D80 Sample Images at Impress/Japan

Started Aug 17, 2006 | Discussions
ianz28 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,382
looks like Nikon has hit a home-run.

that is quite impressive. There is more detail retained in the D80 images while the noise is basically equal.

And, the ISO 100 shots for the D80 are VERY clean with great detail!

Thanks for the time consuming cropping.

Nikon appears to have hit a home run from what I have seen so far!

looks like it just might be a viable alternative for D70 users looking to upgrade.

More resolution,
better ISO performance,
larger viewfinder
Additional control by means of more buttons including 1 custom button.
Larger LCD with a lot more resolution
RGB histogram

that's a lot of improvements with only a couple of niggles. (MLU and AI/AI-S lens mount are my 2 big wants - but, of course that is D200/D2x territory)
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Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
Excellent comparison,

thanks for taking the time,

no differences at all, both cameras are quite good at high Isos maybe the 30D is slighty better at Iso 3200 but how many shots people usually take at that Iso? I guess just 1 out of 500
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Arturo Fukuda Senior Member • Posts: 1,251
Re: Grow up.

neutral???

you are the only one who see Canon is "much better" in the noise department....to me, both are quite similar at all Isos, maybe 30D is slightly better than D80 at 3200 but how many shots do u often take at this Iso??? None.

GROW UP.

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thw Veteran Member • Posts: 8,089
Re: for all intents and purposes.

sure, 2 vs. 4 channels but it's the new processor and perhaps new
algorithms that handle the noise. Not so much the sensor.

Not so sure about that. Compare D50 vs D70 sensors and look at RAW images at high ISO.

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dirtee1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,918
Re: Excellent comparison,

You guess? No offense but have you been checking the "How Often Do you use High ISO" thread? I would certainly use it 70% of the time if I had the option.

Arturo Fukuda wrote:

thanks for taking the time,
no differences at all, both cameras are quite good at high Isos
maybe the 30D is slighty better at Iso 3200 but how many shots
people usually take at that Iso? I guess just 1 out of 500
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Jola013
Jola013 Senior Member • Posts: 1,847
So : D200 For Speed & D80 For Hi-ISO ?

I am quite impressed with the results of this thread.

My D70 was pretty good at iso 1600, but I have now sold it and have just the D200, which is not as bad at high iso's as people say, but it is really not great over iso 800.

I need a backup camera, so if I get the D80 then I should have the best of both worlds. If I use the right camera for the job, then I should be able to cover pretty much everything with the D200/D80 combo.

D200 : MLU, High speed, etc.

D80 : Travel, High iso, etc.

I also need two cameras to avoid excessive lens changes in dusty environments, also for speed (ie being ready with the right lens). In this scenario the cameras will be interchangeable.

Maybe Nikon can also pull a bit more out of the D200 sensor with a firmware upgrade.

The D80 - SD thing doesn't bother me, at one point I was using a D70/D50 combination - no problem.

David Chin Forum Pro • Posts: 11,670
Jola, I guess you're one of the very few ...

... who don't mind having two sets of cards with different formats, at least, I think so, based on the # of SD-bashing threads

But yeah, going back to what you said, it does seem from the initial set of high-ISO D80 images (vs the initial ones when the D200 was just announced) that Nikon did something with noise reduction - I wonder how?

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Rao Hamid Regular Member • Posts: 240
D200?

I am shocked by what i see! I think the D200 at iso 1600 and 3200 is better than the D80. Is anyone else seeing what i am seeing. By the way, i am not prejudice towards any camera, i have a d70s.

Rao.

Jola013
Jola013 Senior Member • Posts: 1,847
Re: Jola, I guess you're one of the very few ...

David Chin wrote:

... who don't mind having two sets of cards with different formats,
at least, I think so, based on the # of SD-bashing threads

But yeah, going back to what you said, it does seem from the
initial set of high-ISO D80 images (vs the initial ones when the
D200 was just announced) that Nikon did something with noise
reduction - I wonder how?

Hi David

Yes, I have resigned myself to having both SD and CF. Actually, I'm considering selling all my CF cards and using SD in the D200, via my Panasonic adapter. But I will probably keep a few.

