D60 - not rumor!!!

Started Dec 31, 2001 | Discussions
Al Goldis Senior Member • Posts: 1,185
Re: What will Canon screw up on the next camera?

LOL! Touche.

Michael Martin wrote:

Yes but given the track record of Canon with digital imaging: bad
autofocus on the D30 and banding on the 1D, they won't get it right.

Andrew Grant Senior Member • Posts: 2,219
Re: In defence of Peter Gregg

Benjamin Chang wrote:

From what I read many readers of this forum are more concern about
their equipment rather than their ability to take good pictures.

Well this is a photo equipment forum, specifically Canon digital SLRs.

Perhaps Mr. Askey should split this forum up into 3 sub - sections:

Canon digital SLR- gadget freaks

That is largely what this forum is.

Canon digital SLR- photography

There is very little about photography that is specific to Canon's digital SLRs. If you want to talk about photography perhaps you should widen your choice of forums and websites. The site http://www.photo.net is a great source of photography discussion that is not equipment specific.

Canon digital SLR- rumours ONLY

What would a photo equipment forum be without rumours. A Rob Galbraith forum http://www.robgalbraith.com .

DavidP Forum Pro • Posts: 29,088
Re: Careful, now!

Keep up that wishing, and I'll nominate you to be moderator.

And remember, if all the good folks leave, what'll be left?

JCDoss wrote:

This forum has degenerated a fair amount in the past few months.
So much so that I wouldn't blame any of us "founders" for wanting
to go elsewhere. So little learning, sharing, and bouncing ideas
off each other and so much MUCH more bitching, moaning, griping
(about the same things over and over and over), idiotic stupid
questions that are easily found in the manual or at Canon's
website, and now we're seeing unbelievable personal attacks (in
this thread particularly) on people who really don't deserve it...
I think Phil needs a moderator.

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DavidP Forum Pro • Posts: 29,088
Re: PS -- I set the wrong tone

My initial reply to Peter was based on an apparent misunderstanding/misreading by me of his post.

Here's the quote:

"Here is the info I got. First, there is NO spec's or time schedule on it's release. Got it? To those that are salivating instead of reading, no info was given from Canon on it's features or release schedule."

To me, that sounded like Canon had no idea of the camera's specs or it's future release at this time, yet was going to "Demo" the camera in February. Which is what led to my sarcastic reply.

Apparently, upon further reading in the thread, what was meant is that Canon HAS that info, but didn't give it to the person who's going to demo it. (Good thing, too, perhaps -- was he supposed to even let people know he'd be giving a demo of it?)--The Unofficial Photographer of The Wilkinsons http://thewilkinsons.crosswinds.net

Matt Kim Contributing Member • Posts: 975
Re: How bout a cold one?

Oh, don't be such a baby... I remember the 1D rumors being much
worse.

Anyhow, have you checked out the Nikon forum? Talk about a bunch of
narrow minded, whiney baboons! Go in there for about 5 mins, you'll
think the Canon SLR forum was the best forum on earth.

Matt

Mike Kelley wrote:

JCDoss wrote:

Mike Kelley wrote:

this isn't an obnoxious thread as
the one about jimwww who sold his D30 (who seems like a blithering
idiot -- if I knew as little as he obviously did before I spent
thousands of dollars I'd deserve a quick punch in the head with a
2x4).

Wow... you and jimwww must be bestest buddies! Bet you guys go
out for beers after work on Fridays!

I agree with your post 100% (and the one in the other thread, which
I wouldn't dare comment on,,, since the fool comments are already
starting to roll in.).

Actually, JC, I was this close to giving up this whole forum
after reading and commenting in that thread. I feel so old and
tired I don't know where to begin anymore.

Perhaps I wasn't too tactful -- I dunno, I just can't even bring
myself to looking in on that thread again (so I won't). As you
know, I've made great friends here, but I also seem to have to
suffer some of the worse fools around.

My New Year Resolution -- to suffer fools gladly.
--
Mike
http://www.kelleytown.com

Scott Olds Senior Member • Posts: 1,112
My greatest fears

I think that this forum has degenerated quite a bit lately and this is leaving me with two great fears:

A) We're going to get a moderator. I visit Rob Galbraith's site and while I do find it interesting, the moderation there is somewhat repressive IMHO.

B) We're going to lose more good people. Over the last year we HAVE lost some good people who contributed a lot. If we continue with the name calling and flaming back and forth we're going to lose more. When I hear people like Mike Kelley (who I have disagreed with more than once but who contributes regularly) talk about leaving we are all at risk of losing. It only takes one meaningful post to have their presence worthwhile. For example, Mike's mention of the Wacom tablet led me to get one. Without his one initial message I wouldn't have looked into this anytime soon.

