving (?) its high iso
performance doesn´t make you a worse photographer, does it ... Nor
quoting Ansel Adams a better one...

No, Nikon improving doesn't make me better or worse because I don't use their cameras. However, when someone posts up about a comparison, I think it is worth being accurate so that people who are considering which entry level camera to buy can get a real feal for the pros and cons of each line of cameras. Nikon's low light ability doesn't matter to me directly, but it sure does matter to those that buy their cameras.

As to my Ansel Adams quote, I guess you're trying to be cute or just outright insulting, as your general tone denotes. The quote is meant to get people thinking and I find it insightful.

Muddler wrote:
Was that "how good" or "how bad?" What I saw were samples showing
the same old higher noise levels for Nikon.

I'm not sure why it remains to be seen which sensor is better. The
results are out there. Nikon has slighly more MP and more noise.
If you shoot only in well lit areas, go for Nikon if you otherwise
like it.

But the comparison of the D80 with the 30D? That seems odd.
Better comparison is D80 with 400D.

thereur wrote:

I don't know that it's that hard. Yes, there is a bit of static,
but the first I saw a link of samples showing how good the D80 at
high ISO, was here on the Canon board. I'd say the majority of
posts have good tips on comparing.

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