D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Started Aug 17, 2006 | Discussions
jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
What a relief..

sidamin wrote:

Look at the color chart on the bunny picture and you will see what
I am talking about. I have a lot of Nikon equipment but I am not
blind.

Precisely. Its nice to see that someone dare to state there honest opinion and not just pad each other on the back.

Its alto true though that some of the D80 shoots looks to have more detail on the bear but not so on the cactus. I think the 30D shoots are overall more pleasing.

Jakob

Daniel Oh Contributing Member • Posts: 534
Re: Great comparison...

What a relief...

I was always against pre-ordering but I took a chance because it is still difficult to find a body alone on D200.

Now I can't wait to receive it.

By the way, I try to use neat image and the result was great at ISO 3200 (my kids thought the filtered ISO 1600 was better than ISO 100). I can't get even closer results with neat in my old D100 at ISO 400.
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J Mankila
J Mankila Veteran Member • Posts: 4,234
We're both right, right?!

jagge wrote:

... Apparently its hard being honest hear without being
bashed. I find that odd i must say.

Yes, that's odd

But some relplies now are missing the very strange, and at times
very irretating moderator here has apparently pulled som post here.

They even took out my reply to you regarding the 5fps thing... I didn't use any bad language and neither I was rude towards anyone. :/ The moderator didn't know I had spent twenty minutes of my time (at work, lol) writing that and re-checking my info

But I have to say one thing about the noise! There is very distinct difference in the images from 30D and D80. You must see the Canon high-ISO images lacking in luminance noise - and I see it too. What I see in the Canon shots is noticeable chroma noise - you know, colorful blotches. They don't show up that easily, but looking at 100% they just don't seem right to my eyes. What seems right is the complete lack of chroma noise in the D80 image! True, there is noticeably more luminance noise than in the Canon image, but what's funny is that my eyes don't see that.. The noise looks natural, pleasant, it has the grit and grain that I love about film. And it is very much in the background - not interfering with detail at all.

This was one of the reasons why I got myself a Nikon and not a Canon. Canon digital images don't appeal to me. And I somehow believe you'd be very happy shooting with a Canon - they aren't that bad cameras, anyway ; )

So there we have it! We are both right!

Janne Mankila

boosh71 Regular Member • Posts: 361
Re: D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Is there a link to a d50 review that has these same sample images? I was wondering how the noise compares between it and the d80.

thanks

PhotoArtKC Senior Member • Posts: 1,585
Re: We're both right, right?!

J Mankila wrote:

jagge wrote:

... Apparently its hard being honest hear without being
bashed. I find that odd i must say.

Yes, that's odd

But some relplies now are missing the very strange, and at times
very irretating moderator here has apparently pulled som post here.

They even took out my reply to you regarding the 5fps thing... I
didn't use any bad language and neither I was rude towards anyone.
:/ The moderator didn't know I had spent twenty minutes of my time
(at work, lol) writing that and re-checking my info

But I have to say one thing about the noise! There is very
distinct difference in the images from 30D and D80. You must see
the Canon high-ISO images lacking in luminance noise - and I see it
too. What I see in the Canon shots is noticeable chroma noise - you
know, colorful blotches. They don't show up that easily, but
looking at 100% they just don't seem right to my eyes. What seems
right is the complete lack of chroma noise in the D80 image! True,
there is noticeably more luminance noise than in the Canon image,
but what's funny is that my eyes don't see that.. The noise looks
natural, pleasant, it has the grit and grain that I love about
film. And it is very much in the background - not interfering with
detail at all.

This was one of the reasons why I got myself a Nikon and not a
Canon. Canon digital images don't appeal to me. And I somehow
believe you'd be very happy shooting with a Canon - they aren't
that bad cameras, anyway ; )

So there we have it! We are both right!

Janne Mankila

That pretty much sums up what I said in another thread. The noise from the Nikon looks to me almost like film grain, not a digital shot with chroma noise which to me is distracting. (and harder to fix)

AndreRienstra Regular Member • Posts: 364
Re: The 30D shots look far better...

Yes, I totally agree on that one. Seems like Nikon has another camera which needs pp to make the images more pleasing. No D80 for me thats for sure.

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
Re: We're both right, and the moderator is ruining this forum..

They even took out my reply to you regarding the 5fps thing... I
didn't use any bad language and neither I was rude towards anyone.
:/ The moderator didn't know I had spent twenty minutes of my time
(at work, lol) writing that and re-checking my info

Yes i think it VERY rude, and one reason I am really looking for another forum. This has gone way to far. I think the moderator here is truly ruining this forum.

This was one of the reasons why I got myself a Nikon and not a
Canon. Canon digital images don't appeal to me. And I somehow
believe you'd be very happy shooting with a Canon - they aren't
that bad cameras, anyway ; )

OK i have heard about the difference in noise but never learned what they where. I will look for it now :0).

So there we have it! We are both right!

