Probably bye-bye Canon for me...

[pc168]

If size does matter, and SSS is important to you, then A100 would be your choice. However, if I were a newbie to DSLR, I would choose either Canon or Nikon merely for their lens system.

Now that full specs are known I guess I'm getting closer to dumping
Canon in favor of noisy A100 (mainly because of SSS).

 

[Mrfixitx]

have you seen the pictures coming out of that toy ? (Alpha).

Yes, I've seen many A100 pictures including from Phil who gave it
"Highly Recommended". Up to ISO800 and in good hands it offers
incredible resolution, detail and colors. At ISO 1600 it basically
sucks big time.

Take a look at Phil's DSLR reviews, he gives most DSLR's a "Highly recommended" so the A100 having it does not mean much.

I hate to break your bubble as well, from several reports the in camera AS/SSS/IS does not work to well on longer lenses. If all you plan to use are short telephoto lenses or wide angle then you should be happy. On the other hand if you want to use longer lenses its probably not going to give the 2-3stops of improvement.

Mr. Fixitx

 

[SNGX1327]

I say this because I put much more value in the
user interface than a stop better noise performance that is utterly
easily to overcome.

what? learning a camera's interface is something you have to do regardless of the brand. did you pick up a canon and instantly know how to use it? nikon? whatever?

i don't know about you or most other photographers in this forum, but personally, i'd take a full stop better performance if it meant my LCD was installed upside down

basically shutter speed IS photography, for most of us. unless you own a tripod and shoot strictly landscapes, 90% of the time we are always concentrated on our shutter speed.

or i suppose you could only take your camera out in the noon-time sun with a 17-50mm lens on it

 

[steve maec]

Sony just got into dsl and could stop at any time.If they dont see big money

being made they could walk away.Then the camera wont be worth much,at least canon and nikon will stay with t.

 

[ellover009]

Well with all the recalls of dell and apple because of the SONY batteries they used that self destruct would make me think twice about getting something sony at the moment. I would still love to get the PS3 on lauch date but you get stuck with early adaptor syndrome, means that the first batch of a product is not always as nice because they first units are usually rushed production, and most of time the kinks haven't been worked out. Can you immagine taking pictures with the alpha then having the battery self destuct while it's in your hands. I can see that canon is not makin innovation leaps but remember that if they make something too good I'll take business away from the 30D sales. Nikon is pretty much all set, they do a better job when it comes to camera exterior built feel wich is nice across the board, canon cripples the built quality to force people to spend more.

 

[gavin]

I am hoping the new 10Mp CMOS still has the good noise performance. I jumped on Canon due to best sensor of the lot and it is still true.

 

[Brett St Pierre]

Now that full specs are known I guess I'm getting closer to dumping
Canon in favor of noisy A100 (mainly because of SSS).

.. or Pentax 10mp with Shake reduction, good buffer and lower noise and quality body to be announced on 13 Sept. (plus you get access to superb Pentax glass, pancake lenses, Limiteds) Prices look good too..

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[Raoul Oscar]

Hi all,

I just wonder why all of you seems really p*ssed off, gruntled, and bothered if anyone decides to leave Canon in favor of other brand?

I mean... its his choice, he is just telling us all that he is leaving. Its personal preference, he chose SSS over the expensive lenses is a reasonable decision. He stays with Canon doesn't give you any profit anyway, you didn't get commission from Canon for holding people and bashing other photographers with their 'non-canon' gears.

The comment above doesn't directed to all of you, but there are some people who bash other cameras/photographers that dont use Canon, not necessarily in this thread, but at least they're in this Canon SLR or Canon SLR Lens forum.

Thanks

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[LPTA]

Sony products? no thanks... they might put a root kit by installing their software. No Sony product for me...
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[Torque124]

They're not bashing him , rather his decison of announcing the decision to "leave" . Who cares ? Just go and be happy ; don't flood the board with useless posts.

I don't care if all of you left and I would be alone writing my own posts and reading them day after day after day ... I would still shoot Canon , hey.

Hi all,

I just wonder why all of you seems really p*ssed off, gruntled, and
bothered if anyone decides to leave Canon in favor of other brand?

I mean... its his choice, he is just telling us all that he is
leaving. Its personal preference, he chose SSS over the expensive
lenses is a reasonable decision. He stays with Canon doesn't give
you any profit anyway, you didn't get commission from Canon for
holding people and bashing other photographers with their
'non-canon' gears.

The comment above doesn't directed to all of you, but there are
some people who bash other cameras/photographers that dont use
Canon, not necessarily in this thread, but at least they're in this
Canon SLR or Canon SLR Lens forum.

Thanks

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[Pusseapa]

Yes, I am a bit disappointed with 400D too, as imo Canon instead of
innovating like Nikon, they are taking their pieces and mostly
repackaging stuff from their higher models, while p*ssing ppl with
absolutly unnecessary ommissions (auto ISO in manual, Tv, Av modes,
ISO in viewfinder). My belowed Amiga did it, and died that way

But hey - life is short 400D is going to be my first camera. My
ideal one would be - a 30D, but that is not my price level. What
was really important and the biggest worry for me is - high iso
performance, as I shoot often parties and concerts. First ISO1600
image appeared - not sure if it is out of the camera, but if it is,
then I am satisfied ...