A simple rule: If you don't like it IGNORE IT. Posts with NO RESPONSES die quickly here. Let the bad ones die a simple death.

DavidP wrote:
Keep up that wishing, and I'll nominate you to be moderator.

And remember, if all the good folks leave, what'll be left?

JCDoss wrote:

This forum has degenerated a fair amount in the past few months.
So much so that I wouldn't blame any of us "founders" for wanting
to go elsewhere. So little learning, sharing, and bouncing ideas
off each other and so much MUCH more bitching, moaning, griping
(about the same things over and over and over), idiotic stupid
questions that are easily found in the manual or at Canon's
website, and now we're seeing unbelievable personal attacks (in
this thread particularly) on people who really don't deserve it...
I think Phil needs a moderator.

JCDoss
JCDoss Veteran Member • Posts: 3,219
Re: Two examples...

Scott Olds wrote:

B) We're going to lose more good people. Over the last year we
HAVE lost some good people who contributed a lot....

When's the last time you've seen Furrukh Khan contribute to this forum? Now, it could be that his busy professional life took him over, but he used to be a regular contributor and an extremely helpful person. He simply vanished a few months ago.

Another good contributor is Daniel Lauring. I see he's posted a few messages just today, but he's spent far less time posting here than he used to. I remember some significant lens tests he ran and posted here, which cleared the air about some Sigma v Canon questions.

Again, maybe they took a hiatus for other reasons, but the fact is that this forum was a very different place last year.

JCDoss

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DavidP Forum Pro • Posts: 29,088
Re: Two examples...

I suspect they simply found more important things to do.

I certainly do, but I'm addicted.

(Hopefully to the good info and good friends, and not as a spectator to the flame wars).

Danged internet and forums. Just what DID we do with our lives before them?

JCDoss wrote:

When's the last time you've seen Furrukh Khan contribute to this
forum? Now, it could be that his busy professional life took him
over, but he used to be a regular contributor and an extremely
helpful person. He simply vanished a few months ago.

Another good contributor is Daniel Lauring. I see he's posted a
few messages just today, but he's spent far less time posting here
than he used to. I remember some significant lens tests he ran and
posted here, which cleared the air about some Sigma v Canon
questions.

Again, maybe they took a hiatus for other reasons, but the fact is
that this forum was a very different place last year.

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kelleym Contributing Member • Posts: 888
Thoughtful, intelligent and helpful people...outnumbered?

Matt Kim wrote:

Anyhow, have you checked out the Nikon forum? Talk about a bunch of
narrow minded, whiney baboons! Go in there for about 5 mins, you'll
think the Canon SLR forum was the best forum on earth.

I used to be active on the Nikon forum, when I first started with the 990. Indeed, I think you're mostly correct about this forum being quite wonderful in comparison (although I made many good friends on the Nikon forum as well -- funny enough, most of them migrated here with the D30).

I actually think most of the people who have participated here over the last six months (and those going back even longer, before there was a separate Canon SLR forum) are intelligent, thoughtful and helpful individuals whom I'd love to buy a cold one. Someone like Scott (who indeed I have disagreed with at times) fits that category. I am desperately not trying to be elitist but it does seem there are more and more people participating here who do not fit that category -- it's very useless to engage in discussion with those people.

I want to be clear, here -- I was not upset by the original poster here sharing the information he had. I'm actually more reacting to the thread somewhere else (which I won't even revisit) that sounded so inane I could barely bring myself to respond to it. Perhaps I shouldn't have -- as Al notes, you can simply ignore the "noise" and only read the relevent posts. I've tried at times to read nearly everything in the misguided thought that maybe I could be of help in some threads and if you don't read it all it's easy to miss follow up questions or something else that triggers some useful scrap of info I might have floating around in this old brain. Then I've gone into the "Only Read Topic Headings that Interest Me" mode -- but that didn't work on the "Sold D30" thread.

So now I'm going into the "Only Read Threads where there are no more than 1 or 2 replies" mode. In this way I can provide info that already hasn't been covered, I'll be able to stay out of flame wars, and still provide some participation. I think that's the only way I can continue here.

(So since this thread no longer qualifies, I'll bid adieu -- oh, all right, I'll stick around long enough to see if anyone wants to talk about this :> ).--Mike http://www.kelleytown.com

John Foote Senior Member • Posts: 1,035
Re: Two examples...

I'm pretty sure Flash Master Furrukh just got too busy with his University and young family. If you recall, he signed off, regretfully, due to time constraints. People come and people go, but we do miss Furrukh... Sigh.