As for the D80 noise, hopefully Nikon can implement the same thing in the D200 via a firmware upgrade. But maybe they have tweaked the D80 hardware, we will just have to wait and see.

Jola013
Jola013 Senior Member • Posts: 1,847
Re: D200?

I can only really comment about the D80 once I have one in my hands, but as for the D200, I have one and it is fairly poor over iso 800. Certainly nowhere near as good as my D70, which I have now sold.

Rao Hamid wrote:

I am shocked by what i see! I think the D200 at iso 1600 and 3200
is better than the D80. Is anyone else seeing what i am seeing. By
the way, i am not prejudice towards any camera, i have a d70s.

Rao.

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jeff-c Senior Member • Posts: 2,096
Re: a100 is rated 1/3 lower than standard

Jon_B_Good wrote:

Sorry I should have added again (see other post) that it's
difficult to compare differently exposed images. I actually think
that another factor might be that the D80 is slightly overexposing
the white of the paw, also see the white on the chart too and so of
course highlight clipping loses detail.

Roll on a proper review!!

I also notice the bear placement is different and lighting is also different with different camera tests.

I am giving a100 the benefit of doubt for Sony's claim about keeping details with minimum noise reduction.

Let's see a more well control test like Phil's.

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ovrebekk Veteran Member • Posts: 4,453
Re: Glad I pre-ordered one !

It seems Nikon has realised noise is one of the things they really have to improve to attract more buyers.
If the D80 is as good as it seems my D70 might be in for a replacement.

fotogenetic Senior Member • Posts: 2,958
Can you turn off the NR above ISO 800?

Can you turn it off if you don't like the NR? It looks pretty good but I'm curious what it looks like without NR.
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J Mankila
J Mankila Veteran Member • Posts: 4,234
Re: Actually, if viewed in Nikon View 6.2.7 ...

David Chin wrote:

High ISO NR is turned on (Normal) for both the ISO1600 and ISO3200
shots.

Nevertheless, I have to concur that the result is very impressive!

They truly are impressive results because I don't see any blotchiness in the image, which is the worst thing that can happen.. I'd switch off any NR, anytime.. But seeing these, I just might change my mind

I'd like to see shots taken with a 50mm, a bit farther to increase DOF (the front of the bunny is out of focus on both cameras) and with no NR.
(I happen to like grain...

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PhotoArtKC Senior Member • Posts: 1,585
Nice example...

I was wondering what a good noise filter would do to the higher ISO shots. The D80 shot at 3200 looks very good after a quick noise filter, and with plenty of detail still. Heck, I print shots daily that look many times worse than this for professionals. The only way noise like this would honestly show up is in a very very large print. Even then one would likely run something going out "super-large" through all sorts of PP which would clear up or hide the worst noise.

PhotoArtKC Senior Member • Posts: 1,585
Great comparison...

Nice comparison. I find the "grainy noise" more acceptable at high ISO's on the Nikon D80 examples than the "color noise" on the Canon 30D examples. (Meaning the noise on the D80 looks more like film grain and less like a noisy digital image.) Just in my opinion....

Keith Reeder Veteran Member • Posts: 3,725
Re: Grow up.

Arturo Fukuda wrote:

neutral???
you are the only one who see Canon is "much better" in the noise department...

Oh, he isn't , you know...

jagge Veteran Member • Posts: 4,149
thx.

you are the only one who see Canon is "much better" in the noise department...

Oh, he isn't , you know...

Thank you. Apparently its hard being honest hear without being bashed. I find that odd i must say.

But some relplies now are missing the very strange, and at times very irretating moderator here has apparently pulled som post here.

Kind of rude, and a strange policy.

Best wishes

Jakob

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Re: Laughing is the easy way out.

Of course it's just what you'd expect from an Economist....

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sidamin Regular Member • Posts: 485
I agree.. 30D 3200 looks better than D80 1600

Look at the color chart on the bunny picture and you will see what I am talking about. I have a lot of Nikon equipment but I am not blind.

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