But I have a good and acceptable strategy for me - I have to START
somehow. And START, does NOT mean THE END. 400D is a good start,
with back up strategy already in place - 400D display set-up is
clearly just to prepare us for OLED display, so in the future I
would expect even higher models not to offer status LCD. As time
will go by, I can buy used 30D, or even new model, still 400D will
be good as second body, mainly for travelling, or for my girlfriend.

I disagree. I do not think that the higher end models will ditch the status LCD because there will always be room for that on the top of the camera. Perhaps the 40d will have a 3" OLED screen on back + status screen on top.....

I also know, that DSLR world is about lens world you are buying
into, and I am already decided for:

• 50/1.8
• 70-300 IS
• Tamron 17-55/2.8

... as starters ...

Good choices (i guess you mean Tamron 17-50/2.8 btw)

Would not trade Canon lens world and ISO performance for something
such noisy as high ISO of Sony, especially knowing, that next Canon
model can fix most of our worries ...

Cheers,
Petr

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[Pusseapa]

.. or Pentax 10mp with Shake reduction, good buffer and lower noise
and quality body to be announced on 13 Sept. (plus you get access
to superb Pentax glass, pancake lenses, Limiteds) Prices look good
too..

Gotta love Pentax, I hope they make such an impression with their new camera, that Canon is more likely to get a grip on their rebel line.

(I really like my 350d though)

 

[pekr]

I disagree. I do not think that the higher end models will ditch
the status LCD because there will always be room for that on the
top of the camera. Perhaps the 40d will have a 3" OLED screen on
back + status screen on top.....

OK, maybe they will .... OLED based, as with today's cell phones - two displays - one status, one full fledged. Even status ones switched to OLED

• 50/1.8
• 70-300 IS
• Tamron 17-55/2.8

... as starters ...

Good choices (i guess you mean Tamron 17-50/2.8 btw)

Of course, sorry. I just don't know if I should go to 17-50/2.8 directly, or go with kit lens as a nobrainer. Well, it may as well be matter of money initially. I also wonder - will Tamron focus as fast as kit lens or at least comparatively? I would like the Tamron being my wolkaround ...

Petr

 

[007peter]

I've analyzed your lens collection (Sigma 17-70 f2.8-4.5 DC, Sigma 18-50 f2.8 EX, Canon EF 35 f2, 50 f1.8 MkII, 28-135 IS), and you should definitely go for the Alpha 100. Better yet, buy my old Konica Minolta 5D from me (only 3 months before I've upgradedto Canon 30D).

Buildin IS is really great: imagine transforming all your gear into:
Sigma 17-70 IS
Sigma 18-50 IS
Canon 35 F2 IS
Canon 50 f1.8 Is

However, minolta doesn't focus as fast as Canon. I needed fast focusing, and Canon 30D was really the only choice. Good luck
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[Bob Sakamano]

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[Pusseapa]

• 50/1.8
• 70-300 IS
• Tamron 17-55/2.8

... as starters ...

Good choices (i guess you mean Tamron 17-50/2.8 btw)

Of course, sorry. I just don't know if I should go to 17-50/2.8
directly, or go with kit lens as a nobrainer. Well, it may as well
be matter of money initially. I also wonder - will Tamron focus as
fast as kit lens or at least comparatively? I would like the Tamron
being my wolkaround ...

Petr

Yes, I've owned both the kit lens (ofcourse), the Sigma 18-50/2.8, Tamron 17-50/2.8 and now Tamron 28-75/2.8.

I haven't nociced any big difference in focusing speed between the four, however i reckon the focusing accuracy feels more secure with the kit lens. This could be an illusion though, and don't take my word for it.

Also, the 400d has an improved center AF specifically suited for f2.8 lenses, so the Sigmas and Tamrons might be superb on the 400d.

Of all tested, the Tam 28-75 is the sharpest, but not by a large margin. The Sigma has a bit too warm tone to it, is extremely sharp in the center, but has poor corner performance, The Tam 17-50 is very sharp all over, even corners, but it suffers from some distortion and the AF is by far the loudest.

I would have kept the Tam 17-50 though, but since I photograph a lot of artwork, I needed a zoom which didn't bend the frames of the paintings .

i've put up a few tests of my lenses here:
http://hem.bredband.net/b288577/tamron1750/tamron1750vscanon1855.htm

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[johnc51]

U R suffering from HUA syndrome I believe;-)
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[David Martin]

..and perhaps you could allow him to discuss cameras without making rude and inappropriate comments.
His reasons are interesting to me, if not to you.

Perhaps you are less than ideally suited to conducting discussions, as you seem to have great trouble with the basic idea of people having different perspectives.

why not getting the Sony? It's important to your photograhy. If
you're already made up your mind, why stay here and whine? I would
go to the store and purchase the A100 right now if I were you. Have
fun with your Sony...
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[David Martin]

I find your logic fine, and that sounds like the right choice to you, in the way you use the camera.

The only thing which would worry me a bit is the cost of Sony glass, which seems pretty crazy.
Have you looked at the Pentax system at all?
Very compact, some nice glass - all fine if you don't need fast AF.
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[Hellashot]

I would feel ashambed carrying around anything with "sony" on it. Their stuff is not high quality - just a brand name. You'll have far fewer choices of high quality sonolta brand lenses to choose from. Canon has great glass and lots of it.

From what I've heard - you can get in-camera IS with sonolta, but you end up paying more for their higher quality lenses which counterracts the in-camera IS resulting in paying the same amount in the long run as if you'd have bought a Canon camera and lenses with IS in them.