All together now... 'Saw this (insert) as I was driving to work today.' John

JCDoss wrote:

When's the last time you've seen Furrukh Khan contribute to this
forum? Now, it could be that his busy professional life took him
over, but he used to be a regular contributor and an extremely
helpful person. He simply vanished a few months ago.

Scott Olds Senior Member • Posts: 1,112
Re: Two examples...

I think we took photos

DavidP wrote:
I suspect they simply found more important things to do.

I certainly do, but I'm addicted.

(Hopefully to the good info and good friends, and not as a
spectator to the flame wars).

Danged internet and forums. Just what DID we do with our lives
before them?

JCDoss wrote:

When's the last time you've seen Furrukh Khan contribute to this
forum? Now, it could be that his busy professional life took him
over, but he used to be a regular contributor and an extremely
helpful person. He simply vanished a few months ago.

Another good contributor is Daniel Lauring. I see he's posted a
few messages just today, but he's spent far less time posting here
than he used to. I remember some significant lens tests he ran and
posted here, which cleared the air about some Sigma v Canon
questions.

Again, maybe they took a hiatus for other reasons, but the fact is
that this forum was a very different place last year.

boarderphreak
boarderphreak Senior Member • Posts: 1,862
Too harsh?

Michael Martin wrote:

Lee Rothman wrote:

For all we know they may well call the next (improved) D30 a EOS 3D
as it may well incorporate much of the EOS 3's features with a
(hopefully) at least 6-10mp CMOS and eye control focus. Wouldn't
that be awesome?

Yes but given the track record of Canon with digital imaging: bad
autofocus on the D30 and banding on the 1D, they won't get it right.

Ahhh, I think you're being too critical of Canon... Sure, there are "issues" with their two big models, but this whole "digital thing" is a learning experience for everyone. Granted, cameras costing this much money really should be tested and fine-tuned and perhaps run past focus groups more thouroughly first.

When digital imaging is as commonplace and time-tested as 35mm film, I think we can be more critical of Canon and other manufacturers!

Of course, I'm not saying that I wish the D30 had a few small improvements - AF being one (but I find it not to be that bad)... MY big gripe with the D30 is the lack of a backlight on the top LCD! WTF? How are you supposed to change the metering, AF, WB or ISO in the dark? Yeah, yeah - carry a flashlight...

Kenny Frank Contributing Member • Posts: 641
Re: Too harsh?

Change it in the viewfinder.... no?

Kenny Frank

boarderphreak wrote:

Michael Martin wrote:

Lee Rothman wrote:

For all we know they may well call the next (improved) D30 a EOS 3D
as it may well incorporate much of the EOS 3's features with a
(hopefully) at least 6-10mp CMOS and eye control focus. Wouldn't
that be awesome?

Yes but given the track record of Canon with digital imaging: bad
autofocus on the D30 and banding on the 1D, they won't get it right.

Ahhh, I think you're being too critical of Canon... Sure, there
are "issues" with their two big models, but this whole "digital
thing" is a learning experience for everyone. Granted, cameras
costing this much money really should be tested and fine-tuned and
perhaps run past focus groups more thouroughly first.

When digital imaging is as commonplace and time-tested as 35mm
film, I think we can be more critical of Canon and other
manufacturers!

Of course, I'm not saying that I wish the D30 had a few small
improvements - AF being one (but I find it not to be that bad)...
MY big gripe with the D30 is the lack of a backlight on the top
LCD! WTF? How are you supposed to change the metering, AF, WB or
ISO in the dark? Yeah, yeah - carry a flashlight...

Trenton Regular Member • Posts: 409
D60? That name suggests lower model than D30.

Are you sure you got the name right, Pete?

Usually with Canon, the lower the number, the higher up the camera is on the food chain. A D60 would indicate it's a less feature-laden camera than the D30. It seems like a D20 or a D3 would follow Canon's naming ideology. (i.e. EOS 1, 3, 5, 10s, 30, 50, 300, 500, etc...)

Trenton

boarderphreak
boarderphreak Senior Member • Posts: 1,862
Re: Too harsh?

Kenny Frank wrote:

Change it in the viewfinder.... no?

Only the focus point(s) and shutter/aperture settings, along with the exposure compensation...

The viewfinder doesn't show ISO, metering pattern, AF mode (servo, etc.), frames remaining, etc.

The 1V has a backlight...

Inge Stubdal Regular Member • Posts: 266
Re: Two examples...