Guess so, and thank you for a balanced, neutral, polite and informative post. Its so nice when someone WITHOUT that fanatic brand loyalty is on the line. The alternative is so straining :0)

Best wishes

Jakob

J Mankila
J Mankila Veteran Member • Posts: 4,234
Re: We're both right, and the moderator is ruining this forum..

jagge wrote:

This was one of the reasons why I got myself a Nikon and not a
Canon. Canon digital images don't appeal to me. And I somehow
believe you'd be very happy shooting with a Canon - they aren't
that bad cameras, anyway ; )

OK i have heard about the difference in noise but never learned
what they where. I will look for it now :0).

Try this comparison! It has several crops of these test images!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19638271

Canon image certainly looks cleaner.. But somehow I still prefer the Nikon. Can't really explain any better - these things are always about personal observations and likings

Janne Mankila

ThomasH_always Regular Member • Posts: 321
Page Not Found Re: D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

takaJ wrote:

D80 Condition:Pre-production
photo condition:Moe:Program, AF:Single-Area AF Mode/center AF point

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/08/18/4415.htm

takaj/Tokyol

I says "not found!"

sandy b
sandy b Veteran Member • Posts: 9,334
Re: Page Not Found Re: D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

see the link in the second bulleted line on the page not found

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Link should end with 'html', NOT 'htm'. /nt
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Nikon133 Regular Member • Posts: 420
Re: We're both right, and the moderator is ruining this forum..

Try this comparison! It has several crops of these test images!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=19638271

Canon image certainly looks cleaner.. But somehow I still prefer
the Nikon. Can't really explain any better - these things are
always about personal observations and likings

Janne Mankila

It looks very comparable to me up to ISO1600. At ISO3200 Canon seems to have a bit less noise. Then again, (to me) Canon at 3200 - at least looking at those crops - looks softer and with less details. Maybe it's only my monitor/eyes.

Anyway, having 10Mp sensor that compares with Canon's 8Mp sensor @ISO1600 is already an achievement. If Canon would squeeze 10Mp in DX size sensor using same technology as in 30D, I wouldn't expect them to be any better at ISO3200.

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PhotoArtKC Senior Member • Posts: 1,585
Well I ran Neat Image on the ISO 3200....

With some work, I got even better results than you were able to do. Here is my screen capture directly from the program. I also tried a few other noise programs with lesser results. (Noiseware and Noise Ninja) Their was some very minor details lost in the bunny, but nothing that you couldnt fix by using two layers in Photoshop. One with the orig, one with the filtered version and using a layer mask to "paint" those areas back quick and easy.

R Johns wrote:

sandy b wrote:

I disagree. While the 30D shot is "Slightly" cleaner at 1600 and
3200, it does not have as much detail as the D80. It is also shot
at F8. I feel that up to iso 800 the D80 clearly is as good or
better than the 30D. Again, purely my opinion, without seeing the
true test results this is all conjecture. i am glad that both canon
and nikon photagraphers may now have great hi iso cameras

R Johns Senior Member • Posts: 1,849
Very well done...

PhotoArtKC wrote:

With some work, I got even better results than you were able to do.
Here is my screen capture directly from the program. I also tried a
few other noise programs with lesser results. (Noiseware and Noise
Ninja) Their was some very minor details lost in the bunny, but
nothing that you couldnt fix by using two layers in Photoshop. One
with the orig, one with the filtered version and using a layer mask
to "paint" those areas back quick and easy.

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Yet further proof that the D80 has what it takes, to produce a very useable image at ISO3200.

In my illustration, I was trying to match the noise reduction in the 30D's ISO3200 image, in an attempt to show that with the same level of NR, the D80's image actually retains more detail. Your image shows how far one could go (with the D80's image), while maintaining a decent level of detail. Simply amazing, considering we are talking about a Nikon.

Thanks for the illustration...

Russ

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thomas1973 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,477
Looks very promising!

The D80 keeps as much detail as, or more than, the 30D, and the color looks good too.

On the noise, at ISO3200(!) the D80 has more noise, but it's luminance noise. The D30 has more chroma noise. I prefer the look of the D80 image.

At ISO1600, they look about the same to me. For noise, there's a tiny bit more luminance noise from the D80, and a tiny bit more chroma noise from the 30D. Nothing to get upset about, but still, the D80 is more pleasing (to me).

Of course, it would be interesting to see how they perform in real life low-light scenarios.

The D80 looks sharper and more detailed overall (especially at lower ISO's). I wonder what the settings were, and what lenses were used for these two cameras, as I would think the D80 and the 30D would be impossible to differentiate at base ISO.

ArtFedorov, thanks for taking the time to put this comparison together!

Add to this the brighter and larger viewfinder from the D200, and the D80 looks like a winner

Thomas.

BobNan Contributing Member • Posts: 555
Re: 30D vs D80 ISO 100/800/1600/3200 (1/3)

I see a hasty, poorly done test with bias. Bob.

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Re: 30D vs D80 ISO 100/800/1600/3200 (1/3)

BobNan wrote:

I see a hasty, poorly done test with bias. Bob.

Unless it showed the Nikon to be better....then it would be a well done, accurate and definitive test.

LOL.

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