I am a regular 2browser" here, but I don't post too much. I have however other forums where I have been very active, but then time has not permitted me to keep up that level of activity - and real life does take its time

In any case, a few shots from Northern Norway:

(copyrights apply :P)

http://www.stubdal.net/bilder

Some of the night shots are 30 sec exposures (I guess I didn't read too closely the info on star trails...). I corrected a few pictures where tha camera was less than level. Otherwise a little leveling, but thats it.

The northern lights were all but invisible to the eye, so I was suprised that they came out so good with a 30 sec exposure (iso 100).

Ciao

DavidP wrote:
I suspect they simply found more important things to do.

I certainly do, but I'm addicted.

(Hopefully to the good info and good friends, and not as a
spectator to the flame wars).

Danged internet and forums. Just what DID we do with our lives
before them?

JCDoss wrote:

When's the last time you've seen Furrukh Khan contribute to this
forum? Now, it could be that his busy professional life took him
over, but he used to be a regular contributor and an extremely
helpful person. He simply vanished a few months ago.

Another good contributor is Daniel Lauring. I see he's posted a
few messages just today, but he's spent far less time posting here
than he used to. I remember some significant lens tests he ran and
posted here, which cleared the air about some Sigma v Canon
questions.

Again, maybe they took a hiatus for other reasons, but the fact is
that this forum was a very different place last year.

boarderphreak
boarderphreak Senior Member • Posts: 1,862
Perhaps

Trenton wrote:

Usually with Canon, the lower the number, the higher up the camera
is on the food chain. A D60 would indicate it's a less
feature-laden camera than the D30. It seems like a D20 or a D3
would follow Canon's naming ideology. (i.e. EOS 1, 3, 5, 10s, 30,
50, 300, 500, etc...)

You know, I thought the same thing...

It does hold true for FILM cameras, but as someone else pointed out (a reply to my exact same observation I believe, in this thread) that their DIGITAL cameras seem to count upwards as they get better. Of course, this holds true for their consumer-level cameras...

I don't think the D30/1D fall into this camp, so it could be a toss-up...

Paul S. Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: Too harsh?

boarderphreak wrote:

Kenny Frank wrote:

Change it in the viewfinder.... no?

Only the focus point(s) and shutter/aperture settings, along with
the exposure compensation...

The viewfinder doesn't show ISO, metering pattern, AF mode (servo,
etc.), frames remaining, etc.

The 1V has a backlight...

Lack of an LCD backlight was one of the reasons I sold my Elan 7 and bought an EOS 3. Now with the D30 I'm running into some of the same headaches, though they aren't as severe, IMHO. The ISO setting can be changed from the menu on the rear LCD. Also, if you push the "Info" button while not in playback mode, it will display some info about the camera's current state. I think it will show the metering pattern, etc. What would be really nice is a mode where the D30 displays a clone of the top LCD on the rear LCD. This would not only be handy at night, but also when the camera is on a tripod and you can't see the top LCD.

As for flashlights, I'm a big convert to LED-based lights (huge battery life, and very dependable). I always carry a "Micro-Light(tm)" on my keychain for these occasions.

http://www.photonlight.com/

Paul S. Regular Member • Posts: 239
Re: D60? That name suggests lower model than D30.

Trenton wrote:

Are you sure you got the name right, Pete?

Usually with Canon, the lower the number, the higher up the camera
is on the food chain. A D60 would indicate it's a less
feature-laden camera than the D30. It seems like a D20 or a D3
would follow Canon's naming ideology. (i.e. EOS 1, 3, 5, 10s, 30,
50, 300, 500, etc...)

Canon's product numbering schemes are even more confused than Nikon's. I think about the only conclusion you can draw from them is that the numbers are obtained by having chimpanzees throw darts at a large board with numbers painted on it.

David Birkin Veteran Member • Posts: 3,022
where did it all go wrong?

hi all,

there are very few of us whom have been here since day one. how many can actually remember the day that phil made this forum and asked "us" to move the SLR talk over? i believe this has resulted in some of us "growing up" together, we have no got over that stage of "is this lens any good". we can make our own mind, so no longer ask the question.

DavidP wrote:

Keep up that wishing, and I'll nominate you to be moderator.

this has been discussed at length off-list, though i do not think it would make any difference. one cannot delete someones "what do u think to the 28-135IS?" post just because it has been posted many times before. if i were mod. i'd lock the thread, posting a message that the person in question might consider doing a search. That said, there's nothing wrong in expressing new opinions and ideas.

And remember, if all the good folks leave, what'll be left?

so many have gone already. there used to be many ppl here whom i really respected, now there are only a few. it's a sad state of affairs, but that's life.

i do think it might help if phil had a "no rumour" rule, and locked offending threads. but then what would we write about? photography...heaven forbid.

as for person attacks, phil takes them seriously, if brought to his attention.

take care.

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